Sharp Aquos LCD 2007 speculation thread: D92? TruD? HDMI 1.3? - Page 11

Do a search on trud and/or micronas.

We need a volunteer. Someone needs to test a 92 at CES using HD HQV Benchmark DVD.

"the HQV Benchmark DVD, a most powerful image quality testing tool for your next Plasma, LCD, RPTV or Front Projector HDTV. It's designed to put your HDTV, monitor, video scaler or DVD Player through a grueling video obstacle course, one that will reveal much about the quality of video signal processing in these components."

"The latest issue of Home Theater Magazine stated that the HD HQV benchmark would be available now. Unfortunately, there is still considerable work to be done on the disc before it can be released for the public, and it won't be ready until December/January. We appreciate your interest and apologize for the delay. The HD DVD version of the benchmark will be issued first,and the Blu-ray version of the benchmark will be released after that."

Hopefully even less this go round. I haven't seen much discussion about the big to do regarding LCD price fixing by Sharp, Samsung, LG and others.

It would be nice to think an investigation into the past could have some influence on prices in the future. For buyers sake.

Maybe Jan. 7 is the date the 92u will start shipping???

It's not available yet. I'm not sure that it will be for sale in time for CES.

http://www.hqv.com/benchmark.cfm

More CONS:
- No mention of something in the 37" to 42" range
- No mention of IEEE-1394 (firewire) I/O
- No mention of video outputs

FWIW, I also hate the boxy design and the high-gloss finish (I'm not wild about
the D62, either); I greatly prefer the no-nonsense design of the D90 (or Sony's
KDL-40V2500).

Time to stop waiting for the future -- I'll take delivery on the 37D90 I ordered
about 10 days ago (if/when my local dealer can get his hands on one).

LK

LK -

I checked out the PDF over at Abt Electronics, the pic shows a few more details, looks a little better than I first thought. I personally do like the d62 design better, though. It has a classic look to it.

I was hoping for a USB port to display photos as well. No such luck, looks like this is not a premium line like the 2 d7u's I have. They have it all.

I have to agree Mark if this is truly the new design it is pretty FUGLY. This would be competitive suicide as those asthetics are horrendous and look like something from 3-4 yrs ago from Sharp. I won't believe it until I see it from CES since the European Show a few months back had what is believed to be the next gen model and it sure as hell looked nothing like these crapola panels. I would prefer and hope the D92 would be what was displayed in Berlin a few months back as 1080P Premium below:

http://www.cinenow.com/uk/image-repo...30958.jpg.html

I've had my 57" for two months now and it sure the hell doesn't have any of these banding issues, I already had two Sharps and would not have believed they could provide a red any better but it does in fact with the added Red and Green actually provide striking Red's. This panel is completely built in Japan and has no banding issues as my 45" never had. I'm very happy with the panel but it still isn't big enough so I may sell it and upgrade to the next gen Sharp 65" or the Samsung 70" during the next 6 months if the D92 has the Micronas and much deeper blacks. Then if that's not big enough it's time for a FP room . I'm very pleased with the panel but disappointed it still isn't big enough - but quality HD simply is close to perfection.

Now for the Con's - I must admit that the design is dated on the 57" and much too heavy for an LCD a whopping 164 lbs - the Samsung is 20 lbs lighter and much nicer asthetically anyways - I prefer all black of my 45" model. I had to have a custom cut Lexan sheet the thing was so heavy as the Dealer posted the incorrect weight of the TV and the glass top was rated at 150lbs and I couldn't risk humpty dumpty event. In fact the weight of this thing shocked me since I can pick up my 45" by myself and carry it, it took three of us to get this thing off the floor and safely on the stand. Another issue I have with the panel is sometimes a power failure occurs or conflilcts with my HD DVD player HDMI and I get loss of picture and only sound and I discovered you have to reset the TV system but I spent 2 hours on this yesterday and this is the third time it's occurred and so I need to get on the phone with Sharp to resolve this annoyance and so I cannot truly get a calibration since any such system reset would be wiped out.

Having been an owner of an SXRD without issues and it's high CR I must admit as fantastic as this PQ can be it is no match in some respects for the details of an SXRD with HD Movies WoW factor but the wife hated the SXRD form factor - but the SXRD only won in that area - overall viewing and conditions I would take this TV as the SXRD was pathetic with SD and not as good as my Sharp with HD Sports. About the only motion issues I have with sports is NBCHD Sunday Night Football which must be compressing the signal as this does not occur on other Sports channels.

I suspect if the D92 reaches 3K:1 static CR it may match the SXRD plus if the Micronas is there and it performed as the Demo shows us it will take things that much further. Lets hope for Sharp USA the D92 can kick some butt after the pathetic history of the D62 which can be found at Overstock and that is not a good sign as they are widely known as a clearing house for what fails or overproduction. The prices are great on these but at that cost they have gone backwards with the banding issues.

As to Cable Card I think we can lay blame on the Cable operators not so much the manufacturers, perhaps if they produce a two way where the Cable Operatyors can generate revenue then it can work but it's been over two years and still no two way and the operators don't even promote it themselves and so if they look at an area to cut costs to sell lower than it seems to become expendable at least until they develop two way.

Oh well, know I'm running on but there is no owners forum for my 57" Sharp and so it's tough to exchange ideas but certainly hope it's the Euro version D92 and not these Institutional looking pathetic Japanese panels someone posted earlier. Looking forward to CES and kept my Box in the garage and got a 4 year warranty in case a 65-70" may on the horizon with all the anticipated features.

Perhaps we'll get a post from CES on this innovative triple view Sharp:

Well, I am rather ignorant when it comes to the technical aspects of HDTV, but, thought I would throw this out there.

Isn't Sharp one of the LCD companies that use a new film, I believe it is called Vikuiti (sp?), that was developed by 3M? I haven't come across a thread, so far, that has mentioned this. Could this have a chance at being the "banding" culprit? Just some "food for thought".

Please correct me if I am way off base.

Good luck, everyone.

The 3M coating has been on the Sharps for a number of years and I own a 45" and 32" and 57" with it and no banding whatsoever. Unless they changed the formula it's very unlikely - banding would be derived from the inner display not the external coating unless someone altered the formula IMO. It's an enhancement feature - enhancing what is being displayed through brightness and better viewing angles. It enhances what is being presented not altering it internally I believe.

I may eat my words, but I located a Sharp 2006/2007 pdf for the Euro models and it stated in a footnote that "truD is a registered trademark of Micronas in Germany and other countries."

(I cannot post a URL as I have not made at least 5 posts. Google this -- sharp 2006/2007 micronas. The pdf is at the top)

Hopefully our North American models will be so equiped unless Sharp now has their own version? We'll see.

dc17

"As to Cable Card I think we can lay blame on the Cable operators not so much the manufacturers"

We can lay it fully at the feet of the FCC, and probably the FTC, for not enforcing the regulations by not heavily fining the cable operators until the operators complied with the regulations rather than constantly whining and seeking extensions, and flat out ignoring them. Frankly the situation is unacceptable but since no one is having their hat handed to them we will continue to wallow in mediocrity.

If you look at the 92u Model in the PDF, you can see that it is identical to the Sharp model shown at the European show except for the fact that the bars on the top and bottom are black instead of a shiny polished chrome. I prefer the chrome look as well, but otherwise these models look exactly the same.

I hope they are not trying to recoup their lost revenues due to the poor quality on the d62's.

Hey, Westa -

Good to hear from you again, figured you were enjoying the 57" (despite its weight). Then again you don't have to carry it that often ... I thought the 57 would be a showcase for Sharp, that they would give it special care, not a mass production item.

I agree that the SXRD puts out a fantastic pic, colors and deep blacks, but alignment of subpixels not perfect as per a real panel and SSE is horrible in my viewing experience on any RPTV except those old dinosaur CRTs like the pioneer elites, which IMO put out a beautiful pic. I'd give up viewing angle any day to get rid of SSE, I would probably have an SXRD if the diffuser sheet or whatever its called was not present.

Any input on what you think this banding issue is, whether it will not appear on the d92's? Leading theory is the BLU designed by Chi Mei. This whole idea of outsourcing is Walmartizing our world, I'm pretty disgusted the way things are going. Ever since the 32d40u crap, now the Chi Mei connection and the d62 fiasco, I am suspicious of Sharp's QC. Glad at least I got the d7u's when Sharp was on top, looks like the 57 is a real Sharp as well.

[quote=mark_1080p]...outsourcing is Walmartizing...QUOTE]
Sears was spec'ing goods and outsourcing way before Walmart (most retailers are not manufactures.) The difference is Sears aimed higher and had specs for better products.

My preference would be a totally outsourced product. Start with the best glass (Sharp's new factory, or Sammy's(aka Sony)?), the best processor (that would be SO's Realta HQV, or maybe Micronas for 120Hz?), a non Sharp HDMI chip(obviously), and most other chips.

Westy's got on the map by combining street glass with Faraudja. Soon, Syntax's 7xx series will include Realta HQV. But, since I'm more interested in improving motion (vs SD), bring on the 120Hz stuff. Who's got the best 120Hz HD chip? The TV manuf'ers (Sammy, Phillips, Sharp,...) or the outsource (the chip makers like Micronics, Silicon Optix,...)?

Back to the political spin (no, I'm not a Walmart fan.) When the inheritance tax is reinstated, you can kiss the mom and pop stores goodbye.

There is no revelation in there. The Euro models already have TruD because they are operating on 50hz and at higher SD resolution. Fast moving images tend to get weird and I can see where it is needed more over there than here at the moment.

The key is "TruD". What we are all waiting for is TruHD which will support 1080P and a host of over features.

Point well taken - outsourcing name brand components can be a good thing.

Does anyone here speak Japanese and can interpret what he's saying?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ruDj83WGk

Also, in case anyone missed it, here is the IFA Berlin show in OCT. It's about 7 minutes long.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ceid=zeitgeist

This is another point of interest. Sort of like when Sony put out their initial BD films of poor quality making many wonder if BR was inferior to HD-DVD. Many wondered how QA could have miss it.

I suggest we blame Sharp's mngmt instead of QA. With such a big problem and assuming their QA department is not legally blind, Sharp must have tried to cut their losses. Making and dumping marginal product was probably an accounting decision. With engineering pissed and QA embarrassed, the bean counters were wondering what all the fuss was about.

I read somewhere in AVS that the banding would be solved in January production. I would not expect any 92s to be produced until the problem is solved. But who knows, what could be more important than counting more beans.

Now for my 2 cents. Having worked in engineering at the biggest electronics OEM in the world (29 factories spread all over the world), there is no way I would buy a new product from a new line within a month or two. If truD HD turns out to be really good, I'ld still like to wait for rev 1.1.

Whilst I agree in principle, but when TruD HD is on its second generation, there will be something else of equal value just released at 1st generation. Imo there will never be a right time to by a new LCD based on this criteria.

Graham.

I'm not sure this is the point wtr_wkr was trying to make. Sure, if one is always waiting for the next new thing, they will be waiting forever. This is especially true when it comes to computers, and I've seen it oft said on other forums.

I think the idea behind what wtr_wkr said is that if you are going to buy something that is completely new, it is best to wait until at least the initial (and inevitable) bugs are worked out before doing so. This is what I am doing right now regarding Sasktel's Max HD service where I live. It's a good idea too because there is always a chance that some of those bugs can't be resolved. Being an early adopter of anything means that more often than not you end up being an unpaid beta tester, paying good money in the process to be so. Of course, all that is easier said than done sometimes heh.

I'm inclined to agree. It seems like they may have realized the problem too late, then put them out there with their fingers crossed that people wouldn't notice/complain. Seems kind of silly, but whatever. I suppose if they manage to come up with just enough of the problem-free sets to appease the most discerning/demanding customers, they'll think they did fine. If they don't get their quality roped-in for this next round though, they are going to be in some trouble.


What it will take for me to buy a D92:

1. Banding problem resolved completely.
2. Buzzing problem resolved completely.
3. VGA source works properly with adapter/cable to DVI port (for XBox 360 purposes)


Make it happen, Sharp.

I got an official answer from Sharp about D92 series:

"They will be shipping in early January - the MSRP will be approximately $800 higher than the current D62 series."

Thanks for the update!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9204989

Another official response:

"The banding issue is not present across all D62-series units; Sharp has been aware of the problem, has corrected the issue, and is working with customers who have the problem on their D62-series models.

The D92-series does not have the issue present."

I'm really hoping this set will finally be a problem-free top of the line LCD. The Sony XBR line has clouds, and the D62 has banding.

I've gotta say, after looking at the PDF and JPG from abt electronics, I think the d92 looks better than the d62. Also, there's a fifth wavelength added to the backlight to offer "deeper greens", which is awesome!

If there is no banding or buzzing, I will definetely buy this set. No questions asked. Unfortunately that will require waiting for you fine AVS members to buy it first and try it. :P

3000:1 Contrast Ratio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

me too...

I guess 52" is the largest one in the d92 series so far. I guess I'll have to buy that one although I really would like them to update their 57" & 65" ones too. Anyone hear anything about that yet? Any speculations on how long that'll take?