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post #931 of 1183
The last two weeks 30 Rock has looked REALLY soft and dark. TWC, Columbus. It has to be something new with the show because The Office and Parks and Rec have looked fine.
post #932 of 1183
It's likely it's permanently softer because Tina is aging rapidly, her makeup isn't even really hiding it well anymore.
post #933 of 1183
It was a bit dark here too via Dish ... but VERY funny. I LOL'd at Jenna's generic benefit song!!
post #934 of 1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Lococco View Post

It's likely it's permanently softer because Tina is aging rapidly, her makeup isn't even really hiding it well anymore.

Tina has not been afraid to look bad on many of the episodes so I am not sure she would care that much that she looks like a normal woman around her age.
post #935 of 1183
Any woman willing to "snart" on TV isn't all that concerned with how the camera makes her look.
post #936 of 1183
I don't know that Tina is "aging rapidly". She seems to be on a normal pace, consistent with her age and gender. Still looks pretty good, actually. She doesn't seem like the type to fall into the plastic surgery trap.
post #937 of 1183
Yeah, the absurdity that Tina is "aging rapidly" and is vainly trying to cover that by dimming the lights is just as funny as most jokes on the show.
post #938 of 1183
tina has had a wildly successful career based on her comic writing and
acting talents, not her looks.

the only time her looks have been a factor is when sarah palin received the
vice-presidential nomination.
post #939 of 1183
And for what its worth, the show has been dark via Directv in the Seattle area for two seasons now.
post #940 of 1183
I'm a fan of Tina's, But I only find her mildly funny most of the time, and she is no comedic genius or great writer by any stretch. I do find her to be pretty hot, and that's essentially the only reason I watch her.
She is getting old, and is pretty plain without makeup, if this floats your boat, good for you.
LL
post #941 of 1183
She's cute. And as with everyone, she's getting older. Who are you? Benjamin Button?

And comedy is subjective obviously, and we can disagree on her comedy. I think she's brilliant. Her slew of awards and accolades would indicate others agree. I'm sure there's also a great many people that don't enjoy her humor.
post #942 of 1183
Anyone in the messages above who thinks Tina has been trying to hide her age can certainly put that to rest after this week's show. She wasn't afraid to show her body for what it is.

Best gag by far was the voice activated TV. I fell off my couch laughing with the 'crap'/Kardashians one.
post #943 of 1183
Yeah, either Tina reads this forum or it was just fortuitous timing to have an episode in which she's half naked this week. Also loved the voice activated TV, and they gave enough time between him saying 'crap' and the show coming on to mentally guess a ton of NBC shows. I like their choice.

Sounds like Matt Damon returns this week.
post #944 of 1183
I thought this was the best episode in quite some time. Much less of the mugging between Tina and Alec, and Jack got funnier material too.
post #945 of 1183
His boss now is basically Kenneth.
post #946 of 1183
her abs looked tighter last season:
post #947 of 1183
The whole Canadian American bit was classic.
post #948 of 1183
Yeah, their daughter must be born in the U.S. so she can be president....................


Unless your child is born in Kenya






Love this show
post #949 of 1183
I enjoyed half the episode. The half in Canada. Loved all the jokes at Canada's expense, but I couldn't stand the stuff on the plane. Also interesting how the method they've taken to removing Tracy from the show for a bunch of episodes (he's in need of a kidney transplant in real life I believe).
post #950 of 1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

I enjoyed half the episode. The half in Canada. Loved all the jokes at Canada's expense, but I couldn't stand the stuff on the plane. Also interesting how the method they've taken to removing Tracy from the show for a bunch of episodes (he's in need of a kidney transplant in real life I believe).


My kids felt the same way about the last ep.

The Canadian jokes were hilarious. Extra bones in their bodies
and a 700 word dictionary. Traveling with meth makers since
nothing is manufactured in America anymore.

However the best part about Liz and Carrill is that it is such an
atypical role for Matt Damon, Mr. Bourne if you please.
post #951 of 1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by estoniankid View Post

My kids felt the same way about the last ep.

The Canadian jokes were hilarious. Extra bones in their bodies
and a 700 word dictionary. Traveling with meth makers since
nothing is manufactured in America anymore.

However the best part about Liz and Carrill is that it is such an
atypical role for Matt Damon, Mr. Bourne if you please.

Jack: I'll just call 9-1-1
Canadian: That would be 2-5-2 here.
Jack: No. I won't be doing that.
post #952 of 1183
Did anyone else think this was quite a bit edgier than 30 Rock does?
post #953 of 1183
It seemed a bit funnier than 30 Rock has been for some time, it and the previous show.

Tracy has been through some serious surgery. Maybe this has affected the writers' outlook in some way or other.
post #954 of 1183
TV Notes
How to Fix an Aging '30' Rock? Add a New Female Lead
By Maureen Ryan, AOL.com's 'TV Squad' - March 10th, 2011

'30 Rock' has gone from a show that used to land on my annual Top 10 list to a program that isn't on my weekly must-see list. Don't get me wrong, I haven't given up on it. I watch it at least a half a dozen times each season and usually come away at least mildly entertained, but '30 Rock' is like that old college buddy you run into at a party. We used to have so much in common, but Liz Lemon and I have simply grown apart.

If '30 Rock' doesn't want to fade quietly into the twilight, I think the show needs to shake things up at this stage. Certainly it could stand some alterations in the cast department.

I'll get to who I think should go in a minute, but first, a few thoughts on why it's been easy to drift away from the comedy.

It's not a hard and fast rule, but I tend to fall harder for shows that give me someone to root for. We don't root for the characters on '30 Rock,' not really. We watch the writers put them through their paces, and sometimes those paces are very amusing. Still, and I truly do not mean this as a dis, the characters are essentially unchanging live-action cartoons. On 'Parks and Recreation' or 'How I Met Your Mother,' the characters' lives change over time, and it's easy to get invested in their potential fates.

On '30 Rock,' there's the appearance of change, but whether or not Jack Donaghy is married and whether or not Liz Lemon is in a relationship, these people essentially stay the same over time. These cartoon people can be incredibly funny (witness Jack's "I am a protein" speech from a few months back), but at this point, their parameters are well known, if not predictable. I can't say I'm drawn to the show for the characters themselves.

When the characters' lives and fates aren't the draw, the jokes become the main reason to tune in. As most critics have noted, '30 Rock' hit a rough patch in its fourth season when it came to the funniness of the show, but even before that, certain storylines started to feel repetitive, and the go-to paradigms of '30 Rock' became ever more obvious. Generally speaking, Jack Donaghy (Alec Baldwin) triumphs in some way, shape or form, over whatever challenges he encounters; if Liz Lemon (Tina Fey) triumphs in any way, those victories come about despite her self-defeating tendencies and low self-esteem.

Once you've seen those kinds of story a few dozen times, they become less amusing, though the show can still demonstrate cleverness on a structural level, as it did with a pleasing recent episode that paid homage to 'Murder on the Orient Express.'

My issues with '30 Rock,' such as they are, could be summed up as problems of scale. Perhaps it's a reflection of creator Tina Fey's long history at Chicago's Second City and on 'Saturday Night Live,' but the show really shines when it comes to wordplay, satire and goofy tableaux. There are certain phrases, scenes and set pieces that are subversively entertaining and surreally daffy, but these things are, by their very nature, small in scope.

'Parks and Recreation,' HIMYM and 'Cougar Town' are also silly and goofy at times, but they also explore compelling ideas about friendship and love. '30 Rock' just doesn't appear interested in those kinds of life issues, though the weirdly close relationship between Jack and Liz occasionally takes on hints of depth.

Still, when it comes to larger ideas or bigger concepts, the show often retreats or runs out of gas. Remember Liz's plan to adopt a baby? There was a throwaway line from Kenneth recently in which he noted that Liz's mailbox was stuffed with old adoption literature. But for the most part, the show flails when it comes to taking on anything larger than corporate stupidity or Tracy's latest meltdown.

Take 'TGS Hates Women,' the show's attempt to examine the problems faced by women in comedy and the lack of gender balance in comedy writing rooms. It's not that there weren't some sincere attempts to take on the subject, but they were all over the map and aspects of the story didn't even make logical sense. Would Liz really hire a woman she'd never met to write for 'TGS?' If that writer was wearing a disguise to throw her abusive ex off her trail, why did it have to consist of a miniskirt and pigtails? The storyline featuring Chloe Grace Moretz was decent (and I hope we see her character again), but that doesn't make up for the episode's other deficiencies.

It's not that I expected '30 Rock' to solve the problems of women in the comedy realm, but to have the episode end with the show more or less indicating the idea that the problem is unsolvable was weak and dispiriting. Ultimately, 'TGS Hates Women' was a disappointingly incoherent and timid look at an interesting topic. Given that Fey clearly knows so much about the subject (and has written compelling pieces about it for the New Yorker here and here), I expected much more, not just an ungainly one-and-done look comedy's female trouble.

If you want a strong, coherent point of view, '30 Rock's' gleeful trashing of NBC's Kabletown merger has been consistently hilarious. '30 Rock' generally excels when it bites the hand that feeds it, whether it's via Jack's weird management style or any number of swipes at NBC's programming (the 'Gals on the Town' sitcom parody from a while back was particularly inspired). When '30 Rock' takes aim at corporate suits and celebrity entitlement, it's at its most confident and savagely funny.

Having said that, there can be such a thing as too much celebrity entitlement (and no, I'm not talking about Charlie Sheen again). I've never had much time for Jenna, and at this point, I'm not sure '30 Rock' needs two self-absorbed thespians who are constantly acting out and making life hell for Liz. Tracy and Jenna's storylines often feel redundant and repetitive, but Tracy Morgan's deadpan line delivery and wackadoo sweetness are still pleasing five seasons in. Jenna's relentless idiocy and narcissism -- not so much.

This is an aging show that could use some fresh blood. Why not get rid of Jenna and bring in a new cast member for 'TGS'? Maybe 'TGS' could hire an actress (or writer) who is not an airhead -- or maybe she could be an airhead with good ideas. Or the character could simply be a clever and funny addition to 'TGS,' and could act as a sounding board for Liz (which appeared to be the idea behind the character way back in the day). The show certainly doesn't need another childish weirdo Liz has to control.

Truth be told, Liz is part of the reason '30 Rock' has been less than satisfying in recent seasons. It'd be a relief to have a female character on the show who could provide a counterpoint to '30 Rock's' constant need to point out that Liz is, in many arenas, a loser.

Bringing in a new female character might not solve the problems of women in comedy. But it might shake things up for one comedy in need of some new targets.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2011/03/10/30...ina-fey-women/
post #955 of 1183
As much as I used to enjoy reading Mo Ryan's work in the Trib, based on this piece, I can see why they let her go...
post #956 of 1183
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking things were getting much less amusing as of season 4. I'm somewhat encouraged by the last several shows.
post #957 of 1183
I agree with ryan and have not been liking the show as much as before. I really enjoyed the orient express episode.
post #958 of 1183
I've continued to find Jack and Tracy hilarious this season, but Liz has been grating on me. Too damn neurotic lately.
post #959 of 1183
Its really Alec Baldwin who keeps the show interesting. If Tina Fey disappeared from the show I wouldn't notice.
post #960 of 1183
I have enjoyed this show this season. Don't get the hate.

Alec Baldwin makes the show great.
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