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Silverstone LC20 Mini-Review - not flattering

post #1 of 47
Thread Starter 
Executive Summary: very cheap case with a nice front panel - buyer beware...

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I recently purchased a Silverstone LC20 HTPC case from Newegg, and thought I would share some comments on the case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163065

Previously, I was using an Antec tower case, which worked very well, and was extremely quiet - very close to silent. I needed to move to a desktop case to fit into a rack. My system is:

Nforce3 ATX motherboard (passive northbridge cooler)
X2-4600 processor with Artic Cooling Freezer 64 (very quiet)
AGP7600GS graphics (passive heatsink)
Vbox 150 ATSC tuner
MCE500 dual NTSC tuner
Seasonic S12 power supply (very quiet)
MCE2005

I originally wanted to move to an Antec NSK2400 case, but did not want to build an entirely new system on an mATX motherboard. Also, when I compared the LC20 and NSK2400 side-to-side, they were almost exactly the same footprint. The LC20 is quite a bit taller. I also have 3 harddrives, and the 2400 only supports 2.

NSK2400 here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129014

There are models of the both of these cases with VFD displays, but I didn't want to spend the extra money for the display.


I'm going to start with the "Cons", since I was not very impressed with the LC-20 case.

Cons:
- ALOT of screws, and not a single thumbscrew or latch. I've gotten spoiled by modern Antec cases, which are well-designed with latches and thumbscrews. Alot of the screws (six, actually) are used to secure the drive cages and are located under a flange - they are very difficult to install with a magnetic screwdriver. They would likely be impossible without a magnetic.
- No fans are included with the case. I spent about an extra $40 on four additional fans. Factor this extra cost in before you buy - it was an oversight on my part.
- The VERY bright blue harddrive LED is like a strobe light in darkened room. I still need to do something about this.
- The drive cage is the biggest joke. It supposedly fits up to 6 harddrives. I could barely fit three in there because of interference with the power supply and PCI cards. Words cannot express how badly this drive cage is designed. Silverstone needs to look at the Antec P180 for an example of an easy-to-use drive cage.
- For some reason, the two fan slots for the harddrive coolers are on the drive cage and not mounted directly to the case. It makes the cage longer and bulkier, and the cage is already difficult to handle! That's at least two more wires that have to be routed under the cage, and could potentially get pinched.
- I had to completely disassemble the front of the case (yet more screws!) to reroute the USB and Firewire cables. Either make the cables longer or route them correctly from the factory. The factory routing would not work with 99.9% of motherboards.
- No power supply - factor in another $50-100 for a decent power supply. (and four more screws!)

Pros:
- Very nice looking from the front - it does not look like a PC.
- I like the hinged doors over the drive bays. Nice looking and work good.
- Accepts ATX motherboards (and mATX)
- Good harddrive cooling - two 92mm fans. (but you have to buy the fans separately, and they are mounted to the drive cage, not to the case!)
- Not silent, but surprisingly quiet (I picked the right fans)
- Temperatures with four fans are similar to the Antec case. (two 92mm inlet fans on the harddrives and two 80mm exhaust - all were Antec Tri-cool)
- Made an attempt to isolate harddrive vibration by installing cheap foam pads.
- The power supply cooling is completely isolated from the rest of the components.

Conclusion:
I was very disappointed in this case, and cannot recommend it at the final price. $140 for the case and $40 for fans and $75 for power supply, and you are over $250. At this price, look for other options.

Silverstone did a good job on the front panel design, and then went ultra-cheap on the rest of the case.
post #2 of 47
Thanks for the review, Stan.

The problem with this scenario is that a company like Silverstone risks losing a large chunk of their customer base for the ills caused by a single poorly designed case. Reputations are often based on the worst example, not the best or the average. Remember the Jack-in-the-Box e-coli problem, or the Exxon Valdez, or Bill Buckner, or ...?

For me specifically, I will now be less inclined to buy a Silverstone case, even if I am looking at a model with good reviews. I would hope that rational thought would prevail over emotion, but the brain doesn't always work the way we want it to.


Cheers,
Bill
post #3 of 47
Glad I read this post, I was about ready to buy a Silverstone case.

They do look beautiful from the front but now I have to look for other options..
post #4 of 47
Not to rub salt in your wounds, but I've come to the conclusion that in a rack, use a rackmount

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811128019

looks beefy and manly, too

Also reminds me of audiophile grade amps and processors.

4x 5.25" bays accessible externally behind the grill doors, washable air filters, and 120mm and 80mm fans for cooling included. Does it right by maintaining positive case pressure with bigger inlet fan vs exhaust. And no annoying bright lights.
post #5 of 47
I use a Silverstone LC17, LC04, and an Antec NSX2400. The LC17 is a much better case than the LC20 IMO. The LC17 includes 2 rear fans in it's price and I think the HDD cage is fine.

Silverstone LC17

I personally like the screws and don't need thumbscrews. I also like the top cover on the LC17, it slides back quite nicely.

The LC04 is all aluminum and small, perfect for an htpc linux client with diskless netbooting.

I'm also just starting the build on the Antec NSX2400, but really don't like the cheap plastic front, but may try to paint it black.

It seems many people I know like many of Silverstone's cases. Cases with PSU included typically aren't as good as the Seasonic PSUs.
post #6 of 47
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Originally Posted by BruceD View Post

I use a Silverstone LC17, LC04, and an Antec NSX2400. The LC17 is a much better case than the LC20 IMO. The LC17 includes 2 rear fans in it's price and I think the HDD cage is fine.

Silverstone LC17

I personally like the screws and don't need thumbscrews. I also like the top cover on the LC17, it slides back quite nicely.
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According to this review

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_rev...reviews_id/226

the LC17 can accomodate fans for the two 3.5" hard drive cages.

How and where are these fans mounted? Behind the bezel in front of the cages or behind the cages towards the center of the case?

Also, how are the optical drive tray faceplates handled? Do you remove the tray faceplates on your drives, or do the LC17 faceplates attach to the optical drive trays with adhesive, mounting tape, etc?
post #7 of 47
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Originally Posted by Rgb View Post

According to this review

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_rev...reviews_id/226

the LC17 can accomodate fans for the two 3.5" hard drive cages.

How and where are these fans mounted? Behind the bezel in front of the cages or behind the cages towards the center of the case?

Also, how are the optical drive tray faceplates handled? Do you remove the tray faceplates on your drives, or do the LC17 faceplates attach to the optical drive trays with adhesive, mounting tape, etc?

The front part of the case has 92mm punch-outs for fans. The fans fit inside the drive cage.

Here is the install manual as a jpeg LC17 manual

yep, double sided tape for the aluminum drive covers that fit over the current tray front cover.
post #8 of 47
at lot of your "cons" are my "pros". Lack of power supply and fans are big thumbs up for me. Almost all "free fans" that come with a case are junk. Few are decent, but not nearly as good as the ones I prefer. Power supply as well.
post #9 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by StanF View Post

Executive Summary: very cheap case with a nice front panel - buyer beware...

- The VERY bright blue harddrive LED is like a strobe light in darkened room. I still need to do something about this.
- I had to completely disassemble the front of the case (yet more screws!) to reroute the USB and Firewire cables. Either make the cables longer or route them correctly from the factory. The factory routing would not work with 99.9% of motherboards.

CON
- The LED is frigging unbelievable. I should post a picture showing the led casting a blue light on a wall from 12' away!
- I had to dis-assemble the front panel and route the cables through the fan punchout.
- The case hums from my nexus 80mm rear fan fighting with the arctic cooler pro cpu fan. This is probably my fault and requires some experimentation.

PRO
Seasonic power supply, purchased separately, has its own air intake on the side of the case and also exhausts warm air directly outside the case.

Rick
post #10 of 47
I been waiting for RMA of my LC20m for over a month and when I got it back...they didnt return any of the accessories like the remote , CD and mounting hardware. I originally got the case for a customer who decided not to take it and didnt install a system for a month. After config the system then just to find the VFD/remote diodnt work...so RMA'd. So over 2 months since I bought the case and I am still without a working one. Over all the quality is like the OP posted ...diappointing. I been using a lot of the LC03's and they been great. Just wanted to see if Silverstone has improved so I order a LC20 for a customer who ended up taking a LC03m instead.

EDIT: most of the HTPC cases now used the super bright blue led for system on. I'd dont connect the led leads since the HD activity led is often good enuf for most people...they dont need a frigging LED laser in a HT environment...
post #11 of 47
Hi Stan!
I just got a new lc20,a nd it seems like they've updated the drive cage to a much cooler vertical drive cage. it's padded, and you only lose 1 drive (so there's space for 5) if you have a long video card.
I'm posting pictures from my build as I go along here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=735070

I think if you caontact silverstone, you could probably get the new drive cage
cheers!
-josh
post #12 of 47
Thread Starter 
This is the OP...I've also got the card cage with the foam pads. Sorry, but the LC20 drive cage really sucks. It didn't have to suck, but Silverstone messed up.

Look at the design of the Antec NSK2400.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129014
The top of the cage simply lifts off to gain access to individual harddrives. There are not any screws on the bottom because of the pins that Antec used. Simple and easy to use. Silverstone could have done something similar, but rotated 90 deg to keep the harddrives in the same orientation.

To change one drive in the Silverstone, you have to remove three screws for the crossbar and then remove four more screws that are difficult to reach under the flange. Then to remove the cage, you have to completely disconnect ALL harddrive data and power connectors and disconnect the two fan power cables. With three hard drives in the cage, that is 7 screws and 8 cables.

The cage is extra difficult to remove/install because of power supply interference, long PCI cards, northbridge and/or graphics card cooler and especially because of the extra cage length because of the two fans. The fans should be mounted to the case, NOT to the harddrive cage.

I will say that the LC20 is probably "okay" if you use a mATX motherboard with only one hardrive. However, if that is all you need, save $150 and buy the NSK2400 for only $95! :-)

The LC20 is an expensive case, and I expect more from an expensive case.
post #13 of 47
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Originally Posted by StanF View Post

This is the OP...I've also got the card cage with the foam pads. Sorry, but the LC20 drive cage really sucks. It didn't have to suck, but Silverstone messed up.

The crappy hard drive cage certainly has caused your consternation I have two hard drives in the cage and they fit quite nicely. I appreciate the rubber dampening. Three drives would be tight. More than three would require an unnatural act.

The rest of your drive cage comments are fair. This is not enough of an issue to cause me to buy an inferior mATX Duo motherboard to squeeze into an even smaller case.

The LC20M is short and allows a full ATX board so space is a little cramped in front. meh.

I bought an original Antec Overture. Now that case was a pile of crap. It was simply not capable of expelling heat. Period. The LC20M is fine once you have your system assembled.

Rick
post #14 of 47
HI, everyone
I'm building an htpc and I have a couple of questions
SILVERSTONE LC20M

MB. P5W DH DELUXE

PROCESSOR INTEL CORE 2 DUO 6400 oR 6600

MEMMORY 2GB DDR-2 667
H.D WD 2X250GB 16 MB SATA-2, WD ATA 133 300GB sEAGATE, 200GB MAXTOR ATA 133 (the last two are full of videos and music, e.t.c.)

dvd-rw nec ad 5170 dl or Plextor 755A + asus cdrw 2224 (existent)

POWER SUPPLY BEQUITE P6 530W

TV TUNER CARD HYBRID AVERMEDIA or LEADTEK WINFAST DVR2000H

DVB-S CARD TERRATEC CINERGY 1200 DVB-S, OR SKYSTAR 2 PCI

INTERNAL 3.5" CARD READER

GRAPHICS CARD ? EITHER Sapphire, HIS, GeCUBE X1900GT OR sth with an HDMI interface
suggestions are most appreciated

EXTRA FANS (HOW MANY?) A computer shop specialist???? (assembling HTPC'S only) in Athens told me that one at the rear and another one at the front are more than enough

REGARDING cpu COOLING IS THERE ANY NEED TO USE sth else instead of Intel's original one and why?

Finally, if I don't buy the version with the VFD, how am I supposed to remotely control the machine?
B.T.W., I do own a Philips Pronto Pro tsu 7000 programmable remote bought by B&H photo video in N.Y.C.

ANDREAS
post #15 of 47
I just got an LC20 and got the one with the horizontal-mount drive cages. In the one on the side I can see no problem at all mounting 3 hard drives, but the middle one is blocked by a too long graphics card (X1900 GT). I would also easily be able to mount a hard drive in the vacant 5 1/4" slot and also probably one in the external 3,5" slot, so that makes it room for 5 HDDs. Couldn't find any other case in that price category with good looks that came even close to that.

I agree with the screw-problem, they could at least have included thumbscrews for the top cover. And made the disk cage screws a little more accessible or used latches or something. And what IDIOT is responsible for the moronic cable routing?? Seems like a short-time intern at Silverstone pulled a practical joke on them...

Anyway, this case is a bitch from hell to assemble, but doable for those who have a lot of patience and just put together a system once and don't switch or add components very often.

My system is:

Silverstone LC 20 w/one 13-21 dB fan with speed control
Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Core 2 Duo E6300
Zalman Reserator 1 Plus watercooling
2 Seagate 320 GB SATA II drives and 1 Samsung 250 GB IDE
NEC 5170 DVD-burner
ATI Radeon X1900 GT
MIST 600 W power supply w/detatchable cables
HP IPAQ rx3715 PDA to control it all
post #16 of 47
I just did a build with an LC-17, which is basically the same case as the LC-20 but with a different front panel. All the same complaints apply as with the LC-20, too. Aside from the front panel this case just isn't very nice. Cable routing is a pain, space is cramped, and the blue LED's are way too bright. As others have mentioned there are way too many screws to mess with as well. My case came with the horizontal hard drive brackets, but I only have one hard drive in the box (media server is a tower back in the office). Even so it was a tight squeeze because all the cables are coming out of the power supply right there.

If I had it to do over again I'd still probably get the same case just because I couldn't find anything else that was black, reasonably attractive, and could accept a full ATX power supply and motherboard without costing a fortune. But I really hope in the future they put a little more effort into the details that make a case more build-friendly. I guess I've just gotten used to the Antec cases I use for my mid-tower PC's, which are extremely well thought out and have lots of nice little touches that make building your system easy.
post #17 of 47
Thread Starter 
This is the original poster...I replaced the power supply that I used during the build and got a little more room for the hard drives. I hated to spend the extra money, but I put the other power supply to good use.

Previously, I had a Seasonic S12 power supply. The Seasonic is great, but it doesn't work well with this case. The main problem is that the cables exit the top of the power supply when it is mounted in the LC-20. This causes interference with at least two of the harddrive slots.

I went with an Enermax Liberty power supply with the modular cables. The main bundle of cables comes out at the bottom of the power supply when mounted in the LC-20, and there is not an interference problem at all. Sorry, but I don't have any pictures of this.

In conclusion, if you are considering the LC-20, I don't recommend the Seasonic S12.

I still haven't done anything about that freaking blue LED. That's next on my hit list...
post #18 of 47
Stan I agree, I'm also using the Seasonic S12 and had a hard time getting a single hard drive in there. I made it work but I don't think it would be possible to get more than one drive in.

Another issue I had is that the main power connector on the motherboard is right under the 5.25 drive bay, which means I have to disconnect the power cable in order to take the 5.25 drive bay in/out when installing optical drives.
post #19 of 47
Quote:


- No fans are included with the case. I spent about an extra $40 on four additional fans. Factor this extra cost in before you buy - it was an oversight on my part.

THt's strange, because the LC-17 comes with the two back exaust fans, despite costing the same or less (regular price of LC-20 is a bit higher but it seems to be "on special" right now). Somethign to consider for those who maybe be purchasing one or the other of these cases.

I just added a single 92mm intake fan for the hard drive cage I'm using and the system seems to be running fine temperature wise.
post #20 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by StanF View Post

Cons:
- ALOT of screws, and not a single thumbscrew or latch. I've gotten spoiled by modern Antec cases, which are well-designed with latches and thumbscrews. Alot of the screws (six, actually) are used to secure the drive cages and are located under a flange - they are very difficult to install with a magnetic screwdriver. They would likely be impossible without a magnetic.

Personally, I don't mind screws at all and probably prefer them over thumbscrews - it's usually easier to tighten them to prevent rattles, etc. This is clearly a simple matter of personal preference.

Quote:


- No fans are included with the case. I spent about an extra $40 on four additional fans. Factor this extra cost in before you buy - it was an oversight on my part.

My preference is to choose my own fans rather than some cheapo fan that the manufacturer threw in, so I see this as a plus.

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- The VERY bright blue harddrive LED is like a strobe light in darkened room. I still need to do something about this.

I certainly can't argue this one and this is unfortunately too common . This is pretty easy to solve though by adding an inline resistor.

Quote:


- The drive cage is the biggest joke. It supposedly fits up to 6 harddrives.

I've been seeing mixed reports that newer versions of this case come with the newer cage used in the CW01, which mounts the drives vertically and sounds like it would pretty much address your complaint here. I'm curious though if what I've heard about the newer style drive cage is true and have sent an email to Silverstone to ask.

Quote:


- For some reason, the two fan slots for the harddrive coolers are on the drive cage and not mounted directly to the case. It makes the cage longer and bulkier, and the cage is already difficult to handle! That's at least two more wires that have to be routed under the cage, and could potentially get pinched.

This would be a problem if I were planning to make constant changes to the system, but otherwise not a big deal.

Quote:


- I had to completely disassemble the front of the case (yet more screws!) to reroute the USB and Firewire cables. Either make the cables longer or route them correctly from the factory. The factory routing would not work with 99.9% of motherboards.

Good point, but sounds like it's not a big con given that it can be resolved (more a matter of it should have been done right at the factory).

Quote:


- No power supply - factor in another $50-100 for a decent power supply. (and four more screws!)

Again, I see this as a plus so I can choose my power supply and not have a piece of junk sitting in my scrap pile.

Quote:


Conclusion:
I was very disappointed in this case, and cannot recommend it at the final price. $140 for the case and $40 for fans and $75 for power supply, and you are over $250. At this price, look for other options.

Silverstone did a good job on the front panel design, and then went ultra-cheap on the rest of the case.

I guess I'm confused by your conclusion. Perhaps you were lead to believe that the fans and power supply would be included, but I haven't seen anything posted anywhere that would make me assume that. But compared to other comparable cases, I think the price is pretty reasonable - comparing the cost to a case that doesn't have the fancy HTPC look isn't really a fair comparison.

What I'm curious about with this case is whether the drive cages interfere with mounting the cards I will need to install - accessDTV and Holo3D V2 are the possible problem cards, both of which are pretty long cards (they both extend pretty much the full depth of a full size ATX motherrboard.

My current case is a Digitalis Vision II, which I'm planning to give to my dad to get him started, but only if I can find a suitable replacement for it (which means something at least as good, preferably better).

In addition to space for the potentially problematic expansion cards, I need at a minimum 1 external 5.25" pay (for the DVD drive), 1 hard drive bay, support for a full size ATX motherboard, and room for a full size ATX power supply. For ventilation, bigger fans are better - 80mm minimum all around. Support for a remote sensor and VFD display are nice, but not mandatory.

Any suggestions that fit the bill would be appreciated. I've ruled out the Lian Li and Zalman options as it doesn't look like any of them give enough clearance for the long PCI cards I have. There are definitely lots of choices out there, but it's tough to narrow it down to a few options to pick from.
post #21 of 47
Well I got the 2nd one from RMA...newer HD cage so its a new case. The VFD still dont work. Tried multiple versions of the iMon sw and even tried the sw I got for the Thermaltake Media Lab iMon unit and no go. This build is becoming a nightmare. First the mobo I was going to be used had to be RMA since it was killing mem, and RMA mem also and the LC20 VFD not working. Never had such bad karma as in this build. But the LC20m is still the outstanding issue. Two cases and both VFD doesnt work. I mean its no rocket science to install these things. The wiring for the remote on/off is as complicated as it gets, the VFD is power via the USB and I tried both the internal USB pins and the backplate USB ports and no go. It seems the iMon IR receiver is not working also since the iMon circle is yellow and not green. Went on the iMon forums and read some FAQs and then tried 3 different PSU also and still no go . Maybe a 2rd RMA unit...3rd times the charm.

As far as the new HD cage. I prefered the older two seperate HD cages instead. With those I can leave one out and have room for long cards but with the new long single cage thats not possible.
post #22 of 47
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

Well I got the 2nd one from RMA...newer HD cage so its a new case. The VFD still dont work. Tried multiple versions of the iMon sw and even tried the sw I got for the Thermaltake Media Lab iMon unit and no go. This build is becoming a nightmare. First the mobo I was going to be used had to be RMA since it was killing mem, and RMA mem also and the LC20 VFD not working. Never had such bad karma as in this build. But the LC20m is still the outstanding issue. Two cases and both VFD doesnt work. I mean its no rocket science to install these things. The wiring for the remote on/off is as complicated as it gets, the VFD is power via the USB and I tried both the internal USB pins and the backplate USB ports and no go. It seems the iMon IR receiver is not working also since the iMon circle is yellow and not green. Went on the iMon forums and read some FAQs and then tried 3 different PSU also and still no go . Maybe a 2rd RMA unit...3rd times the charm.

As far as the new HD cage. I prefered the older two seperate HD cages instead. With those I can leave one out and have room for long cards but with the new long single cage thats not possible.

Sorry to hear you're having so many problems getting this system going - I've been through similar and it gets to be really frustrating. Your feedback on the new cage design is interesting as I've seen pretty much everyone else feel it's an improvement over the old design.
post #23 of 47
Well it looks like I will not be getting a 3rd case. The Canadaian distributor says they are not carring the LC20M anymore so they will credit the store and I will get a refund. I thinik its just all BS , the distributor prob dont want to send another unit since they prob figure I am screwing the case up. Well at least I am getting a full refund. But I wasted 3 months and monies invested in the case that I couldnt deliver to a customer. Nothig vs Silerstone, but prob the Canadian distributor is full of crap .
post #24 of 47
I just picked up the LC-20M, replacing an LC-17. This came with the padded drive box and plastic film insulating the VFD board.

I squeezed all this crap in there, why can't anyone else?
Opteron 165 at 2.25 GHz, with Zalman 9500
Asus A8N32-SLI
Seasonic S-12 500 with custom wiring
Albatron 7800GT at 475MHz, with AC nvsilencer
2 Seagate 160GB single platter
Plextor PX-712 (at 190 mm, 20 mm longer than most drives)
Rosewill 4+1 USB card
2 80mm Nexus fans, soft mounted
90 mm Nexus will be going into the Zalman soon

My obsevations:

The Bomb:
18" wide, but still accepts full ATX mobo and PS, full size vid cards, big CPU cooler and multiple drives.

Front is more attractive, and functional. The 5 1/4" bays are fully usable, unlike LC-17. Front panel jacks don't use the 3 1/2 bay, leaving it open for more stuff.

Decent airflow has been improved upon. Front vents are only on the left side now, so all airflow entering from the front will pass through the drives.

Padded drive box makes a big improvement in noise. This rounds out a pretty quiet box.

Its teh sexxy!

The Bum:
Cramped like a deep sea diver. The drive box makes things a little trickier than the LC-17's 2 drive cages. Mobo layout is a major factor here. Longer than average optical drives may interfere with big CPU coolers.

Use of a full size card still eliminates 3 of the 6 HD mounting locations. On the other hand, the HD box allows more flexibility with even 2 big vid cards installed.

The USB cord on the VFD has an external plug, with an internal adapter. It should be the other way 'round. Silverstone should provide a notched PCI blank to neatly pass the USB out the back if desired.

The reset button is safe, too safe. Keep it in the same location, but make it nice like the power button.

There should be a thin pad under the PS to soak up some vibration.

Silverstone should remove the front 90 mm knock-outs in the factory.

Tidy wiring is A MUST.

Et Cetera
An optical drive with an SATA connection is definately preferred, but hard to come by. I couldn't get the crappy Rosewill adapter to work, so I went back to my custom-cut ribbon snaking origami-style around the case and under the motherboard.

With the S-12, if you mount it with the fan facing the vent the wires will be on the bottom of the case.

I would have liked the USB wires to be a little longer, but it didn't stop me from using them.

Don't bother with the front 90 mm fans. Honestly, how many fans do you want/need in a box? 6 or 8 fans is not quiet, lol.

A CPU cooler should be installed to go WITH the airflow created by the rear 80's, not against them.

I don't care for power or HD lights on a PC. I know it's on, because I'm using it. If the light is insulant, unplug the scoundrel and be done with it.

Phillips head screws are good. Needle nose pliers are good, too.

Silverstone continues to improve the Lascala platform. This is not a case for rookies, but greater effort is rewarded with greater results.
post #25 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by pettakos View Post

HI, everyone
I'm building an htpc and I have a couple of questions
SILVERSTONE LC20M

MB. P5W DH DELUXE

PROCESSOR INTEL CORE 2 DUO 6400 oR 6600

MEMMORY 2GB DDR-2 667
H.D WD 2X250GB 16 MB SATA-2, WD ATA 133 300GB sEAGATE, 200GB MAXTOR ATA 133 (the last two are full of videos and music, e.t.c.)

dvd-rw nec ad 5170 dl or Plextor 755A + asus cdrw 2224 (existent)

POWER SUPPLY BEQUITE P6 530W

TV TUNER CARD HYBRID AVERMEDIA or LEADTEK WINFAST DVR2000H

DVB-S CARD TERRATEC CINERGY 1200 DVB-S, OR SKYSTAR 2 PCI

INTERNAL 3.5" CARD READER

GRAPHICS CARD ? EITHER Sapphire, HIS, GeCUBE X1900GT OR sth with an HDMI interface
suggestions are most appreciated

EXTRA FANS (HOW MANY?) A computer shop specialist???? (assembling HTPC'S only) in Athens told me that one at the rear and another one at the front are more than enough

REGARDING cpu COOLING IS THERE ANY NEED TO USE sth else instead of Intel's original one and why?

Finally, if I don't buy the version with the VFD, how am I supposed to remotely control the machine?
B.T.W., I do own a Philips Pronto Pro tsu 7000 programmable remote bought by B&H photo video in N.Y.C.

ANDREAS

Honestly, I don't think you can fit 5 hard drives and 2 optical drives (half with IDE)
and a decent video card. Why bother with 2 optical anyway?

Seasonic has excellent power supplies: strong, quiet, efficient and reliable.

There is an ideal place for a card reader under the 5 1/4" bays.

You would need 2 80 mm fans to go with this box.

I don't expect there to be a problem with the stock Intel cooler. Core2Duo chips aren't hot, the stock cooler is good, and the box gives it fresh air.

The multimedia version (LC-20M) comes with iMon software, receiver/display and a remote. You can program any decent remote to work with it.

yassou
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Any more input on the LC-20? Or alternatives?

Close to pulling trigger here.
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EXTRA FANS (HOW MANY?) A computer shop specialist???? (assembling HTPC'S only) in Athens told me that one at the rear and another one at the front are more than enough

REGARDING cpu COOLING IS THERE ANY NEED TO USE sth else instead of Intel's original one and why?

Finally, if I don't buy the version with the VFD, how am I supposed to remotely control the machine?
B.T.W., I do own a Philips Pronto Pro tsu 7000 programmable remote bought by B&H photo video in N.Y.C.

ANDREAS

I put 2 Antec 92mm up front and 3 antec 80mm in the back for fans. Get the 3 speed ones... they are whisper quiet at L and, in my case, Medium you can hardly hear.

What OS are you going to use... that will help determine how you will remote control it. I use MCE05 and I use the one that came with the remote.

I have the Core2 6600 on stock cooling (stock speeds as well) and it runs cool and quiet (those 3 80mm fans RIGHT next to it help). No worries there.
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Any more input on the LC-20? Or alternatives?

Close to pulling trigger here.


I just picked up the LC20B-M (the one with the built in display) and I LOVE it. GREAT cooling. I liked the fact that it didnt come with fans or PS... that way I could get what I wanted without paying for low end stuff.

I had the Silverstone LC13 before the 20 and liked it as well. This is, IMHO, is one of the coolest (temp-wise) and best looking HTPC cases on the market today.
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I just picked up the LC20B-M (the one with the built in display) and I LOVE it. GREAT cooling. I liked the fact that it didnt come with fans or PS... that way I could get what I wanted without paying for low end stuff.

I had the Silverstone LC13 before the 20 and liked it as well. This is, IMHO, is one of the coolest (temp-wise) and best looking HTPC cases on the market today.


I heard the Seasonic power supplies don't work all that well with this due to the layout. Also, what Vid card you got in there? I'm considering XFX 7950GT passive.

Thanks!
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I heard the Seasonic power supplies don't work all that well with this due to the layout. Also, what Vid card you got in there? I'm considering XFX 7950GT passive.

Thanks!


I just picked up the XFX 7950GT HE9. Idle 56C, load 70C. Interestingly, the specs say GPU 570 MHz, Mem 1.46 GHz but it defaults to GPU 581 MHz, Mem 1.49 GHz. I did have a few GPU slowdowns, and then system resets, when cranking the vid card to way-too-high levels (650+ MHz!)

Power wiring in this box is an issue no matter what PS you use. The best way out is a modular PS. If I were to buy it again, my choice would be the updated, modular Seasonics.
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