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post #61 of 788
Can anyone help me out with some settings?

I have the AVR in a bedroom right now (roughly 10'x12'). I did the auto adjust with the mic but didn't like the changes. I set it back to default settings but find I get too much bass. I am using a SVS PB10 with this receiver.

I was watching "Star Trek: Voyager" last night on DVD, and the background hum of the engines in the show which usually go unnoticed were totally shaking the windows. It was out of balance with the rest of the audio. Likewise anytime a ship did a flyby. I like bass but this just seemed to be overpowering and not right.

Also, is there a setting for auto detect? On my old cheap Sony instead of switching through all the DSP modes it had an auto detect, and would choose the best sound for your settings. This did pretty well for me. Does the 5960 have something similar? I don't want to have to keep changing the settings for every movie I watch.
post #62 of 788
Hey all,

I am trying to get the OSD working from my 5960 to my (I know, don't laugh) Mitsubishi 27" tube TV. The manual says to have the component selector set to AMP and then press the DISPLAY button on the remote repeatedly to cycle through the OSD modes. When I do this I only see the last setting: Display Off. Pressing the button repeatedly does not toggle or cycle the setting.

Per the instructions I also have Video Conv. set to on. The TV is on with static showing on it. My TV is connected to a Direct TV cable box. I've tried turning it on as well to see if the menu will show, but to no avail.

Anyone have any idea how to get the OSD to show???

Thanks in advance.
post #63 of 788
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Originally Posted by krmkarlm View Post

Hey all,

I am trying to get the OSD working from my 5960 to my (I know, don't laugh) Mitsubishi 27" tube TV. The manual says to have the component selector set to AMP and then press the DISPLAY button on the remote repeatedly to cycle through the OSD modes. When I do this I only see the last setting: Display Off. Pressing the button repeatedly does not toggle or cycle the setting.

Per the instructions I also have Video Conv. set to on. The TV is on with static showing on it. My TV is connected to a Direct TV cable box. I've tried turning it on as well to see if the menu will show, but to no avail.

Anyone have any idea how to get the OSD to show???

Thanks in advance.

This may be a really dumb question, but are you routing video through the receiver? (You say the TV is connected to a direct TV cable box -- but presumably the video passes through the receiver, yes)?
post #64 of 788
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Originally Posted by tigerkn View Post

Hello guys,

Have anyone here use the 659 to run 5.1 Rocket rs850, rs200, rs300 + Sub?

I could pick up the 659 with a killer deal and thinking of add on a 2 channels Amp later.

Would Yamaha run well with Rocket?
Thanks guys,
Kev

once more bumpieeeeeeeee
post #65 of 788
I'm going to be getting this receiver, but, if as some have said, it tends to be "bright", what speakers would be a good match? My speaker budget is $500-550. I was considering polk rm 6800, hsu ventriloquist vt-12, or infinity tss 750 systems. Any thoughts on those?
post #66 of 788
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

This may be a really dumb question, but are you routing video through the receiver? (You say the TV is connected to a direct TV cable box -- but presumably the video passes through the receiver, yes)?


Uh...the question is not dumb. It got me thinking about my connections. The CBTV box video signal does not route through the amp. But the DVD video signal does and so when i put the input selector on DVD I can see the on screen display!! Thanks for the question!
post #67 of 788
I've had the HTR-5960 for a bit more than a week now. I am very pleased. I have been using it primarily for movies / SD and HD TV programs, but also spent a bit of time with music via DVD-A and CD. My speaker set-up, severely constrained by room limitations and WAF, is just the Athena Micra in a 6.1 configuration, so not exactly full range, high-end performers , but sufficient for most of our use. The room is roughly 15 x 15 with one wall completely open to a dining room.

The 5960 replaced a Panasonic XR-55 in the same set-up. I enjoyed the XR-55, but, whether the model itself or some problem with my specific unit, I couldn't drive sufficient volume levels in some instances - particularly with some specific broadcast movie channels whose broadcast volume is always much lower than other channels (i.e., same volume setting generates quite different perceived volumes from different channels). My XR-55 was going into overload protection mode at volume levels that simply weren't sufficient for some circumstances (this was true even in movie scenes comprising mostly dialogue - i.e., without huge dynamic range spikes). I hoped the 5960 could correct this for us in our circumstance, and thankfully, it does so in spades. I do miss the smaller profile of the XR-55, but it's certainly a trade-off I'm happy to take .

Pros:

· Power. Addresses an issue that we had and can reach and sustain volume levels without distortion above any we will regularly use.
· Sound Field Programs: I'm having a lot of fun playing with Yamaha's various DSP options. With the XR-55, I pretty much just used various Dolby / DTS decoders and didn't ever use any of the proprietary sound field options, but I have been using Yamaha's built-in sound fields for some content and enjoying them.
· YPAO set-up. I know this is reported to have its problems and quirks, but I actually was pretty pleased with the calibration it offered up (with the little Micra satellites, it didn't choose to set my mains as large as I have seen others report). I haven't calibrated with an SPL, but, for example, checked the distances setting to see how close it compared to actuals and it was very close. I'm pleased with the output results of the various EQ and speaker level settings, but based solely on general listening.
· OSD. Helpful in set-up and configuration, though probably won't get much regular use.

Cons:

· I wish the extended surround setting, useful with 5-channel sources, would be retained after the unit is turned off. I generally use Dolby EX / DTS ES to matrix a 5.1-channel input source into 6.1 output. The extended surround function resets to Auto if the unit is set to standby, and the unit won't automatically convert 5.1 inputs into 6.1 without changing Auto to EX/ES. (2-channel sources retain the setting to matrix to 6.1 channel).
· Flashy promotional stickers on front of unit that I worry will damage finish if I remove (waiting to hear from Yamaha on this).
· Tuning. I listen to a few FM stations every so often, and for the most part use the digital signals from my cable provider for local stations. But, where reception isn't an issue, I'd be happy to use the receiver alone rather than the cable box and TV (which I then turn off since my Harmony universal remote automatically powers it on when watching TV). Using the remote (or a universal remote) to tune stations is cumbersome since they have to be preset (and you have to remember the presets) - I would've liked a direct tune feature available from the remote.

We don't use (or intend to use) XM radio, so I could have done without. We don't use iPods for home listening and I prefer to use CDs or the occasional DVD-A when choosing to listen, but I anticipate that when the kids get a bit older, the iPod dock may come in handy. HDMI would be a nice to have for us - I use component through the unit from my HD STB (though it has HDMI out) and use my display's one HDMI input for direct connection to our DVD player. If and when we get a game console or something similar that has HDMI outs, I may look into a HDMI switch, but obviously the lack of HDMI on this receiver was not something that concerned me.

I know there is a wide range of opinion on brightness of various components, varied as they may be, and that Athena is often described as being bright, and Yamaha has also occasionally been described as being bright. Either I'm personally not sensitive to it, or its not an issue - I wouldn't describe my system as harsh or fatigue-inducing at all.

So overall, it suits our needs very well, we've eliminated a source of irritation from our previous receiver, and also added some additional features that are useful but not gotta have it sorts of things. Very pleased, and would recommend this receiver to anyone for whom it's stated features make a good fit.
post #68 of 788
Question for 659/6950 owners

If all video is running through the receiver and I want to listen to FM while watching a tv brodcast at the same time can this be done or will it cut the video when switched to FM?

The Onkyo that I'm trying to decide between will do this and it's something I want so I can watch one football game while listening to another.
post #69 of 788
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Originally Posted by Jakeman02 View Post

Question for 659/6950 owners

If all video is running through the receiver and I want to listen to FM while watching a tv brodcast at the same time can this be done or will it cut the video when switched to FM?

The Onkyo that I'm trying to decide between will do this and it's something I want so I can watch one football game while listening to another.

I just switched my 5960 to its tuner while watching a movie on TNT-HD (cable box routed through AVR) -- video remains and audio goes to radio. Page 47 of the 5960 manual confirms that you can select a video source (DVD, DTV, V-Aux, DVR, or VCR) and then select an audio source (CD, CD-R, XM, or Tuner) and keep video while switching audio.
post #70 of 788
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

I just switched my 5960 to its tuner while watching a movie on TNT-HD (cable box routed through AVR) -- video remains and audio goes to radio. Page 47 of the 5960 manual confirms that you can select a video source (DVD, DTV, V-Aux, DVR, or VCR) and then select an audio source (CD, CD-R, XM, or Tuner) and keep video while switching audio.

Thanks for the info, I read the owners manual, missed it somehow. Well back to the drawing board, lol.

PS I meant 5960 in my original post, you probably knew that though, typo whoops.
post #71 of 788
Catt99

"· Flashy promotional stickers on front of unit that I worry will damage finish if I remove (waiting to hear from Yamaha on this)."


I removed them on my 5960 with no problem. Came off easily and left no residue.


Bob
post #72 of 788
Hello,

This unit looks quite interesting to me, and I've read some great reviews. I have a couple questions I'm hoping someone with one of these can answer.

Are the inputs 'namable'? By this I mean instead of DVD1, DVD2, etc...... can I call them stuff like PS2, or MythTV, etc.?

I see it has Zone 2, (and even Zone 3, correct?) Do these have 'line out' RCA jacks on the back? If so, is it always the main audio source that is sent to them, or can one source route to one zone, and another source to another?

Basically, I have some wireless Sennheiser headphones that I'd like to connect to one of the zones, and they want line-level in. If I just get the primary source over them... I'll be happy. If I could route one of the other sources to them... I'd be thrilled! Then someone could watch a movie through the main speakers, and another could be off with the headphones listening to a CD.

Oh.... also, does anyone know how the warranty and 'authorized dealer' stuff works? If I buy the unit on-line, and don't know for sure the seller is 'authorized', then if the unit breaks, Yamaha just goes.... 'sorry'?

Thanks,

-Steve
post #73 of 788
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Originally Posted by SteveW928 View Post

Hello,

Are the inputs 'namable'? By this I mean instead of DVD1, DVD2, etc...... can I call them stuff like PS2, or MythTV, etc.?

Yes they are... on page 93 of the manual: http://www.yamaha.ca/av/Receivers/Manuals/RXV659.jsp

Quote:


Input rename C)INPUT RENAME
Use this feature to change the name of the input source
that appears in the OSD and in the front panel display.

Check for Zone 2 stuff on page 104

This I found by reading the manual, take a peak and you might find what your looking for regarding the other stuff.
post #74 of 788
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Originally Posted by DrPainMD View Post

This I found by reading the manual, take a peak and you might find what your looking for regarding the other stuff.

Yes, thanks for that link! It appears it will do both things I was asking about. Very nice.

-Steve
post #75 of 788
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

Catt99

"· Flashy promotional stickers on front of unit that I worry will damage finish if I remove (waiting to hear from Yamaha on this)."


I removed them on my 5960 with no problem. Came off easily and left no residue.


Bob

Thx. I was worried since if it didn't come off cleanly it would really look bad. Carefully peeled mine off just a bit ago, and came off without a hitch.
post #76 of 788
Can anyone help me with my issue, the post at the top of this page.
post #77 of 788
Seems to me you could just reduce the volume on your subwoof. How would the receiver know which of the DSP you like? Set the receiver on "straight" and listen as the director intended, rather than "trick" up the sound.
post #78 of 788
For those that have surround sound setup, I just listened to King Crimson's Tarkus in Redbook CD with the Neural Surround setting in 5.1 - sounds phenomenal!
post #79 of 788
I am thinking about purchasing this receiver, but I am wondering about the component video scaling. Can you configure component video switching to just switch the video and not scale it? I would rather have my TV do all the scaling and just have the receiver pass through 480i, 480p, 720p etc strait to my TV. Is this doable? If not, component switching is pointless for me. Also, does the OSD still work in this configuration?

Thanks for the help.
post #80 of 788
Hi guys,
even i was planning to go for Yamaha 659, until i saw this (Yamaha 659 only 50 watts per channel) posted in one of the threads i changed my mind


showthread.php?t=737678

Wats ur say on this
post #81 of 788
Where did you see that posted?

See audioholics review - more than 100 wpc
http://www.audioholics.com/productre...aRX-V659p1.php

"At full continuous unclipped power (132wpc x 1; 8 ohms, 120wpc x 2; 8 ohms - full bandwidth with less than 0.1% THD+N), the RX-V659 still maintained excellent bandwidth linearity with a -3dB point of 65kHz despite we were driving the receiver way beyond its rated 100wpc power specification. Into 4 ohms, the RX-V659 was able to deliver continuous power levels at a whopping 200wpc x 1 and 170wpc x 2 with less than 0.1% THD + N. The amplifier section of this receiver is truly underrated. I never encountered a budget A/V surround receiver that could deliver this kind of power before. Truly amazing.

Keep in mind most review publications don't do continuous power measurements and they usually publish power measurements into clipping at 1% THD + N. Our measurements are very conservative and it is clear that this receiver is a true workhorse for its asking price."

This unit has plenty of power, one of the reasons I bought it - very surprising at this price point.
post #82 of 788
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Originally Posted by safeerkhan View Post

Hi guys,
even i was planning to go for Yamaha 659, until i saw this (Yamaha 659 only 50 watts per channel)

I would guess that is about right... but so do the other brands.

Read this:
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...rs/ACDTEST.php

I think about the only consumer type manufacturer that is even close on their rating numbers is HK. That said, I would guess most of these units are fine for normal home applications. If not, you'll need external amps.

Think about it.... if it really did 100w x 7... and only uses say 400w, we've just solved the world's energy problems. We just need Yamaha to build a TON of these things... feed them power, and use the output.

So, if it only draws 400 watts from the power-line, then it isn't putting out more than 50 w/ch. In fact, because of all the inefficiencies along the way, considerably less.

But, you'll also never need to drive all 7 channels at a continuous power output that high. Music doesn't work that way.

I'm likely going to get the HTR-5890, but not because of power, but features. I think if you stick with a HK, Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, and a few other more respectable brands in the 400+ price range, you're going to do fine.

-Steve
post #83 of 788
I purchased a Yamaha RX-V659 (with iPod dock...) to be used in my new home theater setup. Just got the TV and DVD player up and running, and now am ready to bring the AV recvr online. I have a XM subscription in my car and luv it. Has anyone else used the XM adapter with their Yamaha recvr yet? Any feedback would be appreciated! Thanks in advance...
post #84 of 788
Hi everyone, I just purchased one of these got it for the same price at FS that someone else earlier said they got from BB via an employee discount... At the same time purchased a set of Polk RM20 the price was very good on these CA$100 more then the receiver...Polk RM 20

I should have them home tonight or tomorrow AM. Can't wait too see how sleek it will all look with my HLS-6767

Does anyone else have this setup? Any suggestions on setup/settings?

Any feedback appraciated. If you think this setup will suck, tell me I got 40 day free rental. Love my local B&M.


Dresden
post #85 of 788
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Originally Posted by Daryl L View Post

Looks like the V659 uses Burr Brown DAC's. I doubt the 5960 uses Burr Brown DAC's.

For what it's worth, I am about to purchase a 5960 and was intrigued by the Burr-Brown DAC suggestion. So I e-mailed Yamaha:

=========================================================
Joshua,
The HTR-5960 uses Burr-Brown DAC's for all channels

Best Regards,
The Yamaha Customer Support Team

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Receivers [AV and Stereo]
Model:
I'm interested in the HTR-5960. However, I would like to know if the 5960 uses Burr-Brown DACs. Some of your authorized dealers are indicating the 5960 uses Burr-Brown DACs; however, your product pages do not specify. Thank you for any clarification you may be able to provide.

ref:00D3F1z.50032qI59:ref
=========================================================
post #86 of 788
To answer even more questions as to the differences in the 5960 and the 659.

I'm also interested in the 659 and I contacted Yamaha several weeks ago. Except for Zone 2 capability and cosmetics they are they same receiver. Same amps, same dacs/burr brown, all internals are the same. The HTR and RXV lines power ratiings are measured differently so that's where the different numbers come in on the specs.
post #87 of 788
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Originally Posted by Jakeman02 View Post

To answer even more questions as to the differences in the 5960 and the 659.

I'm also interested in the 659 and I contacted Yamaha several weeks ago. Except for Zone 2 capability and cosmetics they are they same receiver. Same amps, same dacs/burr brown, all internals are the same. The HTR and RXV lines power ratiings are measured differently so that's where the different numbers come in on the specs.

Yeah - I think a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that the 5960 product page is messed up at Yamaha (US). The list of HTR series receivers correctly lists it as 7.1 and names some features, but clicking through to the product page produces a features list (at the bottom) that is from some other receiver (i.e., it lists it as a 5.1 receiver, and states some other incorrect features -- it also fails to specify Burr-Brown DACs as does the RX-v659 product page). Vanns, perhaps Audio Advisor or some other e-retailers correctly list the 5960 features, and I also asked Yamaha support a similar question and got the same answer.
post #88 of 788
Not sure if it helps you, but check out yamaha.ca it might list additional info, assuming you don't mind the King's English.


Dresden
post #89 of 788
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dresden View Post

Not sure if it helps you, but check out yamaha.ca it might list additional info, assuming you don't mind the King's English.


Dresden

Not sure if directed at me, but thanks for the suggestion (as it includes a product brochure that corrects the errors on the Yamaha US site) - I actually already own a 5960, though.

And, I'm not sure how Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor would feel about that reference to "King's" English
post #90 of 788
Quote:
Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

I've had the HTR-5960 for a bit more than a week now. I am very pleased. I have been using it primarily for movies / SD and HD TV programs, but also spent a bit of time with music via DVD-A and CD. My speaker set-up, severely constrained by room limitations and WAF, is just the Athena Micra in a 6.1 configuration, so not exactly full range, high-end performers , but sufficient for most of our use. The room is roughly 15 x 15 with one wall completely open to a dining room.

The 5960 replaced a Panasonic XR-55 in the same set-up. I enjoyed the XR-55, but, whether the model itself or some problem with my specific unit, I couldn't drive sufficient volume levels in some instances - particularly with some specific broadcast movie channels whose broadcast volume is always much lower than other channels (i.e., same volume setting generates quite different perceived volumes from different channels). My XR-55 was going into overload protection mode at volume levels that simply weren't sufficient for some circumstances (this was true even in movie scenes comprising mostly dialogue - i.e., without huge dynamic range spikes). I hoped the 5960 could correct this for us in our circumstance, and thankfully, it does so in spades. I do miss the smaller profile of the XR-55, but it's certainly a trade-off I'm happy to take .

Pros:

· Power. Addresses an issue that we had and can reach and sustain volume levels without distortion above any we will regularly use.
· Sound Field Programs: I'm having a lot of fun playing with Yamaha's various DSP options. With the XR-55, I pretty much just used various Dolby / DTS decoders and didn't ever use any of the proprietary sound field options, but I have been using Yamaha's built-in sound fields for some content and enjoying them.
· YPAO set-up. I know this is reported to have its problems and quirks, but I actually was pretty pleased with the calibration it offered up (with the little Micra satellites, it didn't choose to set my mains as large as I have seen others report). I haven't calibrated with an SPL, but, for example, checked the distances setting to see how close it compared to actuals and it was very close. I'm pleased with the output results of the various EQ and speaker level settings, but based solely on general listening.
· OSD. Helpful in set-up and configuration, though probably won't get much regular use.

Cons:

· I wish the extended surround setting, useful with 5-channel sources, would be retained after the unit is turned off. I generally use Dolby EX / DTS ES to matrix a 5.1-channel input source into 6.1 output. The extended surround function resets to Auto if the unit is set to standby, and the unit won't automatically convert 5.1 inputs into 6.1 without changing Auto to EX/ES. (2-channel sources retain the setting to matrix to 6.1 channel).
· Flashy promotional stickers on front of unit that I worry will damage finish if I remove (waiting to hear from Yamaha on this).
· Tuning. I listen to a few FM stations every so often, and for the most part use the digital signals from my cable provider for local stations. But, where reception isn't an issue, I'd be happy to use the receiver alone rather than the cable box and TV (which I then turn off since my Harmony universal remote automatically powers it on when watching TV). Using the remote (or a universal remote) to tune stations is cumbersome since they have to be preset (and you have to remember the presets) - I would've liked a direct tune feature available from the remote.

We don't use (or intend to use) XM radio, so I could have done without. We don't use iPods for home listening and I prefer to use CDs or the occasional DVD-A when choosing to listen, but I anticipate that when the kids get a bit older, the iPod dock may come in handy. HDMI would be a nice to have for us - I use component through the unit from my HD STB (though it has HDMI out) and use my display's one HDMI input for direct connection to our DVD player. If and when we get a game console or something similar that has HDMI outs, I may look into a HDMI switch, but obviously the lack of HDMI on this receiver was not something that concerned me.

I know there is a wide range of opinion on brightness of various components, varied as they may be, and that Athena is often described as being bright, and Yamaha has also occasionally been described as being bright. Either I'm personally not sensitive to it, or its not an issue - I wouldn't describe my system as harsh or fatigue-inducing at all.

So overall, it suits our needs very well, we've eliminated a source of irritation from our previous receiver, and also added some additional features that are useful but not gotta have it sorts of things. Very pleased, and would recommend this receiver to anyone for whom it's stated features make a good fit.

Thought I'd add to my thoughts since I've now spent more time with the 5960. Still really happy with the unit. As mentioned above, I just have the little Micra speakers in a 6.1 configuration (with a Bic H100 sub), but I've been very happy with the ability to drive significantly higher volumes of undistorted sound than with my previous receiver. I still fiddle with the DSP modes, but not as often as when I first got the unit -- this is principally with two-channel broadcast (TV) sound and some music (typically FM; a few of our CDs). I've since calibrated my system with Avia and an SPL meter and the YPAO system had actually done a very credible job -- manually calibrating produced some minor tweaks but not a major overhaul. My one gripe remains the "extended surround" setting -- I usually prefer to matrix a 5.1 channel feed into 6.1 given my set-up, and while the 5960 makes this really easy to do, it doesn't retain the setting to do so when put into standby -- so I have to remember to reset to EX/ES when I want to watch a movie or HD broadcast source (it's really easy to do with my Harmony remote - it's just something I wish I didn't have to do).

One future item I'll report on soon is the iPod connectivity. My wife has a little 2GB nano -- I really had no interest in playing highly compressed music through the receiver when I could play most of the content I want through our CDs. However, I ended up ordering a 30GB video iPod through a member rewards sort of program, and I figure I can store 10 - 20 full albums in uncompressed lossless format with plenty of room to spare for compressed mp3's, video clips, etc. So I ended up using some available online store credits to pick up the iPod dock for this receiver; when the new iPod arrives and I get it set-up, I'll report back on my impressions of the iPod connectivity -- lossless music, compressed music with the built-in enhancer, and video abilities (which apparently is not controllable via remote). The whole iPod connectivity is one I thought I'd have little use for, but it may now be fairly useful.
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