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post #61 of 1469
10/13/06 at 4:42am
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Finally, I only have one cable going into my plasma.

You may have sold me just on that.

Wake up AJ! We know you tossed and turned all night! I'm on the east coast too, so I'm up and ready to hear more.

Peace,

DM
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post #62 of 1469
10/13/06 at 4:48am
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You may have sold me just on that.

Wake up AJ! We know you tossed and turned all night! I'm on the east coast too, so I'm up and ready to hear more.

Peace,

DM

The one big problem with external VPs has been that they are not plug and play. It can be difficult to get 1:1 mapping and without that the biggest boost to PQ is lost. You have to be prepared to fiddle around. With the built in 1:1 mapping feature in this PF series that problem MAY be history. I still don't know exactly how this feature works. I have to see it to believe it.

You should take a look at the video processer forum. There is a ton of good information over there.
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post #63 of 1469
10/13/06 at 4:57am
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I've heard a lot of good things about Lumagen as a company and the R seems to be a better price than the CII so maybe worth the wait. I wonder why it is taking them so long to get the Radiance to market.

A bit OT, but they have great features and tech support. My guess is there was a mid-course correction when they switched their next product from a Realta based unit for $6500 list to a Gennum at $3500 with a new modular design that allows for processor and HDMI 1.3 upgrades.

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The one big problem with external VPs has been that they are not plug and play. It can be difficult to get 1:1 mapping and without that the biggest boost to PQ is lost. You have to be prepared to fiddle around. With the built in 1:1 mapping feature in this PF series that problem MAY be history. I still don't know exactly how this feature works. I have to see it to believe it.

You should take a look at the video processer forum. There is a ton of good information over there.

1080P displays are great. If they have defeatable overscan or another method of acheiving 1:1 pixel map it should be trivial to get native rate from a Videop Processor or PC.

- Rich
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post #64 of 1469
10/13/06 at 5:22am
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1080P displays are great. If they have defeatable overscan or another method of acheiving 1:1 pixel map it should be trivial to get native rate from a Videop Processor or PC.

- Rich

Well I'm not sure what the link is between being 1080 and it being trivial to get 1:1. I suppose if all broadcast signals were 1080 I could see the logic. Is it easier techincally to implement defeatable overscan with 1080 than other resolutions? Anyway, with a VP you can send whatever resolution and timings to the monitor that you want. To tell the truth I do not understand why so many monitors do not accept a signal in their native resoultion without reprocessing it (like all of the consumer pannys up to this point). I know the VP gurus have tried all their tricks and failed on those units. It has also been hard/impossible to get 1:1 even on the commercials via HDMI (again, up to this point). I guess I just don't understand the technical aspects of it and why the companies would manufacture units like that in the first place.
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post #65 of 1469
10/13/06 at 5:40am
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Well I'm not sure what the link is between being 1080 and it being trivial to get 1:1. I suppose if all broadcast signals were 1080 I could see the logic. Is it easier techincally to implement defeatable overscan with 1080 than other resolutions? Anyway, with a VP you can send whatever resolution and timings to the monitor that you want. To tell the truth I do not understand why so many monitors do not accept a signal in their native resoultion without reprocessing it (like all of the consumer pannys up to this point). I know the VP gurus have tried all their tricks and failed on those units. It has also been hard/impossible to get 1:1 even on the commercials via HDMI (again, up to this point). I guess I just don't understand the technical aspects of it and why the companies would manufacture units like that in the first place.

I think that consumer displays were viewed by manufacturers as TV's and early on Plasma displays were more prone to burn-in so PC's were considered dangerous since it is normal to have static displays.

The reason 1080P makes all this easier is that it is a well defined resolution and refresh rate so that manufactures make displays that accept the same timings. Of course, EDID information has been present for a long time and it makes it easy to select a native resolution with a PC. Video processor folks have not made much use of that, but I think it is changing. Anyway, 1080P at native rate is good for PC's, Scalers, and of course, BD and HD DVD players.

- Rich
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post #66 of 1469
10/13/06 at 8:54am
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Ok folks.

I got up early this morning and started to pick up trash a things that collect around a room whenever new electronic equipment is bought and installed. After which I shampoo'd the rug for an hour. Doing this made a cleaner work area and actually made me feel good.

I ditched the Zernith tuner and hooked up the SA-8000HD box via HDMI (used an adapter to DVI). After rebooting and entering expert mode I was able to configure the resolutions that the box will output. Everything worked well except for one resolution (480p - I think).

I tweaked color and black level settings to my likings using the best colorimeter in the world - my eye. However after I have about 500 hours, I'll break out the SpyderTVpro and GetGray to do a proper calibration.

I played many HD programs from the DVR (Goodfellas, Thin Red Line, Lost, Heroes, ect.) aside from some poor compression artifacts the set is performing better than expected. I used a gamma of 2.2 and left black extentions on.

I tried Cinema, Super Cinema or whatever they are all called. I liked normal.

I could not see any screen door effect until I go really really really close. I'd say less than 12". (It's amazing how poor the images look at that distance). When I used 1:1 mapping mode I was quite disappointed in that it certainly did work, but left a really annoying single pixel line at the top and a single pixel line at the bottom with flishing colors. Readjusting the postition up or down did not solve this problem. I have not traced it yet to see if it's the box, blade, or set (I'll tackle this when I get back from my trip). Anyhow, 1:1 looked nice but once I went back to regular mode and futzed with size/positions I ended up with almost the same picture. Flicking between the two (1:1 and regular settings) I could not see any sharpness or color (Morie) differences.

The blacks were in my opinion, fantastic. The room lights were set from bright (lights) to dark. Can't wait to measure what they really are and I hope I am not overly impressed by the resolutoin and color capabilities of the set to mask what they really are - but they were more than satisfactory and better than anything I've seen in stores.

Getting the SA-8000 to pass through the correct signal format was a pain. Once I got it I was able to play with aspec ratio (otherwise it stays locked on FULL). I love AUTO and JUST modes.

The unit has six fans that I can see. The operation of them is very very quiet - I suspect they arent even on until I get within a foot. Although, the unit does let you know when it is powered up. To me it sounds a little loud - all the fans kick in and then go silient. I thought the unit buzzed a little, then quickly realized that it was my CF lamp on the end table.

That's it for now -

-Jack
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post #67 of 1469
10/13/06 at 11:34am
Thanks, aJ. Keep on posting your observations. Can't wait to get this panel myself.
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post #68 of 1469
10/13/06 at 1:36pm
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When I used 1:1 mapping mode I was quite disappointed in that it certainly did work, but left a really annoying single pixel line at the top and a single pixel line at the bottom with flishing colors. Readjusting the postition up or down did not solve this problem. I have not traced it yet to see if it's the box, blade, or set (I'll tackle this when I get back from my trip). Anyhow, 1:1 looked nice but once I went back to regular mode and futzed with size/positions I ended up with almost the same picture. Flicking between the two (1:1 and regular settings) I could not see any sharpness or color (Morie) differences.

I'm not quite sure I follow what you did. When you tried 1:1 mapping you were sending the PDP 1080p signals? From which device?
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post #69 of 1469
10/13/06 at 3:09pm
Great assJack! (Isn't that something Police Commissioner Gordon used to exclaim or something in the old Batman series? )

Do you have an HD-DVD player, by chance? (I'm guessing not because you viewed HD from the DVR).

Isn't the dense pixel structure of the Panny wonderful? It gives such a liquid image, even from fairly close.

Once these babies are set up and fed top notch HD, this panel should be one of the premier HD display devices anywhere around it's size.

Even on a fairly good SD transfer, like Jurassic Park 3, there were some scenes with the Raptor dinosaurs walking toward the screen and the sheer believability was awesome. Like watching dinosaurs come alive in front of me.

Which is the type of experience that really gets me hyped in this hobby.
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post #70 of 1469
10/13/06 at 7:17pm
I am seriously considering buying this set and have been lurking here for several months but never posted anything. I was reading about the new pioneer elite set and found this
[COLOR=Blue]"As far as i know, the Pro-FHD1 is the only TV that can accept 1080p24 and display it as 1080p72.
Again, as far as i know, the only source that can provide a native 1080p24 signal right now is an HTPC playing a BD/HD-DVD movie [or a downloaded 1920x1080 (not 1440x1080) WMV-HD trailer].

So my question is, has anybody ever tried to connect an HTPC to the Pro-FHD1 and play a BD/HD-DVD movie, outputting 1080p24 from the HTPC?

This seems to be the only way to have a completely 1080p24 video chain from disc to screen, thereby avoiding all rescaling, deinterlacing, and 3:2 pulldown judder.[/quote]"[/COLOR]
Is this true. Does the new panny do the p>i>p conversion. Thanks for any replies. I am aware that the panny does not accept 108024 input but only 1080p60.
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post #71 of 1469
10/13/06 at 9:13pm
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Is this true. Does the new panny do the p>i>p conversion. Thanks for any replies. I am aware that the panny does not accept 108024 input but only 1080p60.

Yes, this is true. The Pio PRO-FHD1 is the only current plasma that will accept a 1080p24 input and display it at 1080p72. Since 72 is an even multiple of 24, each frame can be shown three times in a 3:3 pulldown, which should be smoother than the 3:2 pulldown needed to display it at 1080p60. (Whether you will be able to see the difference or not is another question.)

Since the Panny does not accept 1080p24, you won't be depending on the TV to do the conversion. It will take a 100p60 input and display it at 1080p60. The conversion from 1080p24 to 1080p60 must be done by the HD DVD or Blu-Ray player (or an external scaler). So, you're question about whether it involves a p>i>p conversion is really one to look at when you choose the player.

The first generation Samsung Blu-Ray player does not have the capability to output 1080p24, only 1080p60 (or 1080i). In its conversion to 1080p60, this player does the p>i>p conversion, which may or may not be one of the causes of the picture quality softness complaints. Note that this problem exists regardless of whether or not you feed the signal to the Pio PRO-FHD1 or the Panny, since it cannot output the 1080p24 that the Pio is capable of accepting.

Bottom line -- for the Pio, it would make sense to look for a player that can output the 1080p24 directly. For the Panny, look for a player that can output 1080p60 with a good 3:2 pulldown capability, and that does not first convert to 1080i, then back to 1080p.
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post #72 of 1469
10/14/06 at 5:48am
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Bottom line -- for the Pio, it would make sense to look for a player that can output the 1080p24 directly. For the Panny, look for a player that can output 1080p60 with a good 3:2 pulldown capability, and that does not first convert to 1080i, then back to 1080p


Do any such Hd-DVD players that do the above exist. Are the Bluray players from sony or pioneer going to be able to do the above? How would an external scaler help if the player is already doing a p>i>p conversion.
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post #73 of 1469
10/14/06 at 10:43am
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Ok folks.

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The blacks were in my opinion, fantastic. The room lights were set from bright (lights) to dark. Can't wait to measure what they really are and I hope I am not overly impressed by the resolutoin and color capabilities of the set to mask what they really are - but they were more than satisfactory and better than anything I've seen in stores.

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That's it for now -

-Jack

Hi Jack

THANKS for posting your initial impressions. Sounds GREAT!

If possible, could you give us your impression of black levels when using the display in a cinema-dark (i.e. total dark environment....... ) room?

FWIW, when I use my current Pani 42-PWD7UY display in a dark room (at night) I think the black levels are not that good. That's one of the only complaints I've had with the Pani display and would really like to upgrade to an HD plasma if the the blacks are really good.

Regards
JohnG
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post #74 of 1469
10/14/06 at 12:27pm
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Hi Jack

THANKS for posting your initial impressions. Sounds GREAT!

If possible, could you give us your impression of black levels when using the display in a cinema-dark (i.e. total dark environment....... ) room?

FWIW, when I use my current Pani 42-PWD7UY display in a dark room (at night) I think the black levels are not that good. That's one of the only complaints I've had with the Pani display and would really like to upgrade to an HD plasma if the the blacks are really good.

Regards
JohnG

John,

I don't believe the 1080p Panasonic plasma's black levels are any better than the 7 series you own. (Just "keepin' it real" for ya).
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post #75 of 1469
10/14/06 at 1:10pm
I had the opportunity for a 'second' viewing of the BigPanny this time with a decent signal source ,RogersCableHD Discovery Channel, and much better lighting conditions (darker room very little ambient light but not pitch dark) at Trutone. All I can say is 'wow' what a difference from BayBloor where it is now clear a bad source and light reflections were destroying the PQ potential of the panel.
I watched it at 8' - 10' from the panel, incredible resolution, image size, punch, colors and black level was just fine for me. Certainly I couldnt see any difference in black level between the 65 and my 42PX500U but I watch in subdued lighted conditions and never in cinema dark situations so black is not as sensitive for me as other more discriminating viewers on the forum. If you simply took the PQ on my 42 and blew it up to 65 but factored in improved resolution with the 1080p that's all I wanted and it is what I got in my viewing experience.
The one thing I will say this panel because of size and upscaling all the way to 1080 does not like bad sources, I watch a lot of news channels and talk shows and CNN struggled , Fox better, but if you want this panel to shine just give it a good source. Still havent seen it with HD DVD but it would have to be a knock out. This is a panel for movie buffs. But for yours truly until broadcast sources start to improve it would be somewhat of a waste for me and the CDN pricing is just nuts let alone the fact that they want C$1200 for the stands which are still in Japan.
Given the size of this panel and what I watched on Discovery Channel, the FHD1 is just not in the same league maybe not on the same planet, the real estate difference is just huge. If there was one thing that struck me it is seeing the realism of people's faces on the screen, this panel captures nuances, blemishes, hair ends, skin marks that a light HD panel simply cant pull out. Light HD panels have almost a lighter or flatter look after you've looked at the BigPanny.
They had 50 and 58 Pannies in the store, Sony SXRD, Samsungs and I kept going back in the room with the BigPanny and nodding my head about how nice it was.
Then I headed over to SoundDesign another B&M in Toronto and looked at the Fuji 50 and wondered if that might be an upgrade option for me, the video processing on that panel is remarkable, the quietest/smoothest picture I have seen with great blacks and now half the price of the BigPanny in Toronto.One thing's for sure once Fuji breaks ground with 1080p panels the bar will go to another level, and probably the price with it. Anyway that was my Saturday plasma tour, and I have to say a lot of fun especially when my wallet stays in my pocket.

Trunorth
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post #76 of 1469
10/14/06 at 1:44pm
Trunorth,

That was a fun read!

Once you see the Panasonic on it's own, in a light conrolled room as you say it has punch, depth and richness galore. And I agree a 50" 1080p model just can't match the experience of a good 65" plasma like the Panny - it's that different and that much more immersive.

The 1080p resolution allows a beautiful reproduction of "film-like" for movies and "looking through a cleaner window" for HD content as well.

I'm betting if you took DVDs you know, that you've watched on your plasma and viewed them on the big Panasonic you'd see some of the added color detail in the 1080p model as well.

Like you, being a fellow canuck whose blood freezes at the Canadian price for these things, I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while for a purchase. (But I did what I shouldn't have done: I picked up an HD-DVD player at an amazing price. My ED plasma obviously doesn't do it near the justice it deserves, but what I'm seeing in the HD movies I've purchased is so tantalizing it makes holding off on buying a 1080p display all the more torturous).
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post #77 of 1469
10/14/06 at 2:14pm
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Do any such Hd-DVD players that do the above exist. Are the Bluray players from sony or pioneer going to be able to do the above? How would an external scaler help if the player is already doing a p>i>p conversion.

I think the original Samsung Blu-Ray player was an aberration. Based on the inputs in the new Pioneer displays (even the non-1080p displays will accept a 1080p24 input), I would expect the Pio Blu-Ray player to output 1080p24 directly. Probably the same for the Sony. Don't know about the available HD players.

An external scaler wouldn't necessarily do anything for the p>i>p conversion if that's being done by the player.
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post #78 of 1469
10/14/06 at 2:22pm
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The one thing I will say this panel because of size and upscaling all the way to 1080 does not like bad sources, I watch a lot of news channels and talk shows and CNN struggled , Fox better, but if you want this panel to shine just give it a good source. Still havent seen it with HD DVD but it would have to be a knock out. This is a panel for movie buffs. But for yours truly until broadcast sources start to improve it would be somewhat of a waste for me and the CDN pricing is just nuts let alone the fact that they want C$1200 for the stands which are still in Japan.

I'm betting that even crappy sources are going to look pretty good if you have a good external video processer. I'll let you know when I get mine next week as I will be attaching it to a Crystalio II and digital mosquito.
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post #79 of 1469
10/14/06 at 2:28pm
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John,

I don't believe the 1080p Panasonic plasma's black levels are any better than the 7 series you own. (Just "keepin' it real" for ya).

I don't know for sure but there were supposed to have been improvements in black level with each generation of glass. I know Panasonic started playing around by reporting dynamic instead of static conrast levels (since other manufacturers started doing that) but even taking that into account I think I've heard that the blacks are better on the later gen glass. I think this unit has 9th gen glass, correct?

I can tell you that I noticed a definite improvement between my 6th and 8th gen Pannys but your statement refers to the 7th gen so maybe my observation is not relevant.
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post #80 of 1469
10/14/06 at 2:36pm
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Given the size of this panel and what I watched on Discovery Channel, the FHD1 is just not in the same league maybe not on the same planet, the real estate difference is just huge. If there was one thing that struck me it is seeing the realism of people's faces on the screen, this panel captures nuances, blemishes, hair ends, skin marks that a light HD panel simply cant pull out. Light HD panels have almost a lighter or flatter look after you've looked at the BigPanny. Trunorth

Even though I haven't yet seen the panel Truworth, I agree 100%. The whole 1080p thing is made for really large screens. Yes, you can appreciate the difference in 1080p on the Pioneer (barring the black level issues I've seen), but there is nothing like having that extra screen real-estate to really see what 1080p can do!!


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Then I headed over to SoundDesign another B&M in Toronto and looked at the Fuji 50 and wondered if that might be an upgrade option for me, the video processing on that panel is remarkable, the quietest/smoothest picture I have seen with great blacks and now half the price of the BigPanny in Toronto.One thing's for sure once Fuji breaks ground with 1080p panels the bar will go to another level, and probably the price with it.
Trunorth

Yeah, I'm afraid my head may explode when I finally get to see the Fujitsu 65" 1080p panel. I have little doubt that it will be the panel to beat in the 1080p world.
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post #81 of 1469
10/14/06 at 3:04pm
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I think the original Samsung Blu-Ray player was an aberration. Based on the inputs in the new Pioneer displays (even the non-1080p displays will accept a 1080p24 input), I would expect the Pio Blu-Ray player to output 1080p24 directly. Probably the same for the Sony. Don't know about the available HD players.

An external scaler wouldn't necessarily do anything for the p>i>p conversion if that's being done by the player.

It remains to be seen what the Pioneer Elite Blu-Ray player can do since it keeps getting delayed, but I agree that you're probably right about 1080p at 24 directly. The reports I've been reading about the Sony say that it does not, but I'd like to see some actual user reviews. Any day now. The Panasonic does definitely not output 1080p at 24.

All first generation HD players are not capable of this, in fact they can only do 1080i. Maybe the second generation ones due out early next year will cover all the bases.

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But I did what I shouldn't have done: I picked up an HD-DVD player at an amazing price.

Congrats, Rich. Now keep saving up those Canadian dollars so you can buy a Blu-Ray player next so you'll have all the hi-def movies covered from all the studios. This format war is totally screwed-up !
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post #82 of 1469
10/14/06 at 3:11pm
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I don't know for sure but there were supposed to have been improvements in black level with each generation of glass. I know Panasonic started playing around by reporting dynamic instead of static conrast levels (since other manufacturers started doing that) but even taking that into account I think I've heard that the blacks are better on the later gen glass. I think this unit has 9th gen glass, correct?

I can tell you that I noticed a definite improvement between my 6th and 8th gen Pannys but your statement refers to the 7th gen so maybe my observation is not relevant.

Jack,

There has been a lot of conversation here about the black levels of the current 1080p plasmas. "Insider info" from a couple people here indicate that it has been tougher for both Pioneer and Panasonic to maintain as deep black levels in their 1080p plasmas, due to (I believe) a higher pixel idle charge needed for the xtra pixels. It seems clear to me the Pioneer 1080p plasma has higher black levels than it's non-1080p Pioneer counterparts, and from what I saw the new 1080p Panasonic does not appear to have as inky-deep black levels as the smaller 9th gen Panasonic plasmas. The 1080p model has black levels closer to older Panasonic plasmas, from what I can tell.
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post #83 of 1469
10/14/06 at 3:33pm
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Jack,

There has been a lot of conversation here about the black levels of the current 1080p plasmas. "Insider info" from a couple people here indicate that it has been tougher for both Pioneer and Panasonic to maintain as deep black levels in their 1080p plasmas, due to (I believe) a higher pixel idle charge needed for the xtra pixels. It seems clear to me the Pioneer 1080p plasma has higher black levels than it's non-1080p Pioneer counterparts, and from what I saw the new 1080p Panasonic does not appear to have as inky-deep black levels as the smaller 9th gen Panasonic plasmas. The 1080p model has black levels closer to older Panasonic plasmas, from what I can tell.

This is what has been reported. Interestingly, the 42600U was just reviewed by Home Theater Magazine and measured the black level at .012. Which is astouding compated to the 500U that was measured at .027 ft-LA. I had information that the pre-charge was reduced by 30% but maybe this is a case where measuring with the glass off is a bad idea It does match my experience with my 509UK which has great black levels that are noticeably better than my 657UY.

I keep reading all these wonderful posts to learn more but I get the same impression as RH. The blacks are probably somewhere between the 7 and 8 series panels but not up to the non 1080P 9 series.

- Rich
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post #84 of 1469
10/14/06 at 3:45pm
Hi All,

I must be missing something but the attached spec sheet lists 1080 24p as a supported video signal for the TH65PF9UK, contrary to what has been posted.

T Wiz

 

TH-65PF9UK_spec.pdf 201.546875k . file
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post #85 of 1469
10/14/06 at 4:05pm
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Hi All,

I must be missing something but the attached spec sheet lists 1080 24p as a supported video signal for the TH65PF9UK, contrary to what has been posted.

T Wiz

I believe that is for Component/RGB and not HDMI and DVI which are the preferred connection. Page 45 of the Owners manual does not show 1080P/24 support for DVI.

- Rich
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post #86 of 1469
10/14/06 at 4:10pm
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This is what has been reported. Interestingly, the 42600U was just reviewed by Home Theater Magazine and measured the black level at .012. Which is astouding compated to the 500U that was measured at .027 ft-LA. I had information that the pre-charge was reduced by 30% but maybe this is a case where measuring with the glass off is a bad idea It does match my experience with my 509UK which has great black levels that are noticeably better than my 657UY.

I keep reading all these wonderful posts to learn more but I get the same impression as RH. The blacks are probably somewhere between the 7 and 8 series panels but not up to the non 1080P 9 series.

- Rich

Yeah the .012 is nice however, it's really not thst great as Panasonic needs to work on the 740:1 ANSI contrast ratio as well as resolving more than 690pph of a 1080i signal.
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post #87 of 1469
10/14/06 at 5:06pm
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Yeah the .012 is nice however, it's really not thst great as Panasonic needs to work on the 740:1 ANSI contrast ratio as well as resolving more than 690pph of a 1080i signal.

The 720P number is much better than the 500 series. The 740:1 is interesting, I wonder if they turn off Peak Limit ?

The 1080i is not up to snuff. I would like to see how the 50 inch does. For me, that is not much of an issue I use a scaler with commercial panels.

- Rich
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post #88 of 1469
10/14/06 at 6:18pm
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The 720P number is much better than the 500 series. The 740:1 is interesting, I wonder if they turn off Peak Limit ?

The 1080i is not up to snuff. I would like to see how the 50 inch does. For me, that is not much of an issue I use a scaler with commercial panels.

- Rich

Yes, they finally addressed the 720p issue. Now it seems it's better to send a 720p signal instead of a 1080i. Go figure.

The reveiw also confims that the floating blacks still exists....although it's alot more "tamed" with their new algorithm.
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post #89 of 1469
10/14/06 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Jack,

There has been a lot of conversation here about the black levels of the current 1080p plasmas. "Insider info" from a couple people here indicate that it has been tougher for both Pioneer and Panasonic to maintain as deep black levels in their 1080p plasmas, due to (I believe) a higher pixel idle charge needed for the xtra pixels. It seems clear to me the Pioneer 1080p plasma has higher black levels than it's non-1080p Pioneer counterparts, and from what I saw the new 1080p Panasonic does not appear to have as inky-deep black levels as the smaller 9th gen Panasonic plasmas. The 1080p model has black levels closer to older Panasonic plasmas, from what I can tell.

Oh. I see. I remember now that they were able to get better contrast ratios with the smaller units even in older generations. I don't know the technical part of it but it seems consistent with previous generations that the PDPs with more pixels present a greater challenge in terms of contrast. So there is a trade-off. Well if the black levels on the new one are like my 50PHD8UK I'll be ok with that given the other benefits of the PF.
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post #90 of 1469
10/14/06 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yes, they finally addressed the 720p issue. Now it seems it's better to send a 720p signal instead of a 1080i. Go figure.

The reveiw also confims that the floating blacks still exists....although it's alot more "tamed" with their new algorithm.

I did not read that floating blacks exist in the review. Also, the recent CNET reviews of the 509UK indicates that the DC Restoration/Black stability problem is not present in that panel.

- Rich
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