Epson EMP-TW1000 1080p LCD HDMI1.3 - Page 52

Thanks for the info. I think this projector will work our fine for me then. Just wanted to clarify the 24fps.

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I admit I blamed badly aligned lcd panels when I first saw color shifts in the pj´s internal ´pattern´image. More than the panels, it´s the optics and lens shift that cause it, and problems in focus too.

Here´s the best case set up for my unit when it stands on its own feet: adjust zoom to throw biggest image possible, lens shift downwards to the max, then left to the max.
This gives practically no chromatic aberration anywhere with vertical lines, horizontal lines are spot on at extreme left, and about 1,5 pixels worth off at extreme right (pink above, green below). Focus is very good everywhere.

Worst case set up is about opposite to the best, and gives good vertical alignment in the center, but at least 1,5 pixels off at both sides. Horizontal lines get almost 1 pixel more off everywhere. Focus, when sharp in the center, gets fuzzy to the sides.

There may be some effects to hot-spotting and picture geometry, but in my case all that was insignificant compared to less color fringing and better sharpness! Differences of this order may well be worth the effort.

briandx
are you still happy with the epson over the mits? some are saying they think the iris is less visible now on the mits? what are your thoughts

Can anyone else confirm this?

Every review and thread i've found fails to mention whether the Epson can actually display 1080p/24 rather than just being compatible.

The unit I'm testing shows 24fps for both input and output. Tested with Panasonic BD-P1200 and Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray players.

When I go to the input signal part of the menu it shows 1080p/24. Sorry if this is a dumb question - how do you test the output?

Sorry, I was going by what my Sony Blu-ray player is reporting (thought it was the projector). Per their Web site...

"Next, there's a proprietary lamp that provides consistent light from corner to corner, using the least amount of power, while 1080Perfect video processing offers full HD 1080p performance with 24fps and HDMI 1.3 compatibility."

I'm presuming the "compatibility" is for HDMI not 24fps. Are you thinking the Info screen isn't showing what is being output? All of the other projectors I have used have shown what is being displayed. I haven't done enough testing between the two settings to say one way or the other.

I assumed the info screen was showing the input rather than output - it shows 720p when being fed 360 games.

Having switched between 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 with various Blu-ray movies I can't see a difference in pans or with rolling credits - judder that was noticeable at 1080p/60 still seems to be there at 24. It'd be nice to get some form of clarification either way - if only to save me upgrading my receiver to one that passes 1080p/24 for no reason.

What would be the point of accepting a 24fps signal if you can't display it? It seems like there are no sources out there that only do 24fps, so wouldn't it make more sense to not support it at all?

That's what I thought - it makes no sense.

However, Epson HK just sent me this reply:

'Please be informed that the native resolution is 1080p and for TW1000 there
is no distinction among variations of frame rates.'

I take this to mean it doesn't display 1080p/24.

OK, let's try to end this debate and conjecture right now!

First, the display menu option for 24fps on my Samsung 1200 is available (not greyed out). According to Samsung, if the receiving unit cannot display 24fps, the HDMI will tell the BluRay player this, and grey out the option.

Also, when I am watching a BD with the option turned, the PJ display shows a frequency of 23.97. Note that when the 24fps option is off on the 1200, the frequency is 59.97.

I think this clearly illustrates that 24fps is available on the Epson via HDMI.

Brian

Isn't being compatible with 1080p/24 and displaying it two different things?

There are various 720p projectors that accept 1080p/24 from a Blu-ray player, and show the frequency as 23.97 just as it does with the TW1000, they aren't displaying it though.

I've been toggling between 1080p/60 and 1080p/24 with various Blu-rays and haven't noticed any difference with the TW1000 - scenes with judder have judder (to my eyes anyways) at both settings.

One of the first things I noticed when I watched the waterfalls on BARAKA with the Epson connected via HDMI: no judder, which I believe means that it displays 24fps...

I just read Shane Buetners's Epson review and he said it accepted 24fps BUT displayed at 60fps.
Presumably it frame rate converted internally up from 24 to 60.
He said this information came from Epson themselves (they always ask that these days).
He & Thomas Norton are some of the most reliable sources, for me.
The rest of the review was very positive indeed, though.
He didn't say anything about motion judder.

Nick

Have you got a link to that review, welwynnick?

Some form of confirmation would be nice.


I purchased the TW1000 as I wanted a pj to last 4 years or so and it seemed as future proof as anything else on the market at a very decent price - HDMI 1.3, 1080p etc. But I do notice judder and it does bother me.

The Pearl and JVC have this feature, and soon every pj under the sun will - it's a bit of a kick in the teeth if the TW1000 doesn't.

The display menu of the PJ shows what it is displaying, period. Every front PJ I have owned / auditioned has worked this way.

If it didn't, then you could not trust the display when it says 1125 lines of resolution.

It's pretty simple if you stop and think about it for a sec.

I thought it was the input menu - not the display.

No, it is the display menu.

So when i'm playing Wii games it displays 480p and doesn't upscale the signal to 1080p?

I just got this email from Epson HK:

'Dear xxxxx xxxxxx,

Thank you for your email.

Please be informed that the TW1000 takes 1080p/24 signals and converts to 1080p/60 for projection.

Best regards,

EPSON Technical Support
E-mail: techsupp@ehk.epson.com.hk'

Sorry, review is here:
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videopr...07epsonprocin/

This was otherwise a very positive review, and is making my choice even more difficult. My short list is getting bigger. I was going to get a Mits, but Shane's comments were pretty harsh. The Epson sounds like it, too, has effective video processing, but now the BenQ appeals for punch and brightness, and the Optoma for that and a processor that could be used with a separate display. Very confused now. They're all good, but each has a slightly different balance of attributes and drawbacks. There's nothing perfect.

Nick

I guess it comes down to how subtle the improvement 1080p24 gives is.

I'm very impressed with the TW1000 (my model actually broke, but Epson have superb support and a new one is on its way, no questions asked), but afaik it's the only 1080p model that doesn't support this feature. I've read that even some (cheap) 720p lcds support this feature - obviously downscaling to 720p/48, but judder free nonetheless.

tbh this all leaves me a little - rather an oversight on Epson's part it seems.

My $.02 as a 4 month Epson owner - I think the Buettner's review was about as dead-on as any I've read.

The main shortcoming of the Epson is its relative sharpness, but even then the picture is way sharper than my last PJ (Sony VPH-50). However, I think this review explodes the main myth that RS1 zealots would have you believe, that the overall CR and BL of this projector is poor as compared to the RS1 and other units. In fact, for real-world viewing conditions it should satisfy even the most discriminating owner.

Although I agree that the DI is seamless, I can hear it working on low lamp mode. Also, I much prefer the Mitsu 5000's motor-driven lens shift, zoom and focus. These settings on the Epson tend to drift a bit over time; once a month I spend 2 minutes re-setting everything.

However, overall this is a great unit, and for the price I'm glad I bought it.

Had my Mitsu 5000 not had horizontal banding issues and was not $1500 more expensive than my Epson, I would still have it. But no regrets here...

Epson TW1000 is a fixed-pixel LCD projector with the native resolution of 1920 x 1080. No matter what resolution that you input to it, the resolution of the picture given by it will be 1920 x 1080; that is, the projector has internal scaler.

I thought as much.

I was mainly asking because a few posters above were suggesting the signal menu shows what is being displayed, which doesn't apear to be the case here.

I'll echo the comments above having come from an HS-51. Brightness and black levels are great with this pj. The only 2 issues I have with the Epson are the iris noise and mine has pretty bad color uniformity at the longest throw. They are sending a replacement unit and I'll report back. Sharpness is way better than my previous projector with HD material and about the same or slightly better with SD material. I believe a lot of the sharpness differences has to do with processing and the Mits is much better in this regard when sending the pj 1080i or other material. XA2 with 1080p out pretty much levels the playing field.

Cheers.

I have a geomtry question about this projector and I am hoping someone can help. I am getting a slight bow in the picture on the bottom of the screen that is not on the top. It is worse on the right side than the left. I have leveled the projector and it seems like it is near perfect and the screen seems level also. Is there anything I may be overlooking here? Or something I should be checking out? Anyone else having similar issues?

I tested a unit and all four sides were perfectly straight.

I also just read the review in UltimateAV

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videopr...07epsonprocin/

and I respect that magazine and Shane Buettner greatly. I find the review quite fair, and accurate, except for one, HUGE aspect of it, and a second I will speak of later, both of which have me greatly concerned. I have to say that I completely at a loss to explain the biggest issue. From the day the first Cinema Pro 1080P started being reviewed and right through the the Cinema Home 1080P's release, commentary was almost centered on this projector being the brightest, and often by quite a margin, all of the sub $10k 1080P units.

Note this quote from projectorreviews.com from their recent review of the "Home"

"The Home Cinema 1080p's strengths that earn in our award, focus primarily on: Brightness (the brightest of the 1080p LCD projectors by a significant margin, and, important to many, the 1080p projector that produces the brightest image in it's brightest mode"

Now we have the review from Shane and UltimateAV stating "Compared to the better, and to be fair, more expensive 1080p projectors I've seen the Epson's image is noticeably softer and while the blacks are excellent the light output is noticeably dim. " That is followed later by "However, I can't downplay that its primary shortcoming- that soft image- is one that might well hold the trump card for many potential buyers."


Now I have seen the most of the 1080P contenders demoed many times (excepting the RS1, which, frankly, I can't afford anyway). Certainly, the Pearl and Epson I have seen the most as they were my two finalists. If the Epson is dimmer than the Pearl, and the Pearl is sharper than the Epson, then apparently pigs are flying too! That's about as believable. Surely, the Pearl has better contrast, but to say it's both brighter and sharper than the Epson should be a mistake only Stevie Wonder could make!

Again, please note earlier when I led off this post announcing my respect for this reviewer and UltimateAV. I have to "believe" they saw what they claim. My real concern now is whether Epson has compromised the standards of recent production in order to meet the much lower price points such that the performance is truly suffering to this degree.

Any other possible explanation???



John