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post #241 of 3473
hey just to let you know if you read the last few posts you would see that sharp has new sets to replace the ones with banding coming in january sometime...which would lead me to belive the have changed the manufacturing process and or refined it.So i would safely say it will be resolved.
post #242 of 3473
If this issue was fixed, sharp would be the first one to tell you. This has cost them a shitload of money. Look how many people in this thead are saying "I'm an ex-potential d62 buyer and now a potential d92 buyer". That's a problem. Sharp doesnt sell that many of these TVs cause they're over $3,000 (for the most part), so I'm sure selling these expensive-to-manufacture units is a top priority for them. Otherwise, it's a huge hit to the wallet for no apparent gain.

I have my doubts about the banding issue being fixed, but all we can do is hope and wait.
post #243 of 3473
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

hey just to let you know if you read the last few posts you would see that sharp has new sets to replace the ones with banding coming in january sometime...which would lead me to belive the have changed the manufacturing process and or refined it.So i would safely say it will be resolved.


There is no proof that Sharp has fixed the issue or has changed their manufacturing process.
post #244 of 3473
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Originally Posted by DrSpy View Post

There is no proof that Sharp has fixed the issue or has changed their manufacturing process.

They haven't. The "611" sets were supposed to be "fixed" as well. It's all hearsay.

So far there is no evidence that the 92Us will fare any better than their broken cousins who share the same assembly line.
post #245 of 3473
Im suprised no ones came across any 612 sets by now, the 611's were out a little under mid nov... maybe sharp stopped production on the 62s?
post #246 of 3473
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

.GOOD NEWS the banding problem is not fixable .SO new sets for sharp will be exchanged for old ones no matter when you got it..


Uh, How is that good news?

and why would they swap new sets for old sets?
post #247 of 3473
I always felt Sharp's strategy was to sell them now and fix them later, after the holiday season. No reason to hault production at this time of the year. So I'm a bit optimistic about the fix coming in January.
I am concerned about Sharp trying to recoup some of that lost revenue with all these returns and lost sales in the D92 model's price.
post #248 of 3473
I have been in the market for a 46 inch LCD and have been reading a lot on AVS. What a great resource!. I do prefer Sharp LCD (after a few visits to a local store and after looking at one in my friend's house) but have the following question for you all.

What do you guys think? Should I.....
1. Hold my breath till CES.
2. Wait for the D92 series
3. Get the D62 now (and pray to god that I dont experience banding)
4. Go the SONY way?

thx,
-M
post #249 of 3473
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Originally Posted by mektare View Post

I have been in the market for a 46 inch LCD and have been reading a lot on AVS. What a great resource!. I do prefer Sharp LCD (after a few visits to a local store and after looking at one in my friend's house) but have the following question for you all.

What do you guys think? Should I.....
1. Hold my breath till CES.
2. Wait for the D92 series
3. Get the D62 now (and pray to god that I dont experience banding)
4. Go the SONY way?

thx,
-M

I would definitely wait for CES to see how much better the d92 series is vs the d62.
post #250 of 3473
like i have said before and wont bother again to repeat after this because some of you guys just don't get it or don't want to get it.Not only have i been told this but a nother member even posted the same info on here.Customers of visions in vancouver canada have been promised new non banding non buzzing 62u tvs from sharp in january and if you phone and ask for the av manager he will tell you the same,im sure he will even put it in writing for you. If your looking for a GEEE were sorry from sharp take this tv for free with our complements Were just not worthy..pleas punish sharp as you see fit.,,good luck to you.You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink
post #251 of 3473
People are skeptical because they don't know who you are. This is the internet afterall. Don't take things so personally
post #252 of 3473
Hi Bearfun,
Thanks for the info. However, I dont know what to make out of your response. Do you mean Sharp is replacing every set that ever had a banding issue? Or is it the dealer in Vancouver who is making this happen for their customers?

(I cant believe Sharp would replace these units, if they were planning to, they would not be selling these sets exhibiting this issue in various stores.)

I am in California and noticed that COSTCO here is now carrying the 52 inch D62 (of course the costco model#), I kept staring at the set for a while and could not notice any banding tomorrow I will be heading off to BB/CC/Magnolia to see this set with a better feed of signal. I was going to jump on the 46 inch model, soon as it becomes available at Costco. If I am unlucky to receive a set with Banding issues I can always return it.
post #253 of 3473
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...1212/sharp.htm
http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/061212-a.html

LC-32GS10
LC-32GS20
resolution: 1080x1920p
contrast:1:2000
on/off response: 6ms
brightness: 450cd/m2
2xHDMI

Price: 280,000 Yen/2.5k $
post #254 of 3473
Well if this LCD does 1080p over Component it will be the Xbox360 LCD all the way.... I hope so...
post #255 of 3473
sharp.co.jp/aquos/lineup/gx2/index.html

Looks like we can think of D92 models on this line up as GX2.. I didnt understand anything except for the pics.. Its interesting to note that there is no TrueD in these specs, atleast the icons doesnt show it.

Here is the complete line up, with some models listed as NEW.

sharp.co.jp/aquos/lineup/index.html

Cheers,
Cmreddy.
post #256 of 3473
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Originally Posted by cmreddy View Post

sharp.co.jp/aquos/lineup/gx2/index.html

Looks like we can think of D92 models on this line up as GX2.. I didnt understand anything except for the pics.. Its interesting to note that there is no TrueD in these specs, atleast the icons doesnt show it.

Here is the complete line up, with some models listed as NEW.

sharp.co.jp/aquos/lineup/index.html

Cheers,
Cmreddy.

dont think so.. there wont be any 37" and 42" d92 i think.. but this website claims something different...
post #257 of 3473
Its interesting to note that the D62 type of Bezels and models are no where to be seen in Japan. May be they have altogether different models for their country. Going by this, I cannot be sure about the GX2 being the same as D92. But none the less I liked GX2 models very much.. Wishful thinking is, let they be the D92. )

cheers,
Cmreddy.
post #258 of 3473
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Originally Posted by bearfun View Post

like i have said before and wont bother again to repeat after this because some of you guys just don't get it or don't want to get it.Not only have i been told this but a nother member even posted the same info on here.Customers of visions in vancouver canada have been promised new non banding non buzzing 62u tvs from sharp in january and if you phone and ask for the av manager he will tell you the same,im sure he will even put it in writing for you.

If I deciphered your angry scrawling correctly, you're "promised" a problem-free set in January - by a source no less huge than the MANAGER of a VISIONS in BC! OMG!!!

So why should this be any different than the previous "promises" Sharp has made about pre-screening the sets before sending them out, etc? Methinks you may be in for a rude awakening.

I'll be sure to call-up and get that in-writing promise that you are sure he would give me. If he's dumb enough to open himself up to lawsuits by providing me with a signed document that guarantees I would receive a problem-free set - when the situation is something that is out of his hands - he's probably not worth listening to in the first place.
post #259 of 3473
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Originally Posted by nyleavesfall View Post

They haven't. The "611" sets were supposed to be "fixed" as well. It's all hearsay.

So far there is no evidence that the 92Us will fare any better than their broken cousins who share the same assembly line.

As I've said before this problem has nothing to do with the new Kameyama line and offers no suspicion it will affect the D92 series. Sharp outsources the BLU in the panel just like every other manufacturer on earth does and chose a supplier who uses a poor prism design from Chi Mei that's meant to save money but results in these bands. Switching the BLU to another supplier/design will eliminate the problem. The lcd panel itself which is what's manufactured by Sharp at Kameyama is fine.
post #260 of 3473
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Originally Posted by Xcalibur_255 View Post

As I've said before this problem has nothing to do with the new Kameyama line and offers no suspicion it will affect the D92 series. Sharp outsources the BLU in the panel just like every other manufacturer on earth does and chose a supplier who uses a poor prism design from Chi Mei that's meant to save money but results in these bands. Switching the BLU to another supplier/design will eliminate the problem. The lcd panel itself which is what's manufactured by Sharp at Kameyama is fine.

Are we to take it that you alone have solved the great Sharp D62 banding mystery? If so, could you please inform Sharp of this revelation.
post #261 of 3473
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Originally Posted by TV Casualty View Post

If I deciphered your angry scrawling correctly, you're "promised" a problem-free set in January - by a source no less huge than the MANAGER of a VISIONS in BC! OMG!!!

So why should this be any different than the previous "promises" Sharp has made about pre-screening the sets before sending them out, etc? Methinks you may be in for a rude awakening.

I'll be sure to call-up and get that in-writing promise that you are sure he would give me. If he's dumb enough to open himself up to lawsuits by providing me with a signed document that guarantees I would receive a problem-free set - when the situation is something that is out of his hands - he's probably not worth listening to in the first place.

The only thing you need is a pill in fact take 2,flakes like you gives this place a bad name,stay bitter,stay out.if its not worth listening to why are you bothering to comment.Your just looking for conflict not resolution.get a life.
post #262 of 3473
thanks for you courtious Question.I was promised by a manager i have known for a long time,a nother person from this post also was told the same thing from the store,The manager had been told by his personal friend,,a sharp rep that sharp is stepping up to the plate and will exchange any sharp with defects for a new one in january sometime. the rep explained they are working out the bugs in the manufacturing process ,its a new plant and should be at full QC effiency in jan 07 sometimeThe manager said that is just good business and even if sharp did not volunteer to do so he would have refunded any purchase,his words, what are we suppose to do tell them hey you got a defective set so what deal with it.Our reputation would be mud.The sharp canada ITs a different sharp than the USA market,i don't know what they have planed.And i never stated that i knew what sharp usa or sharp canada was going to do,nor do i care all i know is im safe for a exchange.
post #263 of 3473
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Originally Posted by D92Mike View Post

Are we to take it that you alone have solved the great Sharp D62 banding mystery? If so, could you please inform Sharp of this revelation.

Believe me or don't. It doesn't matter to me either way. The misinformation that's being spread about around here doesn't benefit people though and people need to understand that the LCD panel itself does not contain the flaw. You would actually believe Sharp would come out and say the same? Of course not, it's suicide for a manufacturer to ever admit a mistake in their product design. They do exactly what Sharp is doing right now: quietly replacing sets for those who complain while providing as few details as possible.

Anybody with some knowledge of how these sets are made combined with a bit of information on current sourcing practices will arrive at the same conclusion I have.
post #264 of 3473
post #265 of 3473
3 composite inputs on these new models ?
What are they smoking in Japan these days ?

Xcal - you seem certain that the BLU is the culprit, based on the Chei Mei connection, Westy threads, BLU design without the extra diffuser, etc. Are you so certain of this?

I ask because the patterns seem unique based on the pics, at least the horizontal patterns. If it were the BLU, wouldn't there be some similarities in the banding pattern? What do you think?

If it works out that way, great, just bag the design on the 92 series and we have a respectable large LCD panel.
post #266 of 3473
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Originally Posted by mark_1080p View Post

3 composite inputs on these new models ?
What are they smoking in Japan these days ?

Xcal - you seem certain that the BLU is the culprit, based on the Chei Mei connection, Westy threads, BLU design without the extra diffuser, etc. Are you so certain of this?

I ask because the patterns seem unique based on the pics, at least the horizontal patterns. If it were the BLU, wouldn't there be some similarities in the banding pattern? What do you think?

If it works out that way, great, just bag the design on the 92 series and we have a respectable large LCD panel.


even if it is the BLU causing this, there is no indication Sharp will stop using Che Mei parts for the new D92 models.
post #267 of 3473
Quote:

So does this mean there's going to be a 37GS10, GS20??

Any news of them coming to US or Canada???????????
and when???

I know the 32 is end of January

If Sharp ships a 37inch with this series I think its safe to say that there is a 99% chance sharp is not going to produce a 37D92U,
post #268 of 3473
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Originally Posted by Xcalibur_255 View Post

As I've said before this problem has nothing to do with the new Kameyama line and offers no suspicion it will affect the D92 series. Sharp outsources the BLU in the panel just like every other manufacturer on earth does and chose a supplier who uses a poor prism design from Chi Mei that's meant to save money but results in these bands. Switching the BLU to another supplier/design will eliminate the problem. The lcd panel itself which is what's manufactured by Sharp at Kameyama is fine.

Good detective work. I'd like to see you address mark_1080p post:
"Xcal - you seem certain that the BLU is the culprit, based on the Chei Mei connection, Westy threads, BLU design without the extra diffuser, etc. Are you so certain of this?
I ask because the patterns seem unique based on the pics, at least the horizontal patterns. If it were the BLU, wouldn't there be some similarities in the banding pattern? What do you think?"
However, I don't doubt your close to being on the right track with this.

Does anyone know response time for D92?
Will the D92 have a 12 bit (or greater) video DAC?
Will the D92 have HDMI 1.3 (w/ "Deep Color")?

Thanks & looking forward for "real" info from CES!
post #269 of 3473
The answers to your spec questions will only be revealed at CES I imagine. That's why this is a speculation thread.

I do NOT want anybody to go believing I am an expert, which I am not. I just feel I have arrived at a reasonable conclusion, but based upon my knowledge of LCD panel construction the banding problem must be in the BLU. If you've ever seen an exploded view drawing of how the components of an LCD panel assemble together you'd realize it is the only component of the assembly which can explain these image artifacts. The liquid crystal panel itself is merely a light control device. I suppose it is possible to a lesser extent that the color filters used could be producing these problems, but I find it unlikely. The BLU design and the flaws that exist in large BLUs fits with the problem at hand. The diffusers simply are not masking the prism structure of the BLU effectively enough.

I would guess that it is either a quality control problem based on the knowledge that basically all BLU assembly is currently outsourced by all tv manufacturers (to 3rd party suppliers in Taiwan and China), or that it was a deliberate cost savings attempt on Sharp's part to go with Chi Mei's simlified BLU prism design which is known to have this issue. The D62 was meant to be a budget 1080p offering from the start and the BLU is a significant portion of the tv's cost. Also note that while the design comes from a Chi Mei Opto partner they are not the manufacturer of the BLU which means it could be a combination of both problems in reality. Sharp and Chi Mei have deeper ties than most people realize in both manufacturing and patent sharing/engineering design. Companies find large partners to make money more efficiently and Sharp needed a partner in Taiwan like Chi Mei. The 42" Sharp D62 model is literally a Chi Mei tv panel, of this I'm certain. It says alot about the cooperation between the two. With Chi Mei's previous BLU troubles it only adds more credibility to my theory, but I have to stress it is just my theory. I'm no expert. It just bothers me to hear people declare that the D92 have to be boycotted and that "the LCD panel" is defective due to the newness of Kameyama II because this is false information.
post #270 of 3473
Mark your calendars for the Sharp Press Release at CES 2007

Press Event Detail
Sharp Press Conference
January 7, 2007, 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM
This event is sponsored by: Sharp Electronics Corp.
Contact: Judah Zeigler judah.zeigler@sharpusa.com 201-529-8668

Link: The Source

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