JL Audio Fathom 13" Sub - Page 108

WOTW or FOTP doesn't cause similar problems to subwoofers like the Pulse. So at the moment it's an isolated case... and probably will stay like that.

Not similar but they caused problems, some severe. Ie blowing protective circuits in the PB-13, fried voicecoils on some Yamaha subs, port chuffing galore on most vented subs, huge compression etc. While the sound effects will differ the trend is to stress subs even more. So there will be lots of room for imaginative designers to come up with better solutions.

Bewilderment comes with old age. I was, of course, referring to the Pink Floyd concert dvd.

We are currently in the prosess of upgrading our home cinema. Today we have the old (but to my ears still quite good) 801 Matrix S3. We have after listening to some alternatives about to converge on the 802D and HTM1D.

Anyone that can share some experience on the combination?

We also have decided on subs and orderend a pair of JL Audio F113.

Anyone having the combination of B&W 800 series and a pair of JL A F113?

Where did you cross over to get the best intergration, 80hz?

If two have you connected them in mono (Chained) or stereo?

Heja, I've heard the 802d and 800d at separate times from the f113. Fabulous speakers! I considered the 800d at one time.

Kal Rubinson, from Stereophile, has reviewed the 802d and f113 and owns both. Do a search on the Stereophile website and it will give his impressions of the 802d working with the f113. The short answer is that he likes the combo.

I helped set up and calibrate a local guy with a pair of 802D's and a F113...the combination is nothing short of perfect synergy. His room is fairly small, and his transport source is a Krell HTS7.1 + amp, but trying different combinations, we settled on 60Hz mains, 80hz rears/center. ARO is running fairly accurately, and it blends extremely well. Feel free to PM me with details if you'd like.

Side note: I personally have the 802's, but decided against the HTMD1 due to size and floor mounting. It is a HUGE center channel and it comes very localized if you dont floor mount it. Just something to keep in mind.

Thanks mr B. I have read his Stereophile articles, and yes it sounds like he liked the combination :-)

Thanks for your input!

I know its huge, it's a beast :-) The picutere below illustrate it.

We plan to have it on a coustom made pedestal og a little short of a foot tall to rise it to the bottom of my screen. I'n not sure what you mean with with "Comes very localised"?

3 802D (like Kal) is not an option because then there will be no room for our screen abow.

I understand that the ports in the HTM1D can be plugged, have you (or anyone else) tried that and use a higher crossover like 80 Hz?

I really like the idea that the 3 front speakers is as similar as possible (the same marlan head and same speaker elements) and the HTM2D is more like the 803D's and they don't sound the same as the 802'Ds. Understanding of course that the acoustiv environment for a senter is not tha same as the left and right channel.

No, I have not tried to plug the ports on the HTMD1, but I seriously doubt it will make a huge impact on multi-channel or HT use.

I've done a DIY center channel based on Dayton RS drivers and seas millenium tweeter, and they blend very well with the 802's with incredibly accurate matching...surprising really. The speaker can be mounted on top of a cabinet or stand, its horizontal dispersion is very wide and thus, localization is very reduced.

So the HTM-1 wouldnt have worked on top of your front cabinet? I figured if it was up there, it would be height matched for the tweeters of the fronts and work better...?

Looks like a really nice setup. Seas factory is located in my home town... Have bult quite a few DIY projects in younger days. My uncle had a manager posision at the fatory so supply was plenty...

Can you PM me some of the details on the center?

Maby the cabinet would have suffered under HTM1D it's 93 kilos :-)

unfortunately, it wouldn't have worked...I tried it and the thing is way too high...it would cover at least the first 1/3 of the screen, and I really can't have the screen much higher

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showpos...96&postcount=2


yes, 200+ lbs on top of that cabinet, plus the 400lbs inside it already, would not have been a good move

I have an awesome idea guys, a few of us should chip in for this Gotham on sale, at this awesome price...and we can all take turn, like that chick flick with the traveling jeans I bet it would fit us oh so well, and we can write letters to each other on how this sub change our lives

OK who is with me!!!


http://buy.audiogon.com/cgia/cls.pl?homesubw&1205560635


Oh I want to go first


DJoel

More important question: why is he selling it?

It's too much sub for his town.

Must be another Gotham already there, one of those "this town ain't big enough for the two of us" sorta things.

sounds like a suspicious listing.
I haven't even had a chance to listen to the 4 F113s I have yet but I was pestering my wife about getting a pair of gothams and selling off the fathoms. Strangely enough the pestering worked. I decided against it for this house because taking the 360pound monsters down the stairs to the listening room is not something I want to try. I have the opportunity to sell my satin f113s and rebuy a pair in gloss to match my first pair but it means losing a little money...decisions, decisions.

Lol

I agree suspicious listing, something is just not right...He has two feedbacks from two long time Agon members, one being Clem7 has a wanted add for either a F113 or a Gotham...Hmm


On taking 360 lbs down a fight of stairs.
I am not too sure if death by Gotham is the honorable way to go either..

DJoel

It wouldn't be pretty, but it would make for awesome marketing material.

Didn't Mr. Smith write long ago in this thread that even though the Gotham is an incredible sub, he thought that 4 113's were a similar match and that he would prefer the 4 113's over 2 Gotham's??

For sure. Seems kind of like a dealer pulling some hijinx.

I'd be suspicious of that Gotham on A-gon, but it never hurts to ask a bunch of questions. I haven't priced the Gotham, but is that really a deal at 20% off the list price? I don't think the warranty transfers on a second owner either so that's something to consider.

One of the guys on the 20K forum just added 2 Gotham's to his system. Nice indeed.

Charles

I can see it now, a picture of the Gotham on it's side horizontal, and pair of legs, and arms sticky out.

Devastating, Killer Bass! People would flocking to their nearest dealer like it was open day at the San Diego zoo after a tiger mauling

DJoel

What web we weave!

DJoel

It's not a fabulous price or anything they are advertising. OB on the 20K+ site has been very impressed by the gothams.

I agree that 4 F113s are probably just as good, or maybe better depending on how they are located in the room. My thought is that if I was going to sell off 2 of the satin F113s for the gloss f113s it may be worth it to just spring a little extra cash for 1 gotham. Giving it some serious thought at the moment....

Bogg,

The Gotham is one alluring subwoofer no doubt about it. If I recall Mr. Smith's analogy was similar to what you wrote about maybe better dependent upon placement in the room, but the Gotham has a unique signature with its output. Let us know what you decide.

Hmmm... my recollection was that Mr. Smith's take was that the Gotham was superior to double 113's. Don't quote me on that.



LOL

Jostenmeat,

I took the time to find Mr. Smith's quote. I probably should have done this before I wrote the recollection from memory. Sometimes I think as I mature, I have CMS syndrome.

Anyway, I based my comment on thinking that an array of subs placed strategically with the same amount of drivers as the Gotham would create a superior experience. What I was thinking was that Mr. Bogg was going to have 4 113's (WOW) and replace 2 of them with a Gotham and also keep the 2 113's that he currently owns. I may have misunderstood what his plan is.

Either way, I don't think any of us would mind being in his shoes with the choices he can make. I am a lowly owner of only 1 of the 113's and am quite content as is. I love this sub. Powerful, small and built so well. Of all the equipment I own, when people come into my small dedicated room, that is the component that always gets the most attention even when the system is turned off.

Here is Mr. Smith's quote. Hopefully if he has the time, he can provide some feedback on Bogg's situation.

I asked Mr. JL smith the same question quite some time ago (on 12-12-06), if two JL's F113's would be better or worse than a single JL Gotham. Mr. Smith advised me they would be essentially about the same as a single Gotham, stacked. Smith also advised, two JL's F113's in the same area would give you about the same output as a single Gotham. Mr Smith, also advised two F-113's located in seperate positions could give you a smoother response in a wider area.