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post #3481 of 6767
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Its probably too late for that.

Have to ask, since you obviously can't run your subs 95dbs hot, what are you trying to achieve?


I like to have a solid foundation,my floor should hold...the 4000lbs of subs. An extra 360lbs never killed anyone.

In a few hours I am going to see my JL dealer and say "Guess what ?" and "Go Gotham Go"
post #3482 of 6767
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

You can't infuriate poor people like me by buying $11k sub when you already spent 5 times more on subs. But I'm just curious, what do you do with them? Why not spend all the extra money on better speakers, acoustics and everything? Seems like gear addiction to me. At least you could run some tests and write reviews for them. Then there would be a reason.
About the gotham, I'm sure it has awesome build quality and sound quality, but I can't imagine the markup is that modest either. Does it crush every sub-$2k sub in sound quality? If not, then it's the kind of product I despise.


Better speakers,well I have Dynaudio Contour 3.3 , S3.4 and S5.4. Not so low end after all. I will get some Pioneer TAD mains and center later this year.

You cannot crush a well designed $2000 sub in sound quality, it does so in build quality and the maximum output in a very compact volume(internal net volume). Fact you cannot "crush" as you say a well deigned $500 sub in sound quality.

Same for speakers and any type of gear you care to name. Will a Krell FPB600 crush a SimAudio Celeste 4070SE in sound quality...NO.

Will Mark Seaton's SubMersive (~$2000) crush his own design a $499 MFW-15 in sound quality...NOPE. SO dont bring this excuse about crushing.


I am in this hobby for far too long to be in a crushing business,you want crush...go see a monster truck show.
post #3483 of 6767
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Originally Posted by TheEAR View Post

I like to have a solid foundation,my floor should hold...the 4000lbs of subs. An extra 360lbs never killed anyone.

In a few hours I am going to see my JL dealer and say "Guess what ?" and "Go Gotham Go"

What does this have to do with my question about "what are you trying to achieve" that is unless it has to do with how much weight your foundation can support?
post #3484 of 6767
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

You can't infuriate poor people like me by buying $11k sub when you already spent 5 times more on subs. But I'm just curious, what do you do with them? Why not spend all the extra money on better speakers, acoustics and everything? Seems like gear addiction to me. At least you could run some tests and write reviews for them. Then there would be a reason.
About the gotham, I'm sure it has awesome build quality and sound quality, but I can't imagine the markup is that modest either. Does it crush every sub-$2k sub in sound quality? If not, then it's the kind of product I despise.

You can despise the Gotham all you want, but it make it no less beautiful or desirable to those who can appreaciate it for what it is. I doubt you would ever be capable of doing that. There may very well be certain giant ugly $2000 black boxes that may sound as good as the Gotham, but they will never enhance the esthetics of a room the way the Gotham will. To many, that alone can justify the price difference. For a machine that is as beautiful and well engineered as the Gotham and is capable of excellent performance, $11k is really small potatoes. Look at what folks pay for things like artwork or jewlery which don't need to perform at all. The Gothom approaches being a work of art and is the jewel of the subwoofer world.

Despise it all you want. It changes nothing.
post #3485 of 6767
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Last week, Jay Leno made the comment that given the stock market performance and drop in home prices, at least Spitzer got something for his money.

i can't argue with that

now, back on topic, what's the real price of a gotham? (not the 11k SRP)
post #3486 of 6767
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

What does this have to do with my question about "what are you trying to achieve" that is unless it has to do with how much weight your foundation can support?

That is my kick, doing it for fun.
post #3487 of 6767
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

You can despise the Gotham all you want, but it make it no less beautiful or desirable to those who can appreaciate it for what it is. I doubt you would ever be capable of doing that. There may very well be certain giant ugly $2000 black boxes that may sound as good as the Gotham, but they will never enhance the esthetics of a room the way the Gotham will. To many, that alone can justify the price difference. For a machine that is as beautiful and well engineered as the Gotham and is capable of excellent performance, $11k is really small potatoes. Look at what folks pay for things like artwork or jewlery which don't need to perform at all. The Gothom approaches being a work of art and is the jewel of the subwoofer world.

Despise it all you want. It changes nothing.

Well said.
post #3488 of 6767
In a dedicated home theater where speakers are all hidden, I don't see where asthetics matter.
post #3489 of 6767
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

In a dedicated home theater where speakers are all hidden, I don't see where asthetics matter.

Other than the "pride of ownership" factor, you are correct. In this case, paying for esthetics might be seen as a waste.
post #3490 of 6767
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post


Despise it all you want. It changes nothing.

You can disagree with me all you want. It changes nothing also. We just have a different taste/priorities. You doubt I would ever be capable of having your taste and priorities? Yeah I doubt it too, but why would I need to.
For as long as you have the right to post how beautiful that thing is, I also have the right to post that I don't see anything special about it.
post #3491 of 6767
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

You can disagree with me all you want. It changes nothing also. We just have a different taste/priorities. You doubt I would ever be capable of having your taste and priorities? Yeah I doubt it too...

See that? We actually do agree.
post #3492 of 6767
Who said you had to hide the subs? In my room the F113s will be visible, and they will be located optimally in the "best" acoustic spot as chosen by my room designer. I wouldn't put a big ugly box there no matter how good it sounded. That's why I bought the F113s as opposed to the bone-crushing conquest or something like that.
post #3493 of 6767
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Originally Posted by CADOBHuK View Post

You can disagree with me all you want. It changes nothing also. We just have a different taste/priorities. You doubt I would ever be capable of having your taste and priorities? Yeah I doubt it too, but why would I need to.
For as long as you have the right to post how beautiful that thing is, I also have the right to post that I don't see anything special about it.

OK, you've posted it ad nauseum.

We have received the message.

Now, please find something *else* to post about.

Craig
post #3494 of 6767
I have it on good authority that an article focusing on integrating two Gothams into a extremely high-end audio system will be published on UltraAudio.com on April 1st.

thought you guys may be interested
post #3495 of 6767
I have had the Gotham in my system for about 7 months now #11 and before that I had lots of black boxes $2K and above as many as 3 at a time. I have even listened to 2 of the Fathoms in the same room and in my opinion I made the right choice, even if I would have bought 3-4 of them I would be happier with my Gotham. I did not pay $11K but I paid allot. I will be purchasing another one to balance out the room esthetically this summer and hope it will not crack my Sheetrock or blow out the seals in my doors. These are really beautiful pieces of art and that is the second reason I love mine.

As far as better performance from something else? I don't think so if you are talking about all around performance and accuracy. That is just MY opinion but mine is what counts in this house right?

post #3496 of 6767
That Gotham is one bad MoFo

All this talk about why buy a $11K sub when a 2K sub will do the same thing is nuts. The engineering and craftsmanship that went into that sub is well worth it IMO.

I just wish I lived closer to the EAR and had a forklift
post #3497 of 6767
And I say it AGAIN...GORGEOUS !

I was at my dealer and told him...GOTHAM...GOTHAM...they looked and said...GOTHAM! ...I responded GOTHAM or nothing.
post #3498 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

I have had the Gotham in my system for about 7 months now #11 and before that I had lots of black boxes $2K and above as many as 3 at a time. I have even listened to 2 of the Fathoms in the same room and in my opinion I made the right choice, even if I would have bought 3-4 of them I would be happier with my Gotham. I did not pay $11K but I paid allot. I will be purchasing another one to balance out the room esthetically this summer and hope it will not crack my Sheetrock or blow out the seals in my doors. These are really beautiful pieces of art and that is the second reason I love mine.

As far as better performance from something else? I don't think so if you are talking about all around performance and accuracy. That is just MY opinion but mine is what counts in this house right?


Worth quoting just to see that pic again. Ok ... The writing stuff was pretty good, too ...

WHAT a gorgeous subwoofer and room !!!
post #3499 of 6767
The Gotham is a big black box. It's just all dressed up That equipment rack looks bada$$ also
post #3500 of 6767
Thanks guys I love my room also as you might be able to tell. It is a never ending work in progress though and I really need a good 1080p projector now.
post #3501 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

I have had the Gotham in my system for about 7 months now #11 and before that I had lots of black boxes $2K and above as many as 3 at a time. I have even listened to 2 of the Fathoms in the same room and in my opinion I made the right choice, even if I would have bought 3-4 of them I would be happier with my Gotham. I did not pay $11K but I paid allot. I will be purchasing another one to balance out the room esthetically this summer and hope it will not crack my Sheetrock or blow out the seals in my doors. These are really beautiful pieces of art and that is the second reason I love mine.

As far as better performance from something else? I don't think so if you are talking about all around performance and accuracy. That is just MY opinion but mine is what counts in this house right?


One, and soon to be two, Gotham's! Do you have any plans for the rest of the system?

BTW, I have to ask... how are you integrating the 125 watt powered "subwoofers" in the Def Tech speakers? Are they set to "Large"?

Craig
post #3502 of 6767
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

One, and soon to be two, Gotham's! Do you have any plans for the rest of the system?

BTW, I have to ask... how are you integrating the 125 watt powered "subwoofers" in the Def Tech speakers? Are they set to "Large"?

Craig

blasphemy.

two gothams. 125 watt powered speakers/subwoofers. large. should never be in the same paragraph/quote
post #3503 of 6767
Craig,

I do have plans but I really like the sound of my Def Techs. I have 5 of the Usher 718's on order with stands. I will be auditioning them for a month or so before commiting though. The amps also are a sweet spot for me, I may try the Nuforce offerings with the 718's at the same time in a mono block configuration.

Currently I have the speakers set to small... I don't think the "subs" in the towers are very good and add more mud than anything. Set to small they can be dialed back to stay tight and then hand off to the Gotham. At lower volumes though they sound fine in a 2 channel setup set to large.
post #3504 of 6767
Mark,

Might find that the mid bass in the Def Techs are something usable.
post #3505 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

I have had the Gotham in my system for about 7 months now #11 and before that I had lots of black boxes $2K and above as many as 3 at a time. I have even listened to 2 of the Fathoms in the same room and in my opinion I made the right choice, even if I would have bought 3-4 of them I would be happier with my Gotham. I did not pay $11K but I paid allot. I will be purchasing another one to balance out the room esthetically this summer and hope it will not crack my Sheetrock or blow out the seals in my doors. These are really beautiful pieces of art and that is the second reason I love mine.

As far as better performance from something else? I don't think so if you are talking about all around performance and accuracy. That is just MY opinion but mine is what counts in this house right?


nice!!!!
post #3506 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

I have had the Gotham in my system for about 7 months now #11 and before that I had lots of black boxes $2K and above as many as 3 at a time. I have even listened to 2 of the Fathoms in the same room and in my opinion I made the right choice, even if I would have bought 3-4 of them I would be happier with my Gotham. I did not pay $11K but I paid allot. I will be purchasing another one to balance out the room esthetically this summer and hope it will not crack my Sheetrock or blow out the seals in my doors. These are really beautiful pieces of art and that is the second reason I love mine.

As far as better performance from something else? I don't think so if you are talking about all around performance and accuracy. That is just MY opinion but mine is what counts in this house right?



Gorgeous room! Gives me something to dream about...
post #3507 of 6767
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Mark,

Might find that the mid bass in the Def Techs are something usable.

I do have them turned up enough for some mid bass I just can't use them turned up too much or it gets chesty sounding. I have them pulled way out and have tried others but cannot seem to loose it. I still get good bass even with the speakers set to small and the vocals are much more natural that way also.

Thanks for all the nice comments guys!
post #3508 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

Craig,

I do have plans but I really like the sound of my Def Techs. I have 5 of the Usher 718's on order with stands. I will be auditioning them for a month or so before commiting though. The amps also are a sweet spot for me, I may try the Nuforce offerings with the 718's at the same time in a mono block configuration.

Usher has 2 speakers with the label 718; the X-series and the "Dancer" series. The Dancer series has the beryllium tweeter. Is that the one your getting?

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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

Currently I have the speakers set to small... I don't think the "subs" in the towers are very good and add more mud than anything. Set to small they can be dialed back to stay tight and then hand off to the Gotham. At lower volumes though they sound fine in a 2 channel setup set to large.

I was just joking, as I assumed you had them set to "Small". Where do you cross them over?

All in all, you have a very nice system and a beautiful room. Congrats on some great choices.

Craig
post #3509 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Craig john View Post

Usher has 2 speakers with the label 718; the X-series and the "Dancer" series. The Dancer series has the beryllium tweeter. Is that the one your getting?


I was just joking, as I assumed you had them set to "Small". Where do you cross them over?

All in all, you have a very nice system and a beautiful room. Congrats on some great choices.

Craig

They are crossed over at 80hz and that seems to work well.

Yes the Dancers are what I am getting they are a wonderful sounding monitor but it will be a huge change for me living with a non Bipolar setup. I have always loved the depth of them but we'll see. My room will look more spacious also with small speakers and stands I hope.

Thanks Craig
post #3510 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Mjorgensen View Post

Yes the Dancers are what I am getting they are a wonderful sounding monitor but it will be a huge change for me living with a non Bipolar setup. I have always loved the depth of them but we'll see. My room will look more spacious also with small speakers and stands I hope.

Thanks Craig

Mark,

If you do not mind, please share your thoughts on the Usher Be-718 aka "The Tiny Dancer" speakers when you implement them. I like and own monitors myself so your feedback would be appreciated.

Charles
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