Official SED NEWS & Technology Thread Part 2! - Page 3  

Simply put, I believe there are some that don't want see SED make it. I constantly see misinformation being spread around this forum regarding SED. Not only is this thread about SED information, its also a discussion thread for those who are enthusiastic about SED technology and love the idea of that a manufacturer like Toshiba is actually making a display that will fulfill all of our needs.

We don't know what the full production lines are going to look like, but much like most display technolodies, the production lines are usually better than the prototypes, I don't expect SED to be any different.

I don't know how SED is going to look in a bright enviornment, if it is reflective, that might be a deal breaker for some. But for me, I don't care about reflection because I personally would never have set in room where I could not control to the lighting.

However, I have reason to believe that SED is going to score high in all areas, especially in the black level deparment. There are folks who witnessed SED and have given testimony, some of which have been posted in the ongoing SED discussion thread, and each every time we get comment such as " there is nothing that can touch SED' " SED is on a different planet" .

I have no reason to doubt the testimony being given by these folks. We at least know that SED's blacks will be superior to all current fixed pixel display technology being massed produced today.

That fact and that fact alone should make you excited. Since digital displays have touched down upon us, they have given us many things to like about them, but one thing that has and continue to bedevil them is lack of great blacks and or poor contrast ratio. Even Dr. Raymond Soneira in his display technology shoot-out essay and report concluded it by stating that the contrast ratio needs to improve.

For over 50 years CRT represented the reference standard, other newer digital display technologies did things well, but they were always considered secondary to a finely tuned CRT display. You know this as well as I do.

As the end of CRT era is upon and reign of flat panel displays comes in, the creation of SED is an attempt to breath new life into a venerable display technology that has served us well for many years. Taking the concepts derived from CRT technology and putting them into flat panel form is what SED is about, with that in mind, I have high hopes for SED.

Either Rogo knows something we don't (as is often the case) or it was a Freudian slip...

When they hit the stores, there will be reflections off the glass.
There will also be green reflections off the phosphor.

I'd say only a tiny minority of people watch in near darkness a majority of the time.
Given its stingy power use, though, hope it works out.
Encouraging to finally see a 55".

I'm pretty sure what I wrote reads correctly in English.

If it can't be mass produced, it's not ready.

I'm feeling like some of you are reading too far between the lines. I'm not saying it won't be mass produced in the future. I'm saying that right now it can't be mass produced.

Which means they will be selling them at Wal*Mart too.
I did not know that, OK; I'll double those odds then.

What is your source for that. I know that they announced at CEATEC that they were going to first market them in Japan, and were aiming to be on the market for the 2008 Summer Olympics. Where did you see that they were aiming to release SED in the USA in 2008?.

http://news.com.com/Toshiba+set+to+b...=st.rc.targ_mb

Starting in Japan in late 2007!!

A full production in 2008.

Blu-ray, HD DVD, SED Star At CEATEC

By Greg Tarr, STAFF
(TWICE) _ Chiba, Japa The rollout of next-generation Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD recorders, and new advances in flat-panel TV technologies helped color the 2006 CEATEC Expo, held here last week.

An estimated 200,000 people were expected to visit the exhibition over its five-day run, which would best last-year's attendance, which topped 199,680 people. Approximately 807 exhibiting companies 283 from outside Japan are presenting products this year, as show organizers look to become more competitive with rival international electronics shows, including Germany's IFA, which went to an annual schedule for the first time this year.

Among the day one highlights was the unveiling of the first working 55W-inch surface-conduction electron-emitter display (SED) flat-panel HDTV set, which is scheduled to be manufactured for the Japanese consumer market by joint developers Canon and Toshiba late in 2007. The products could be available in the United States in 2008, company representatives said.

At this rate its possible I could be watching 2008 election day covergage on new SED display.

Man its true that good things come to those who wait

One can't know this until one is no longer waiting. If one waits long enough, all waiting will come to an end. Is that a good thing? One can't know this until one is no longer waiting.

I need you to provide proof that this is always the case. How about you try and prove it this way: Wait a mere 100 days before you eat or drink anything at all, and see if at the end of the 100 days what comes to you turns out to be a good thing. A very Godot to you Mate!

Thank you for a bit of common sense! So the bottom line is we are yet another year away (assuming no further delays...which is still quite possible).

I want to drink the SED kool-aid. I really do. I just can't.

What I have trouble with is the lack of available information about available screen dimensions in order to make an informed decision. To me that means that we could be five or more years away before large sizes emerge. I realize that is a guess, but so is everything else I have read about this soon-to-be-produced product.

When will there be a 60"?
How about a 70"?
Is an 80" even possible?

My point is, I don't care how stupendous a 55" or so sized screen looks because it will never work in my intended room with my viewing habits. So for me, I am destined to invest in available technolgies that suit my lifestyle. In the realm of tv watching that means 70" or better. So for now, I will invest in a 70" SXRD and hope that a 70" or bigger SED is available at some point in the future. I'm hoping that occurs sooner rather than later.

Only problem is, hope isn't a strategy.

Ken - I've been wondering.

You've been quite pessimistic in these SED threads.

I am just trying to understand - no disrespect - how much of your pessimism is based on the understandable doubt about the new, unproven technologies (like SED), and how much is based on the fact that if SED will be all that it promises to be, you'll have to throw both your (expensive) Fujitsus out the window?

Me, I'll be more than happy to throw my Panny out the window if SED turns out what it promises to be.

I'll do it in a second, because in my very humble opinion, plasma is one huge compromise when it comes to PQ.

That's why I can't wait for SED.

Maybe Fujitsu is in another world compared to Panny, but I doubt it. I saw a few of them in the stores.

Same dreck.

I can't stand plasma, really.

I am happy for you that you love your Fujitsu, but why are you pessimistic regarding SED PQ?

Seems like Japanese propaganda - in reality, a last ditch effort - and a pathetic one -
to make it appear that Japan still leads in TV technology.

Korea has them beat on LCD (I consider the latest SHARP LCDs (a big dollar Japanese gamble) a failure .

What gimmick have they got left ? Looks like it's SED

Light output of SEDs is lower than LCDs and their Color Gamut is inferior - In fact
they don't even want to talk about Color Gamut--Why ? because with phosphors,
you trade intensity for color range

^^^ Ignorant statement.

"You are very wise, and my people thank you for your support. Japan very backward". Kim Jong Il

2008, huh? Oh well, I may as well start saving in a change jar. Should be able to afford a nice one by then.

The Dismal state of Japan's Big Hitters:
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SHARP : Gambled on domestic LCD production (A valiant idea but Samsung LCDs are better)

SONY : Not investing in SED (Smart), Abandoning Plasma (Smart), Using Samsung LCDs (Smarter than Sharp)

PANASONIC: Betting big on Plasma (Desperate & Dumb)

PIONEER: Betting big on Plasma (Doomed)(Falling market share as prices drop)

CANON: Still throwing money at SED (Just plain Dumb)

TOSHIBA: Throwing money at SED (Desperate)(After losing DLP sales to the superior Samsung)

Too many manufacturers; shakeout & bankruptcies coming.

Boy,
I am now really anxious to hear Rogo's take on your post.
Bish

So, I'm beginning to get a hint that you may like LCDs...?

Seriously, I don't care if SED takes over the world, I just want to be able to buy one myself.

Rogo is an SED Skeptic--So is Sony

Luv 'em ! - Brighter and wider Color Gamut than SED could ever dream of
And with dynamic LED backlighting, Blacks down to cut-off.

Phosphor illumination might have been a good idea in 1950 when the Shadow Mask Color Kinescope was being developed , but not today.

I thought Ken raised some valid points. I also wonder about the longevity of the SED vs LCD and plasma. What is the energy consumption of SED compared to LCD and plasma? How would one compare the response time SED 1msec vs LCD 6msec and how that impacts watching sports programming for instance? SED sounds very promising and wish it were available much sooner. Best advise may be to buy cheap now as the future will be very interesting.

I don't understand why people are so concerned about power consumption. It's single-digit dollar figures to run any TV for very extended periods of time.

I find the analysis of Japan's heavy hitters at best amusing. Perhaps I ought to leave it at that.

As for power consumption, let me say that as a "greenie" it matters to me. Being wasteful is no longer particularly interesting to me and affects my purchasing decisions on a lot of products -- cars, computers, TVs. It doesn't mean I'm living in darkness or freezing my butt off, but we make most of our power with solar here and we try to use it judiciously.

For those of us who live on the cold, snowy northeast... global warming is a good thing.

Is this really the case with SED? I am not trying to be a downer here, but do we know how many prototypes were manufactured and rejected to find the screens that were finally displayed? They have had enough time to do it.

On the other hand, you are correct SED does hold allot of promise in the FPD field. But Ken is right, testing needs to be done to look at the limits, faults and the improvements over existing tech.

It is good to see that they have produced a 55, shows some progress.

I hear what you're saying and I certainly respect it. It's just that a TV running at 300 Watts of power consumption vs. say 150 Watts is a very small consideration compared to stoves, clothes dryers, hot water heaters, window and external structure insulation, esspecially automobiles, and even speaker amplifiers that it doesn't really affect the big picture. I guess every little bit counts and if you don't do the little things you might not do the big ones either...

I believe that sums it up nicely Plus you multiply every "little bit" by 300,000,000 Americans and that bit isn't so little Even on an individual level say SED saves you even $1/day of power. Over a year that's $365