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post #31 of 1655
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I'm desperate to get this thead to page 2 because page 1, while helpful, is kind of out of control with pictures and slow download times... So let me say that I think $3000 is going to be the sweet spot for 50-52" TVs at the time SED ships -- today the leading brands MSRP up to $5000 or so for Sony.

At 55 inches, SED is going to be "almost" as big as the 57s and 58s while, which are going to be around $5000 at SEDs into...

Just some food for thought.


Those displays might be cheaper at the time of SED's arrival and they better because who's going to want to buy one after seeing SED.

Again I advise, buy cheap now, don't get an overpriced plasma or LCD set just because it has "Full 1080p" on it.
post #32 of 1655
Thread Starter 
AHHHHHhhhh

made it to page 2
post #33 of 1655
I don't know if this was posted yet...this is a long thread but here it is anyway...

Canon Inc., Toshiba Corp. and their joint venture SED Inc. are exhibiting a 55-inch SED panel at the "FPD International 2006" in Pacifico Yokohama convention center. It is a so-called "full HD" panel featuring 1920 x 1080p resolution as with the one showcased at the "CEATEC JAPAN 2006."

The contrast ratio is reported to be 100000:1, while that of the model presented at the CEATEC JAPAN 2006 was 50000:1. "The performance improves day by day. It's not that we have revamped something in particular," says an SED demonstrator. Video images that aims to highlight the contrast ratio of 100000:1 are also displayed.

SED's booth is situated apart from the general exhibition hall, which is on the first floor. The companies have installed three panels in the same layout that resembles a theater as in the CEATEC exhibition at the Annex Hall on the second floor. The theater can hold up to approx. 100 people. The companies shake up the audience three times an hour.

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061019/122482/
post #34 of 1655
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Originally Posted by FlawlessOne View Post

I don't know if this was posted yet...this is a long thread but here it is anyway...

Canon Inc., Toshiba Corp. and their joint venture SED Inc. are exhibiting a 55-inch SED panel at the "FPD International 2006" in Pacifico Yokohama convention center. It is a so-called "full HD" panel featuring 1920 x 1080p resolution as with the one showcased at the "CEATEC JAPAN 2006."

The contrast ratio is reported to be 100000:1, while that of the model presented at the CEATEC JAPAN 2006 was 50000:1. "The performance improves day by day. It's not that we have revamped something in particular," says an SED demonstrator. Video images that aims to highlight the contrast ratio of 100000:1 are also displayed.

SED's booth is situated apart from the general exhibition hall, which is on the first floor. The companies have installed three panels in the same layout that resembles a theater as in the CEATEC exhibition at the Annex Hall on the second floor. The theater can hold up to approx. 100 people. The companies shake up the audience three times an hour.

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061019/122482/

Thanks for that link you posted. Looking at those pics, SED is just to die for isn't it?

100,000-1 baby!!
post #35 of 1655
...I still see scan lines in photos. Scan lines!!! I thought having separate "guns", this would be avoided.

Love the contrast. But laugh at the demos... (low-res net video...come on..that is just impractical).

Can't wait to see one in a store!
post #36 of 1655
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Originally Posted by uzombie View Post

...I still see scan lines in photos. Scan lines!!! I thought having separate "guns", this would be avoided.

Love the contrast. But laugh at the demos... (low-res net video...come on..that is just impractical).

Can't wait to see one in a store!

Are you serious!! I dare you try to find fault with SED
post #37 of 1655
Are all the SED demonstrations to date held in dark rooms. it would appear that they are. Why is that. People do watch TV during the daytime. Is this designed to be strictly a nocturnal creature?.
post #38 of 1655
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Are all the SED demonstrations to date held in dark rooms. it would appear that they are. Why is that. People do watch TV during the daytime.

Do they? I'm mainly watching at night. Movies at daytime are no fun. No atmosphere...
post #39 of 1655
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

Do they? I'm mainly watching at night. Movies at daytime are no fun. No atmosphere...

OK: Someone is watching all that Oprah and Rachael Sting-Ray dreck. Still does not answer what I was wondering about, have they done daylight demos. Would be nice to know how they handle reflections etc.

You need to move to the North Pole, and that way you will have ample night viewing conditions.
post #40 of 1655
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You need to move to the North Pole, and that way you will have ample night viewing conditions.

Or none at all
post #41 of 1655
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

Do they? I'm mainly watching at night. Movies at daytime are no fun. No atmosphere...

They are trying to demonstrate true PQ and that's best done in a dark enviornment. No videophile watches his/her display in a light house. Leave the Best Buy & Circuit City settings at the store.
post #42 of 1655
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

Do they? I'm mainly watching at night. Movies at daytime are no fun. No atmosphere...

A lot of football is played during the day and early evening when the sun goes down.
post #43 of 1655
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061019/122482/

55" SED display ... wonder how close these truly are to mass production/consumer market.. hmm, curious..
post #44 of 1655
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Originally Posted by GooglyBear View Post

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061019/122482/

55" SED display ... wonder how close these truly are to mass production/consumer market.. hmm, curious..

Toshiba's Chairman said they are hoping, wishing, expecting to have them ready for the Beijing Olympics....August 2008....
post #45 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Thanks for that link you posted. Looking at those pics, SED is just to die for isn't it?

100,000-1 baby!!

Auditor, only you could look at mediocre pictures and declare this the best technology ever....amazing!
post #46 of 1655
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Originally Posted by uzombie View Post

...I still see scan lines in photos. Scan lines!!! I thought having separate "guns", this would be avoided.

Love the contrast. But laugh at the demos... (low-res net video...come on..that is just impractical).

Can't wait to see one in a store!

Yup. There have been a number of pictures that have shown a blanking bar whenn the photo was shot. You'll never see that with plasma or LCD. So yes indeedy, SED will not be free of warts. Oh, and can anyone spell 'burn-in'? But some will continue to proclaim this the best ever when unit 1 hasn't even rolled off the production line.
post #47 of 1655
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Are all the SED demonstrations to date held in dark rooms. it would appear that they are. Why is that. People do watch TV during the daytime. Is this designed to be strictly a nocturnal creature?.


Basically because SEDs (like plasmas) can't compete with LCDs in bright rooms. Ooops, is this another wart on the 'perfect' technology?
post #48 of 1655
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Originally Posted by bwclark View Post

Toshiba's Chairman said they are hoping, wishing, expecting to have them ready for the Beijing Olympics....August 2008....

what is interesting, to me, about that newsbreaking info is...
the facts:
-there's a formfactor already
-there's sizes already
-it's been produced, ALREADY

basically.. the things are READY.. it's just the mass-production now and the market strategy/business plan/etc etc that has to be done before they start rolling out SED set's I'm assuming 55" and beyond... but the fact that's already there and...

I'm just surprised is all.. VERY surprised, I thought this technology would be like 2 years away from what y'all been talking about.. I know I've heard of a mobile Sony appliance (PDA? phone?) in Asia that used SED now but it's only around 4" or so..

to see this unveiling of a 55" SED set is just very interesting to me and makes me wonder how far along in the timeline it truly is

edit: oops, seems my posted link was already posted :P my apologies
post #49 of 1655
"basically.. the things are READY"

I thought you were joking, but you seem to be serious.

Something that can't be mass produced is not ready.
post #50 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

They are trying to demonstrate true PQ and that's best done in a dark enviornment. No videophile watches his/her display in a light house. Leave the Best Buy & Circuit City settings at the store.

I guess one can't be a sports fan and a videophile.
post #51 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Yup. There have been a number of pictures that have shown a blanking bar whenn the photo was shot. You'll never see that with plasma or LCD.

Actually LCDs *WILL* show a blanking bar, as soon as scanning backlights are being used.
post #52 of 1655
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Originally Posted by GooglyBear View Post

what is interesting, to me, about that newsbreaking info is...
the facts:
-there's a formfactor already
-there's sizes already
-it's been produced, ALREADY

basically.. the things are READY.. it's just the mass-production now and the market strategy/business plan/etc etc that has to be done before they start rolling out SED set's I'm assuming 55" and beyond... but the fact that's already there and...

I'm just surprised is all.. VERY surprised, I thought this technology would be like 2 years away from what y'all been talking about.. I know I've heard of a mobile Sony appliance (PDA? phone?) in Asia that used SED now but it's only around 4" or so..

to see this unveiling of a 55" SED set is just very interesting to me and makes me wonder how far along in the timeline it truly is

edit: oops, seems my posted link was already posted :P my apologies

I'm willing to bet we won't see any SED FPs at the B&Ms during 2007.
post #53 of 1655
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Something that can't be mass produced is not ready.

Rogo, did you really mean this? Or did you mean to say...Something that is not being mass produced is not ready.
post #54 of 1655
Tatung Chairman, WS. Lin announced at FPD International 2006, held this week in Japan, that they will be working with Toshiba on SED panels. Tatung is the largest shareholder in Chinese Co. CPT. That is all I have seen about it, so far. Looks like they may build future plants in China.
post #55 of 1655
Again: Just a simple inquiry, just needs a simple reply, not a lot of defensive rants about peoples viewing habits:

Has the latest SED full HD 55inch panel being demonstrated outside of dark room conditions, and if some one has seen such a display, how did it look. Did it have any reflection problems or any other viewing problems that you noticed?.
post #56 of 1655
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I'm willing to bet we won't see any SED FPs at the B&Ms during 2007.

You would probably win that bet considering the fact that Toshiba has already projected 2008 as a release time for SED in the USA.
post #57 of 1655
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Originally Posted by ball3r View Post

I guess one can't be a sports fan and a videophile.

You can be a sports fan and a videophile yes, but no true videophile watches his or her display with light all kinds in the room. That is why professional caibrator never calibrate set with uncontrolled ambient light.
post #58 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Auditor, only you could look at mediocre pictures and declare this the best technology ever....amazing!

You are not taking note of the same things I seeing. I'm know that those pics aren't truly represenative of the greatness of SED, however I can get what they are demonstrating at the show, the tremendous blacks as a result of the incredible contrast ratio. Today's Plasmas and LCD's, even the ones costing $12,000 to $16,000, improved as they might be, they still glow in the dark.
post #59 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

You are not taking note of the same things I seeing. I'm know that those pics aren't truly represenative of the greatness of SED, however I can get what they are demonstrating at the show, the tremendous blacks as a result of the incredible contrast ratio. Today's Plasmas and LCD's, even the ones costing $12,000 to $16,000, improved as they might be, they still glow in the dark.

Auditor, my point was that your post clearly implied those pictures demonstrated the 'greatness' of this technology. It clearly didn't. There have been many misleading pictures related to many technologies that never made it. The ONLY way to tell how good this technology may be, is to see the following:

* Overall picture quality of a full production model SED
* SEDs in dark environments
* SEDs in bright environments
* SED's resistance to burn-in (more, less or similarly affected as other technologies?)
* SED's actual lifetime expectancy on production models
* SED's final cost and price competitiveness with other technologies that are improving and will continue to improve

I could go on, but that's enough for now. It is these real issues, not judging an entire technology from a tiny screen shot, that will judge how good/bad this new technology is. That is the only realistic approach to determining success....certainly not declaring a winner when unit 1 hasn't shipped.
post #60 of 1655
I thought this thread was supposed to be for actual information....not bickering and conjecture....?
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