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post #271 of 313
2/25/07 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post

Nextoo,

Burnerbum,
Here is a post about the IDE connection. Are you sure you did not do this? I have tried a direct connection without modifying the IDE and it will not work. This has been confirmed by many others. The post by Nextoo is here...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9180231

Ok, i think i see what you mean. As luck would have it, i used an old 40 pin ide cable that didn't have any nubs on it. When i connected it i just made sure the cable pins were the same. Looked at the red line on the cable and installed it the same.

However, if you look at the cable that came with the Polo, it does have nubs on it. But,,,, they reversed the one end of the cable so it's just the opposite of a standard IDE cable.

Attached is a pic of the cable that came out of the Polo, (I hope, this is my first pic post)
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post #272 of 313
2/25/07 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

Ok, i think i see what you mean. As luck would have it, i used an old 40 pin ide cable that didn't have any nubs on it. When i connected it i just made sure the cable pins were the same. Looked at the red line on the cable and installed it the same.

However, if you look at the cable that came with the Polo, it does have nubs on it. But,,,, they reversed the one end of the cable so it's just the opposite of a standard IDE cable.

Attached is a pic of the cable that came out of the Polo, (I hope, this is my first pic post)

Asked and answered.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9179223

edit - by the way the pic looks great!
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post #273 of 313
2/28/07 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

There is a firmware upgrade. I read that on here and called Toshiba to find out. The new firmware is 1100. My XS54 was on 1000. So it is on the way. I asked what it was about and was told that it included some guide improvements. Along with other general house cleaning.

I finally got through to Toshiba about the XS54. They said that the guide won't download when using ADC (All digital Cable) box and the way to get around it is to add a splitter and have the cable box go into input 1 and have the split coax go into the coax input and set the recorder up as having a cable box and antenna. He said the box doesn't know that its cable and not over the air and will download it that way. So, i ordered the 54 and will hope for the best. I'll have to check the firmware when it arrives. I'm surprised you couldn't download it through the Network Navi, that's one of the functions it's supposed to do. Or at least download it from their website.
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post #274 of 313
2/28/07 at 12:08pm
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I finally got through to Toshiba about the XS54. They said that the guide won't download when using ADC (All digital Cable) box and the way to get around it is to add a splitter and have the cable box go into input 1 and have the split coax go into the coax input and set the recorder up as having a cable box and antenna. He said the box doesn't know that its cable and not over the air and will download it that way. So, i ordered the 54 and will hope for the best. I'll have to check the firmware when it arrives. I'm surprised you couldn't download it through the Network Navi, that's one of the functions it's supposed to do. Or at least download it from their website.

Cool. I've gone back and forth on how to set it up. I had no trouble setting up TVGOS and getting it to talk to my cable STB - SA8300HD. I use input 1 into the Toshiba via s-video (from the SA8300HD through the Polaroid). Only downside to this setup is there are so many channels - 300. Which is tough to manage with TVGOS. I even have listings for all of the music channels.

The advice you got is correct. I set mine up to include the STB and an antenna. I've got cable coax from the wall into the Toshiba. This must be what is used for downloading the guide.

I have also set up TVGOS to work with just the coax cable input. This reduces the number of channels and actually makes it a bit more manageable. But I lose the ability to control the STB. With my KX50 (XS52) I could easily jump into setup and switch between STB IR control and just cable analog channels. With the XS54 it is not practical to switch between the two. It requires a complete TVGOS reinstallation. So I have found some trade offs. More flexibility with the KX50. But a guide with the XS54. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

I haven't yet decided what the final setup will be. But one thing is for sure. They are both extremely powerful machines.
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post #275 of 313
2/28/07 at 12:43pm
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I haven't yet decided what the final setup will be. But one thing is for sure. They are both extremely powerful machines.

Yes, the XS52 is more flexible when setting up recordings. But having both, we can use either. I checked out the specs on the 55 vs the 54 and the only difference is the 55 controls a sat box, (which i currently have turned off) and the 55 has a 181 channel tuner vs 125 channel on the 54. I was debating between the 2 but with these being the only difference i counld't see paying the difference. I have my receipt from the 54 that i bought last year (and returned) and paid $549.00. Boy, i'm glad i waited, i just hope the refurb is ok. It comes with a 90 waranty and Toshiba is VERY good about warranty, even with refurbs so i'm not too worried. Plus i took the 3 year extended for $17.99. I don't expect to get it until the middle of next week. It's coming from Ca to MI so it will take a week. Im just anxious to get it and get the Network Navi up again.
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post #276 of 313
2/28/07 at 1:01pm
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Yes, the XS52 is more flexible when setting up recordings. But having both, we can use either. I checked out the specs on the 55 vs the 54 and the only difference is the 55 controls a sat box, (which i currently have turned off) and the 55 has a 181 channel tuner vs 125 channel on the 54. I was debating between the 2 but with these being the only difference i counld't see paying the difference. I have my receipt from the 54 that i bought last year (and returned) and paid $549.00. Boy, i'm glad i waited, i just hope the refurb is ok. It comes with a 90 waranty and Toshiba is VERY good about warranty, even with refurbs so i'm not too worried. Plus i took the 3 year extended for $17.99. I don't expect to get it until the middle of next week. It's coming from Ca to MI so it will take a week. Im just anxious to get it and get the Network Navi up again.

I agree on how well Toshiba supports their products. I read through the XS54 thread and there are many examples - especially with TVGOS questions. When I called for the firmware upgrade disc the CS rep was located in Iowa and really understood the machine.

Also it took me 5 minutes to set up the Net Navi. Very cool. And yes you can update the firmware using the network connection. I was going to give it a try but I needed the serial number of the XS54 to move forward which wasn't handy at the time.

This machine is pretty amazing. I tend to buy behind the curve (price) so although it is a previous years model it's new to me. And the 2007 Toshibas have none of the serious technology and features that went into this one. Very pleased with the XS54 as well as the KX50.
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post #277 of 313
3/4/07 at 1:04pm
See this post concerning the IDE cable.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...8&&#post8669998
Be careful with power. I used one of these:
http://www.emtcompany.com/products/...CFTzqJAodFjlnAw

Nextoo - I read a lot of ur posts on HDD upgrade of Polaroid; I ordered the 250GB model you had sent a link for, it has not arrived it; however I am a novice and have not played around much with IDE Cables or replacing hard drives even on PCs.

What I want to do is a simple upgrade of the Polaroid HDD from the current 80 GB to 250 GB; I dont want to externalize the hard drive, nor connect a series of hard drives; also I dont want to do the IDE to USB cable stuff etc. for now.

For accomplishing changing the internal 80 Gig drive with the 250 gig drive, do I need to get new IDE cables etc? I presume "no", I can just use the one already inside the Polaroid; but if thats incorrect, please let me know what else I need to buy (ie) the exact IDE cable etc. I read ur other post mentioned above, but could not follow the "reverse IDE cable setting" from Polaroid etc. Is it important for a internal hard drive swap.

Thanks a lot for your help, appreciate it very much.
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post #278 of 313
3/4/07 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by crazytoes View Post

See this post concerning the IDE cable.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...8&&#post8669998
Be careful with power. I used one of these:
http://www.emtcompany.com/products/...CFTzqJAodFjlnAw

Nextoo - I read a lot of ur posts on HDD upgrade of Polaroid; I ordered the 250GB model you had sent a link for, it has not arrived it; however I am a novice and have not played around much with IDE Cables or replacing hard drives even on PCs.

What I want to do is a simple upgrade of the Polaroid HDD from the current 80 GB to 250 GB; I dont want to externalize the hard drive, nor connect a series of hard drives; also I dont want to do the IDE to USB cable stuff etc. for now.

For accomplishing changing the internal 80 Gig drive with the 250 gig drive, do I need to get new IDE cables etc? I presume "no", I can just use the one already inside the Polaroid; but if thats incorrect, please let me know what else I need to buy (ie) the exact IDE cable etc. I read ur other post mentioned above, but could not follow the "reverse IDE cable setting" from Polaroid etc. Is it important for a internal hard drive swap.

Thanks a lot for your help, appreciate it very much.

If you are doing a drive exchange inside the case then everything you need is already there. It is a simple process to remove the OEM dive and install the 250GB replacement. Once the case cover is off it is four screws to remove the drive with the bracket attached to the drive. Four more screws to remove the bracket from the drive. Piece of cake. Philips screwdriver is all that is required.
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post #279 of 313
3/11/07 at 9:54am
I found the following two drives at Geeks.com. The difference in the two is #1 is a
WD2500SB and #2 is a WD2500JB. Does anybody know the difference in SB and JB? The other difference is #1 is Refurbished and #2 is Factory Reconditioned, is there a difference or is that the same thing? This seems like a very good price and I would,nt mind getting a couple of these.


1. Western Digital WD2500SB 250GB UDMA/100 7200RPM 8MB IDE HDD Refurbished $62.99

2. Western Digital WD2500JB 250GB UDMA/100 7200RPM 8MB IDE HDD Factory Reconditioned $58.99
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post #280 of 313
3/11/07 at 10:00am
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I found the following two drives at Geeks.com. The difference in the two is #1 is a
WD2500SB and #2 is a WD2500JB. Does anybody know the difference in SB and JB? The other difference is #1 is Refurbished and #2 is Factory Reconditioned, is there a difference or is that the same thing? This seems like a very good price and I would,nt mind getting a couple of these.


1. Western Digital WD2500SB 250GB UDMA/100 7200RPM 8MB IDE HDD Refurbished $62.99

2. Western Digital WD2500JB 250GB UDMA/100 7200RPM 8MB IDE HDD Factory Reconditioned $58.99

You can get the same one NEW for $65 here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144309
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post #281 of 313
3/13/07 at 6:08am
Thanks DLSDO, I put 1 on order.
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post #282 of 313
3/13/07 at 11:01pm
Is anyone using a 500 GB drive in the 2001G successfully? Nextoo mentioned he had some performance issues with a Maxtor 500 GB drive he tried last October. I know the file list will be pretty long as such a large drive gets filled, but can live with it as a compromise for less drive swapping. I know the 400 GB drives work but they are close in price to the 500 GB drives now so they have very small price advantage.
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post #283 of 313
3/14/07 at 7:02pm
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Is anyone using a 500 GB drive in the 2001G successfully? Nextoo mentioned he had some performance issues with a Maxtor 500 GB drive he tried last October. I know the file list will be pretty long as such a large drive gets filled, but can live with it as a compromise for less drive swapping. I know the 400 GB drives work but they are close in price to the 500 GB drives now so they have very small price advantage.

You know what? I think you might be okay with the 500gb HDD. See this thread here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9788235

It might be a failure secondary to ATA 133 not the size of the drive. I bet an ATA 100 would work fine regardless of the size

Let us know what you decide!
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post #284 of 313
3/19/07 at 10:01am
Is there any chance that the HDD will be capable of being read on a computer or is this a dead issue.
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post #285 of 313
3/19/07 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by richsale View Post

Is there any chance that the HDD will be capable of being read on a computer or is this a dead issue.

Never say never.. a number have tried way beyond my tech capabilities w/o success unfortunately so far.

If someone found that magic key that would be front page news. Here's to hoping.
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post #286 of 313
3/20/07 at 6:13pm
Hi
I'm real new at this DVD recording stuff, I havent bought a recorder yet and have been reading about the polaroid DRM 2001G and was wandering if anyone knows of any other recorders that are plug and play.
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post #287 of 313
3/20/07 at 10:23pm
If by "Plug and Play" you mean being able to add or exchange HDDs, then The Polaroid is the only recent model that I'm aware of.

Don't wait too long to get one though. With the new copying rulings, they will no longer be produced (Panasonic has already dropped their HDD DVRs), AFIK. In the future, you will only be able to get the DVRs supplied by the cable/satellite providers (or PC based ones). You can still get them on eBay, but for more than double their MSRP.
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post #288 of 313
4/3/07 at 3:00am
Just for the record, I tried a Seagate 500GB drive (ST-3500641A) in the Polaroid and it seemed to work OK. I didn't test it extensively but did some recording/timeshifting. It showed about 276+ hours at SP+. I didn't leave it in the machine as I bought it for a computer. This is an ATA100 drive.
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post #289 of 313
4/3/07 at 11:50am
If I remember correctly the problem that was encountered with the larger drive was related to capacity. When it got to about 80 gb of recorded material it stopped working. Would you be willing to place the drive and let it record for awhile??
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post #290 of 313
4/18/07 at 9:54pm
Well, the 500GB drive is already deployed so I won't be able to try it out any more in the Polaroid. My calculations showed that I would have to record about a day's worth of HQ content to get past 80GB which wasn't feasible for me.

One drawback of such a large capacity drive is the pages of recorded titles you have to page through if you use the thing anywhere near its capacity. I'm not sure that is practicable with this unit.
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post #291 of 313
9/12/07 at 9:42am
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Quick update on this project. It looks like a Seagate 500GB drive will work just fine. I tested a Seagate ST3500830A and the drive formatted and I was able to fill the drive with content - no problems. This is different than my experiences with both Maxtor and WD 500GB drives. I'm confident other Seagate 500GB drives will work. I have a different model # arriving Friday that I will test.

As before the installation was plug and play. Also I should note that I installed the Seagate in the external drive rack. I'm sure this would also work if installed directly in the machine - my only concern with an internal installation would be the drive's power requirements. It may be fine but I haven't looked into it. As far as thermal concerns the Seagate runs cooler than the WD 250's based on my unscientific "touch" test.
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post #292 of 313
9/12/07 at 9:56am
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Quick update on this project. It looks like a Seagate 500GB drive will work just fine. I tested a Seagate ST3500830A and the drive formatted and I was able to fill the drive with content - no problems.

WOW, that's a lot or recording to fill the 500. I've been using the Seagate 400GB drives with no problems too. Glad to hear the 500 works. They are getting pretty cheap but IDE is getting harder to find each day. I guess i'll have to run to my local Micro Center and check to see what they have. That's where i got all my replacement drives for my 3 Tosh recorders. They have OEM's reasonable.

Thanks for the update.
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post #293 of 313
9/12/07 at 10:21am
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WOW, that's a lot or recording to fill the 500. I've been using the Seagate 400GB drives with no problems too. Glad to hear the 500 works. They are getting pretty cheap but IDE is getting harder to find each day. I guess i'll have to run to my local Micro Center and check to see what they have. That's where i got all my replacement drives for my 3 Tosh recorders. They have OEM's reasonable.

Thanks for the update.

I was rounding up. I probably got it 70% full. But you are right it takes some time. I ran it at HQ for like 12 hour stretches. Overnight etc. There's almost 120 hrs at HQ on a 500GB drive. I got it to something like 80+ recorded hours and said enough - it works.

Great news on the 400GB Seagte. It looks like Seagate from now on for me. I think Seagate makes a 750GB IDE drive. As far as SATA my guess is that the SATA - IDE converters would have a pretty good chance of working. Not sure though.
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post #294 of 313
11/1/07 at 1:59am
nextoo,

Which internal 400 or 500GB hard drive would you ultimately recommend at this point?
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post #295 of 313
11/28/07 at 8:33am
Sorry guys, I need three posts to link URL's and only registered so I could post to this thread.
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11/28/07 at 8:34am
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11/28/07 at 8:35am
3 - I had to post 3 times before I could use a URL. Next post is real. =)
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post #298 of 313
11/28/07 at 8:35am
I am NOT USING THIS SETUP WITH THE RECORDER, this is just an idea because I use one of these drives at work.

How large do you think you could go with the drive?

I am using a EXTERNAL RAID ARRAY at work, which acts as a standard single hard drive. One of the features is a external SATA connection.

You could use an IDE to SATA bidirectional Converter.

Additionally you could use a eSATA to Serial ATA cable.

Next you could add 5 drives to the handy portable raid box, which you could setup as redundant backup either raid 5 or raid 6 vs raid 0.

It would not be a cheap setup, but it probably would be the max setup for safe redundant storage of your videos. 5 - 500GB drives at raid 6 give you 1.5TB of storage. Raid 5 (2TB) allows you to loose 1 drive and rebuild, raid 6 allows you to loose 2. I know the OS isn't built on a Microsoft foundation; therefore, I don't know if it shares XP's 2TB volume limitation.

As far as speed of the drive, I don't think it would have any hickups. I'm still able to use my array for video capture at work across the USB 2.0 connection (as this is my safe storage of edited video & data). I imagine the eSata would be just fine for the recorder.
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post #299 of 313
11/28/07 at 8:52am
So are you asking about a set up like this. or telling us what you are using?
THanks Mike
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post #300 of 313
11/28/07 at 10:46pm
Hi everybody, newbie here.

I posted on a couple of threads about a friend of mine who wants to record some TV shows and put them on DVD. This sounds like an interesting alternative.

I see that on the net there are still a few opportunities to buy one of these Polaroid units.

I am just in the stage of trying to get my mind around the possibilities and to learn about the various technologies.

OK, so there is a sticky thread about a Phillips DVD Recorder with a HD. Does this Polaroid fall into the same category, or ? ? ?

In another thread a guy says he just uses a line out from his DVR to a free standing DVD Recorder to offload content that he wants to save.

I tend to like stuff to be as simple as possible. What an interesting idea to put the huge HD in this Polaroid, I like this kind of thinking! !
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