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post #31 of 315
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What's the cache of the original HD in the Polaroid 2MB or 8MB?

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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=42

This drive has 8 megs of cache - a "JB" model.

The "BB" model with 2 megs of cache should work too. The 80GB stock drive is a 2 meg cache "BB" model.
I've also used old generic 40GB drives with no problems. The only drive I had a problem with was the 500GB Maxtor.

As posted.
post #32 of 315
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What's the cache of the original HD in the Polaroid 2MB or 8MB?



As posted.

My mistake.
post #33 of 315
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Here's a few more pics:

1- unit with HDD removed. Easy deinstall only 4 screws.

2- new IDE cable installed

3. case closed


Nextoo... did you need to "butcher" the case when installing the new (rounded) cable? Or did it fish through pretty easily?

Do you still have an internal drive hooked up as well? (IOW, did you daisy-chain w/ a ribbon cable internally, & then extend outside the case?) Or does the Polaroid only see one at a time?

David
post #34 of 315
why external since u using an ide cable? if it was a usb, it would be another case? y not put it internally for aesthic look?
post #35 of 315
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Nextoo... did you need to "butcher" the case when installing the new (rounded) cable? Or did it fish through pretty easily?

Do you still have an internal drive hooked up as well? (IOW, did you daisy-chain w/ a ribbon cable internally, & then extend outside the case?) Or does the Polaroid only see one at a time?

David

The IDE cable exits the case out of the side of the case. I was planing on using a dremel to make an access path bit did not need to. There is a slight bulge but I prefer it to hacking up the cover. The internal drive is removed.
post #36 of 315
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Originally Posted by vincentnyc View Post

why external since u using an ide cable? if it was a usb, it would be another case? y not put it internally for aesthic look?

The external drive enclosure you see is a removable storage device. I have multiple drives that can be used with the removable IDE drive enclosure. Read the entire and then post if you have any questions.
post #37 of 315
Wouldn't it be easier to stick a $100 tuner card in the PC and record on that? Between my 2 internal 400 GB drives and my five 250 GB external drives, I have 2.1 TB to record on. The video quality from my tuner card is equal to that of the DVD recorder. Since I do all my chaptering, authoring and editing on the PC, I save a step of writing to DVD and transferring to the PC. I use the Hauppage 150 card. If I were to do again I would get the dual tuner card. There are HD cards and now I hear there is an external tuner box with NTSC, ATSC and QAM all in the same $129 box.
post #38 of 315
Many people do not have their PC in their living room (or wherever the TV is). And even then, not all TVs can display a PCs output, without some conversion such as VGA->TV or a TV output card.

Your way is certainly do-able, I have an "entertainment" PC hooked up to my 52" HDTV with 2.1TB of external HDDs on tap. Can even play High Definition material. But depending on various tradeoffs, this route may or may not be the best way for everyone. Consideratins like ease of use for less technical people in the household may also enter into it.
post #39 of 315
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Wouldn't it be easier to stick a $100 tuner card in the PC and record on that? Between my 2 internal 400 GB drives and my five 250 GB external drives, I have 2.1 TB to record on. The video quality from my tuner card is equal to that of the DVD recorder. Since I do all my chaptering, authoring and editing on the PC, I save a step of writing to DVD and transferring to the PC. I use the Hauppage 150 card. If I were to do again I would get the dual tuner card. There are HD cards and now I hear there is an external tuner box with NTSC, ATSC and QAM all in the same $129 box.

Been there done that. I initially used the ATI capture cards and then moved to the Hauphauge 250. Two of them actually, still have them. I then used a Media MVP to interface them to my entertainment center. Then DVD recorders came out and I got lazy. I believe I mentioned before that I got real lazy. I spent so much time in front of a PC capturing, converting, authoring, etc, etc, that I finally said "uncle". Plus the setup I have now is actually able to be used by others.
post #40 of 315
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Latest modification. I decided to go external with the DVD burner. So now both the HDD and the DVD burner are external.

Advantages:

- with the external hard drive enclosure I have unlimited HDD space.

- moving a DVD burner (Sony) outside the case will extend the life of the Polaroid. I don't have to worry about killing the stock burner. It's still there just unplugged. Replacing the Sony external burner or with something similiar costs $30 - $40.

- it runs cool. With both the HDD and the DVD burner external the interior of the Polaroid runs with minimal heat build up.

- I'm giving the Polaroid power supply a break. Both the HDD and the DVD burner are powered externally. This takes a huge load off the Polaroid power supply which should extend its life.

Disadvantages:

- not sure yet because everything works fine.

I can snap a pic and post it. It looks pretty good.
post #41 of 315
Soon you'll be building your own DVD recorder. Put me on the list to be your first customer.

Thanks for all the info (though I don' have the Polaroid)
post #42 of 315
Nextoo, Thanks for all the info.
Need some setup help. Plan to pick up Polaroid and configure with external burner/HDD. Currently have...

Moxi DVR
Sony DVD player
VCR
Yamaha AVR
Tosh72"

Here is my problem. I only have one component out on the Moxi DVR (connected to the TV) and 1 S-video out (connected to the VCR). No other video outputs. (DVI out is available but connection disables other outs). Can the component out be split? I want to work in the Polaroid to archive from the Moxi DVR, DVD player, and monitor the progress on the TV. Any suggestions?
post #43 of 315
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post

Nextoo, Thanks for all the info.
Need some setup help. Plan to pick up Polaroid and configure with external burner/HDD. Currently have...

Moxi DVR
Sony DVD player
VCR
Yamaha AVR
Tosh72"

Here is my problem. I only have one component out on the Moxi DVR (connected to the TV) and 1 S-video out (connected to the VCR). No other video outputs. (DVI out is available but connection disables other outs). Can the component out be split? I want to work in the Polaroid to archive from the Moxi DVR, DVD player, and monitor the progress on the TV. Any suggestions?

I am not familiar with the Moxi but what I do with my DVR (SA8300HD that has only one set of componet outputs) is just insert the Polaroid into the current component cabling path. The Polaroid will pass through an HD video signal when turned off. No splitting is necesary. This is huge by the way for anybody with an HD source.

edit - Just make sure when you are using the Polaroid that you adjust your Moxi output to 480i.
post #44 of 315
Thanks for the fast reply! So then I assume you run Component out from the Polaroid to your TV?
post #45 of 315
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post

Thanks for the fast reply! So then I assume you run Component out from the Polaroid to your TV?

Yes this is a huge feature that for some reason the Polaroid can do. By the way I edited my last post.

It will also convert component to s-video.
post #46 of 315
Nextoo.
Will you please post some pics of your most recent modifications?
Are you able to archive your commercial DVDs to HDD and burn to disc without a PC setup? I plan to use the component video inputs on the polaroid as you suggested but I see it also has an optical audio input. Can I use this to feed my audio input to the polaroid or do I have to use R&W?
Went to a Walmart yesterday to buy the Polaroid and the "cupboard was bare"....the search is on...
Thanks for the help
post #47 of 315
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post

Nextoo.
Will you please post some pics of your most recent modifications?
Are you able to archive your commercial DVDs to HDD and burn to disc without a PC setup? I plan to use the component video inputs on the polaroid as you suggested but I see it also has an optical audio input. Can I use this to feed my audio input to the polaroid or do I have to use R&W?
Went to a Walmart yesterday to buy the Polaroid and the "cupboard was bare"....the search is on...
Thanks for the help

Here's a couple of external pics. Not the prettiest but it is fully functional. The DVD burner is in a vertical position which works fine.
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post #48 of 315
Nextoo
How is the external burner connected?
post #49 of 315
Nextoo, you absolutely RAWK!!!!!!!! Kudos, Bravos, and Cheerios Mate!! Outstanding!!!
post #50 of 315
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

Nextoo, you absolutely RAWK!!!!!!!! Kudos, Bravos, and Cheerios Mate!! Outstanding!!!

Thanks! Here's the next mod. I'll have to make a few IDE cables but it will work. I want to have male IDE connectors on the back panel of the Polaroid and I will install male IDE connectors on the external case pictured. This way I can just connect them via rounded IDE cables - it will look good and there will be no cables sticking out of the side of the Polaroid case. The external case will hold the removable HDD enclosure and the external DVD burner. Here it is:
LL
post #51 of 315
Nextoo,
Dartman had been unsuccesful with an external burner. How did you get it to work? Which Sony burner are you using? Anything new with your current setup?
post #52 of 315
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post

Nextoo,
Dartman had been unsuccesful with an external burner. How did you get it to work? Which Sony burner are you using? Anything new with your current setup?

The answer to your question is here in the Polaroid thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8747797

It works fine.
post #53 of 315
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Project completion - maybe . Unless I can figure out something else to do. Short answer is that I probably will. But here it is at this stage:

Pic 1 - Shows the HDD and DVD burner enclosure with the HDD drive not engaged. I currently have 8 HDD drives that can be used with the Polaroid. Storage is essentially unlimited. The HDD's are conveniently installed into trays like the one pictured. Just slide one out and then slide one in and it is a whole new world. The one pictured has the first two installments of the Lord of the Rings from TNT HD recorded in HQ (XP) quality - along with other stuff .

Pic 2 - Shows the SONY DW-Q30A DVD burner open and the HDD enclosure with a drive tray not engaged.

Pic 3 - Everything closed/engaged and ready to go.
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post #54 of 315
Absolutely awesome!!!!!!!!!

What is the brand of HDD/DVD enclosure? I went shopping and am having trouble finding anything other than USB enclosures.

Both connected by rounded IDE still?

Did you have to dremel out the back?

Thanks for all your contributions and keep us posted
post #55 of 315
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post

Absolutely awesome!!!!!!!!!

What is the brand of HDD/DVD enclosure? I went shopping and am having trouble finding anything other than USB enclosures.

Both connected by rounded IDE still?

Did you have to dremel out the back?

Thanks for all your contributions and keep us posted

Yes! Show us the back panel!

Would love to see the male ide hookup.

David
post #56 of 315
Thread Starter 
Here's the case. Cheapest I could find. Most are double the price. It is a SCSI enclosure but this one is cheaper because it does not include the SCSI cables.

http://www.censuspc.com/product.php?productid=637

The IDE male connectors are here:

http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orde...les.com&rcode=

You have to be careful with IDE. There should not be too many connections or excessive cable lengths. Right now I still have the rounded IDE cables coming out from the side of the Polaroid case. I have the HDD removable drive enclosure and the DVD burner installed in the external SCSI case as pictured. Two IDE cables exit the SCSI case out the back panel with male connectors. The rounded IDE cables from the Polaroid are then connected to the male IDE connectors.

Here's a much more expensive alternative for the IDE cables:

http://www.mycableshop.com/itemdesc~...~ic~GC40MM.htm
post #57 of 315
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HDD IDE removable enlosure and trays are here:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?inv...10-BLK&cpc=SCH

Best price I could find and the quality is great. Cheap price actually. All in all it was a pretty reasonable project.

I should add that the fan in the HDD mobile rack is the same size as the fan in the Polaroid. I disconnected the fan on the drive rack because it isn't necessary. If I ever want to replace the fan in the Polaroid I have a spare in waiting. Although with moving the HDD and the DVD burner oustide of the Polaroid there really is no thermal buildup in the Polaroid to be concerned about.
post #58 of 315
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Project completion - maybe . Unless I can figure out something else to do. Short answer is that I probably will. But here it is at this stage:

Pic 1 - Shows the HDD and DVD burner enclosure with the HDD drive not engaged. I currently have 8 HDD drives that can be used with the Polaroid. Storage is essentially unlimited. The HDD's are conveniently installed into trays like the one pictured. Just slide one out and then slide one in and it is a whole new world. The one pictured has the first two installments of the Lord of the Rings from TNT HD recorded in HQ (XP) quality - along with other stuff .

Pic 2 - Shows the SONY DW-Q30A DVD burner open and the HDD enclosure with a drive tray not engaged.

Pic 3 - Everything closed/engaged and ready to go.


Nextoo, nice work!!!!

You should have a TV show called pimp my dvd recorder
post #59 of 315
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Originally Posted by gondey99 View Post

Nextoo, nice work!!!!

You should have a TV show called pimp my dvd recorder

Haha. Thanks. Yes definately a pimp job. Here's the before and after. The before pic is the first attempt at an external HDD. The after pic is the external HDD with DVD burner. The after looks better I think.
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post #60 of 315
A little help please. Bought a used "e" unit. Just hooked it up and works fine..phew. Dove right in for the "Nextoo design" and ran into a few glitches.

My unit has an 80gb seagate that I connected to a 19" IDE dual cord and it wouldn't boot up. Works fine with a really short IDE but its obviously to short to exteriorize. Is it the cord length or the dual drive capability or both? What length do I need? I chose the flat IDE so it would fit out easier but does a rounded cord function better?

I had to run it out the back because my power to the drive is so short. Can I lengthen the power cord to the drive? How? Can I simply splice it and make it longer?

Thanks for the help
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