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PT-AX100U or PLV Z5  

post #1 of 103
Thread Starter 
Ut oh... now what...which one do I want??
post #2 of 103
http://projectorcentral.com/ax100u_plv-z5.htm

Answer: depends on what you want/need
post #3 of 103
Interesting link. Thank you. Their Z5 review is also nice, 5-stars like AX100U. I think warranty (3years for Z5 vs 1 year for Panny), street price (1700 for Z5 vs 2000 for AX100 excluding blockbuster rebate), ease of cleaning and number of HDMI inputs (2 in Z5 vs 1 in AX100) do favor Z5 at this time.
post #4 of 103
The Z5 looks interesting, but I still think I like the AX100 better, (Disclaimer: I have that PJ on order.) One can sit closer to the screen with the Panny, almost to the same degree as a 1080 projector. And it's a light cannon with good processing. It's hard to find much to dislike about either unit, but the edge still goes with the Panny for me. But then, I have a .95 gain screen, and it's 115". So having a bright pj may be more important to me than to someone with a highpower.
post #5 of 103
Thread Starter 
I am thinking Panny so far.. as it would be brighter for outside shows once in a while.
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The reviews seem to be getting less impartial. Five stars across the board for both? Come'on.
post #7 of 103
I'm sure glad I already bought one, so I don't have to agonize about which one to buy!:D
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ugh, yeah, my panny projector is also already on order. The panny does have certain advantages that I value, but there is that price and warranty difference--plus the review indicates their preference for movies in a dark room would be the Sanyo. I also suspect that the introduction of the Sanyo will put immediate downward price pressure on Panasonic, making them closer in price within the next month or so.
post #9 of 103
The AX100 accepts 1080p/24 and 1080p/60, how about the PLV-Z5??
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I was set to get the AX100 (as soon as my wardrobes go up) but then saw this, the Z5. Now I am again undecided for the Nth time. My viewing distance will be at 10 feet, same as the throw distance. The room's only window is not large and could be blacked out pretty well if needed, which means I have no worries with regards to ambient light. The pj screen I'm going to get is one from ebay (81" diagonal, eleczric, frem zshermany) and has 1.2 gain. Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated. Factors to contend with: screen door effect (if any, at my viewing dist + screen size), the 1.2 gain, and of course, picture quality.
post #11 of 103
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98
The AX100 accepts 1080p/24 and 1080p/60, how about the PLV-Z5??
As per preliminary specifications, it accepts 1080p/60.
post #12 of 103
Yes!

The best thing about this new Sanyo projector is its street price. With a price that low it should mean that the new Panny AX100U will be offered for even less in the coming months.

Wow!
post #13 of 103
The brightness of the AX100 is something you just won't find with another projector anywhere near this price range. And that adds incredible versatility. If you don't have the perfect dark walled light controlled HT room, get the AX100 without a second thought. If you ever migrate to the perfect light controlled room you can move the 100 into another not so perfect room for a second projector.

The second thing I really like about the AX100 is that it's close to perfect calibration right out of the box. You'll see the full potential of this when you buy it without paying some guy $400 to visit your town and do a calibration.

I didn't want to upgrade until the 1080 projectors were out, but I'm torn. It sure would be nice to have all the lights on during superbowl parties instead of sending everyone into a dark room. It would also be better to be able to have lights on when people are over watching movies otherwise. It's always akward inviting people over and then turning off all the lights once they're there.

Not to mention that the extra light intensity definitely packs a wow factor even in a fully light controlled setting. The Ax100 is the only 720p projector I would consider at this point. Maybe I'll get one and wait until someone comes out with a 1080p projector with this kind of brightness. If the 100 catches on (and it has), it'll just be a matter of time.
post #14 of 103
I can't find Panny's official specifications on lamp life. AX100U has their own newly designed lamp as per projectorreviwes.com - Not sure whether brighter means less life or not necessarily(?)..
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Does the z5 have the dust cleaning holes for dust blobs?

I can't find it mentioned in any reviews??
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The new z5 looks like a great FP/Wow we all more choises now than ever,PC did not mention if the z5 would do the proper scaling for constant heights as the ax100 does.THANKS BUDDA
post #17 of 103
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Originally Posted by aurz
Does the z5 have the dust cleaning holes for dust blobs?

I can't find it mentioned in any reviews??
I'd be willing to bet that it does have the cleaning holes as it shares the same outer shell that the Z4 has, and it has them right?
post #18 of 103
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Originally Posted by buddahead
The new z5 looks like a great FP/Wow we all more choises now than ever,PC did not mention if the z5 would do the proper scaling for constant heights as the ax100 does.THANKS BUDDA
I doubt it, based on Sanyo's past projectors. Unfortunately, the AX100 doesn't support both scaling modes. It'll work for a HE lens, but not VC.
post #19 of 103
What are the db ratings on the Z5 for high and low compaired to the PT AX100 please?
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I'm a lumen junky that sits less that 1.5x the screen width away, so it's not much of a choice for me. Panasonic all the way. Secondary choice would be the Espon 400 and then the Z5 is a distant third.
post #21 of 103
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy
"The brightness of the AX100 is something you just won't find with another projector anywhere near this price range"

"The second thing I really like about the AX100 is that it's close to perfect calibration right out of the box. You'll see the full potential of this when you buy it without paying some guy $400 to visit your town and do a calibration".
Don't forget Epson TW700 which arrive soon... remember that TW600 was at least also luminous than Pana900 but especially with a better contrast; at such point that Epson TW600 represented an another alternative at the so good Sony HS60.

For the price, i don't know if you find so extraordinary price like in Paris for epson projectors...
post #22 of 103
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Originally Posted by 70MM
What are the db ratings on the Z5 for high and low compaired to the PT AX100 please?
Googling "fan noise z5", i have found a press release that state 22db, but nothing about high or low power...
Googling "fan noise ax100", i have found some links talking abaout 30/26 for Normal/Low..

[]s Humberto
post #23 of 103
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98
The AX100 accepts 1080p/24 and 1080p/60, how about the PLV-Z5??
I am getting one or the other of these before the end of this month. Please help out a newbie and explain why 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 are important? Thanks.
post #24 of 103
BRI...1080p is a high definition tv standard that will likely be the dominant standard in high def dvd players. To give a little background info, currently in the US dvd's offer 480 lines of resolution. Old dvd players sent this signal to your tv (or projector) in an interlaced fashion. I won't go into the definition of interlaced display, (somewhere on the web there is a good explanation for you) but it is inferior to a progressive display, which all newer dvd players offer. So, the best dvd standard signal was 480i ("i" for interlaced), then it went to 480p ("p" for progressive), which is a better picture. This is the highest resolution that the information on a typical dvd is encoded in.
Now we move to high def. Until recently, the only two high def formats were 720p and 1080i. 720p offers 720 lines of resolution and is progressive. 1080i offers 1080 lines but is interlaced so overall it is only slightly better than 720p. Some tv networks (in the US is all I can speak for) broadcast their high def signals in 720p, while others use 1080i.
Just on the horizon (actually just released within the past few months) is the new high definition dvd replacement standard...actually competing standards...blue-ray and hd-dvd. One or the other, or both, will eventually replace todays dvd's just as dvd's replaced vhs. Both of these standards put out 1080p. So, unless your display device can read and decode 1080p, you will not be getting the best possible picture out of your next generation dvd player. So, although you may not be buying a blue-ray or hd-dvd player any time soon, you will likely eventually be getting one, so you want any projector you buy today to be compatible with the 1080p standard.
Hope this helps,
Art T
post #25 of 103
Thanks very much Art for the excellent explanation, very informative. I have been reading a bit more about this but I am not sure about implications on picture quality if the Sanyo only has the 1080p/60 and not the 1080p/24. My primary use will be shifting toward the HD DVD source material with a suitable player as soon as I can.

I read the new players will be outputting as standard 1080p/24 meaning film material requires no pulldown. If the Sanyo operates at 1080p/60 what would the implication be for picture quality in comparison to the AX100 which does 1080p/24 (as might the Z5). Of course maybe no one knows yet for sure.
post #26 of 103
Bri59,

For an answer to your 1080p/60 or 1080p/24 question, you should look in the November edition of Home Theater Magazine page 34 (Gearworks - 1080i vs. 1080p). It explains in good detail the difference between the "60" and "24" frames per second and why that's important to todays display devices.

Hope that helps,
Mike
post #27 of 103
Everyone beat me to the punch regarding why I was asking about 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 for the PLV-Z5. The answers match my understanding and that 1080p/24 is pretty important although we're talking about 720p projectors which are going to have to scale such a signal anyway wheras if we were talking about 1080p projectors we'd definitely want it to have 1080p/24 input capability.

This PLV-Z5 vs. AX100U seems like it's all about tradeoffs. I really like that the PLV-Z5 has two HDMI inputs as I plan on connecting a DVD/HD-DVD/BluRay player with HDMI output plus an HDTV DVR with HDMI and I already have a very good audio receiver that I don't want to upgrade just to get HDMI switching. The lumens on the AX100U are a plus vs. the PLV-Z5. And ofcourse a very important consideration is price and Sanyo wins that one. Personally I'm not sensitive to SDE and don't think I'd have a problem with the PLV-Z5, I typically only notice SDE on LCD projectors I've owned on bright white areas or bright skys and then only sometimes. I love that the PLV-Z5 has a 3-year warranty vs. the chintzy 1-year warranty on the AX100U. I'm torn between the two but am leaning toward the PLV-Z5 to get me through until 1080p projectors are somewhat affordable. Speaking of that front I'm glad to see Sony's 1080p SXRD front projector out at a list price of $5K, that will surely drop as time goes on...
post #28 of 103
According to PJC they feel if your room has ambient light, go with the Panny, if you have a dark theater room, go with the Sanyo. 95% of my watching would be for movies so the Sanyo seems is the one to get at least for that one comparison online. Waiting for projectorreviews.com's thoughts and users here.
post #29 of 103
I chose Z5 over ax100 (compared the two in shop):
- less fan noise
- slightly sharper (I don't mind minor SDE)
- no iris-noise etc. (though ax100 is better than ae900 in this matter)
- two HDMI inputs
- dust cleaning holes
- lens iris to adjust lumens
- no need for those extra lumens (rather small 80" diagonal screen)
- better warranty
- historically Sanyo has better build quality than Panasonic in this Z1-5 / aex00 -class

And, I have this setup:
- 80" diagonal grey draper 0.8 gain screen
- some ambient light, but proper light control (though some white walls)
- seating distance 3.3 meters (about 1.5x the width of the screen)
- FL-DAY colour filter in front of the lens (cuts light about 30%)
- use the lens manual iris in closest possible (-63) position for dark room viewing
- use the lens iris in open (0) position for ambient light watching
- lamp in eco-mode
- settings in dynamic-imagemode, contrast -14, lamp-iris in auto1 mode, dynamic gamma in auto2 mode, all about default

And: I enjoy the image very much. Better than ae900. And there is plenty of light for my setup, and if lens iris is open, the light is enough for some ambient light viewing too.

Of course the ax100 was brighter, but it wasn't so bright that I expected (eyes works logarithmic, not linear, that's why we can see in almost total darkness and thus the bright sunlight won't make us blind, and there is much more lumens in sunglight than in ax100 ;) ). And I wasn't in need of those extra lumens.

And to sum up: I didn't want third panasonic due to build quality. I had ae700 and ae900 and BOTH did flicker in low lamp setting sooner or later (after 300 hours approxemately), and they both had iris noise that did make me crazy. Of course I could had them fixed, but I didn't want to lose my pj for months in repair.

I like in Z5:
- lens iris (manual lumen control, did hope this for ax100, because it really colud benefit the iris due to extra lumens)
- contrast is better than ae900 (and PC did say it is slightly better than ax100, but I will wait cine4home tests and measurements for actual numbers)

Please note:
- the ax100 was WAY sharper than ae900
- ax100 did not have any colour fringing around pixels when lens shift was zero (ae900 did smear the colours around pixels badly)

So I'm happy with my Z5 and I can rest my nights in peace. We only have two reported Z4 lamp blow-cases in here Finland forums (similar to this place). But we have many ae700/ae900 lamp blow-cases and flicker cases. And we have already one, who did have bad iris noise in ax100 (got it to repair). And there were one flickering ax100 in low-lamp mode here in these forums. SO: I don't trust that panasonic did so much better with ax100, so I was afraid to buy it.
Here are few threads in here, we have similar in Finland forums too:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=733870
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=524209

And I have read somewhere that the UHM type lamp isn't the most reliable type compared to UHP (Sanyo, Sony) and UHB (Hitachi) UHE (Epson). But of course there are statistical differences every time and bad and good production in different times in 'lamp factories'.
Here is a quote:
"LAMP TECHNOLOGY
There are quite a few different types of lamps. The most common lamp used today are UHP (Ultra-High Performance) lamps. There are also metal halide (UHM), ultra-high energy (UHE), ultra- high brightness (UHB), video projection (VIP), and mercury arc (NSH). UHP lamps were introduced by Philips and tend to retain their quality until the end of their useful life. UHP lamps also last longer, they require less power for the equivalent amount of brightness. On the other hand, UHM lamps tend to diminish in quality over time. UHMs offer the poorest performance and brightness out of the group we looked at." At:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/cool...82t-110000023c

But it is too early to say the build quality of z5 is better than ax100, but I was afraid to buy the pana. And I hope all ax100 owners will have a long lasting unit and the quality is better than ae700 / ae900.

And finally I say the both units did throw fantastic picture and my old ae900 is very shy to both of these Z5 / ax100 and other (epson, hitachi) this autumn same price-range projectors. And sorry for a bit messy post and slightly bad language.
Now: let's watch some movies and have popcorn :)
post #30 of 103
so basically, if i were to throw a 90" wide image from about 16feet in a room that has one large window (that kan be darkened for the most but there is always some leakage) i can still go for th Z5?
I really was under the impression that the panny was the only one that could still throw a decent image from that distance with some ambient light
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