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post #6031 of 6594
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Originally Posted by pimpumd View Post

Agreed. Every time I come to read this thread I see the same nonsense from this guy. Talk about a sad life.



For those of you new to this thread getech was a new dealer for JL Audio and was subsequently dropped by them. I believe it's still in this thread!
post #6032 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post


For those of you new to this thread getech was a new dealer for JL Audio and was subsequently dropped by them. I believe it's still in this thread!

Ah ok.. I guess that's why the negativity towards JL.
post #6033 of 6594
Yes, he's very very pathetic.
post #6034 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

For those of you new to this thread getech was a new dealer for JL Audio and was subsequently dropped by them. I believe it's still in this thread!

He sells a lot of HT gear on these forums.
post #6035 of 6594
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

He sells a lot of HT gear on these forums.

He won't be selling any to me!
post #6036 of 6594
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

He sells a lot of HT gear on these forums.

Does he work for AVS?
post #6037 of 6594
I've been in this hobby since 2 channel days in the 70's! There was no Home theater yet. If you did it was a Hi Fi stereo VCR run through your stereo. Over those years I've come to know several close friends who have brick and mortar stores and also sell stuff I use. A good dealer and the ones I always use WILL NOT BADMOUTH a product especially when they don't carry it. If anything they'll acknowledge said product has it's merits. Then try and guide the customer towards a similar product you might carry. IF the customer wants to audition a different product. Works that way for me at least.
post #6038 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Does he work for AVS?

I've been on this forum since 2000 and have spoken on the phone with several of the AVS members who are also dealers on here. Alan and Jason especially were helpful to me on buying my first projector. Not one of has them ever displayed the behavior as getech does.
post #6039 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I've been on this forum since 2000 and have spoken on the phone with several of the AVS members who are also dealers on here. Alan and Jason especially were helpful to me on buying my first projector. Not one of has them ever displayed the behavior as getech does.

I ask, because it seems they tolerate his abuse of the forum guidelines.
post #6040 of 6594
Wow, this is very suprising to me. I have purchased a few items from Getech in the past (Audiogon, not AVS) and he has always been very helpful, even when being asked about items in which he is not an authorized dealer.

I know he has a pair of Submersive HP's right now in which he is very happy with. I don't know if it is negativity towards JL or just bliss with his new Seatons. I did ask him about the JL's a while back and he did speak very highly about them, except for the price, which is high compared to other subwoofers out there.

Anyways, I just wanted to share an experience. For some reason there is a great deal of hostility on the boards these days.

As for me, I have owned the F113 and Seaton HP and love both subwoofers. If I had space constraints I would get the F113, but if I had no space/budget constraints I would go Seaton all the way. Keep in mind, the F113 is almost double the cost. So for close to $4K, you could have (1) JL 13" sub or (2) HP's with (4) 15" drivers with 5400W.

I still think the Gotham is one bad ass sub!
post #6041 of 6594
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

Wow, this is very suprising to me. I have purchased a few items from Getech in the past (Audiogon, not AVS) and he has always been very helpful, even when being asked about items in which he is not an authorized dealer.

I know he has a pair of Submersive HP's right now in which he is very happy with. I don't know if it is negativity towards JL or just bliss with his new Seatons. I did ask him about the JL's a while back and he did speak very highly about them, except for the price, which is high compared to other subwoofers out there.

Anyways, I just wanted to share an experience. For some reason there is a great deal of hostility on the boards these days.

As for me, I have owned the F113 and Seaton HP and love both subwoofers. If I had space constraints I would get the F113, but if I had no space/budget constraints I would go Seaton all the way. Keep in mind, the F113 is almost double the cost. So for close to $4K, you could have (1) JL 13" sub or (2) HP's with (4) 15" drivers with 5400W.

I still think the Gotham is one bad ass sub!

Unfortunately his response too CadmanDigital4U wasn't exactly nice.
post #6042 of 6594
I didn't go back far enough to see that one. It was a little rough and uncharacteristic of what I know of him. Cheers to all! Enjoy those JL subs.
post #6043 of 6594
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

Enjoy those JL subs.

I do every day.
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post


I do every day.

Same
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Originally Posted by CadmanDigital4U View Post

I wouldn't consider someone who talks about me behind my back to be a friend. My friends are man enough to say what is on their minds directly to me.

Did someone do something really bad to you or something? Your posts seem to always be negative or bash the topic or person posting comments.

What I'm trying to figure out is if you dislike JL Audio subs so much and don't own one, why the hell you post here on this thread. Are you a troll or just envious?


Careful Cadman, he might whine to the moderators and get you a reprimand PM (ask me how I know!).
post #6046 of 6594
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Has anyone setup dual Fathoms with Anthem's ARC? It disengages the JL calibration, but not sure how it will work for 2 subs.

CAN'T GET 2 SUBS OUT OF MY MIND!!!! I'm sure I'll fall into a 2nd F113 this next year.....

You may not need the JL ARO with 2 subs when using ARC b/c the 2 subs will smooth out the room response significantly over 1 sub. The ARC is very good and improves the bass balance considerably. I have 4 F113s and use the ARC in my D2.
post #6047 of 6594
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Originally Posted by The Bogg View Post

Careful Cadman, he might whine to the moderators and get you a reprimand PM (ask me how I know!).

So I'm not the only one.
post #6048 of 6594
Does anyone know how many watts the f113 pulls at peak? I imagine it's low most of the time, but what is it capable of. I can't find anything in the documentation.

Cheers
post #6049 of 6594
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

Does anyone know how many watts the f113 pulls at peak? I imagine it's low most of the time, but what is it capable of. I can't find anything in the documentation.

Cheers

From JL Audio's website:

2500 watts RMS short-term

http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=371
post #6050 of 6594
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Originally Posted by CadmanDigital4U View Post

From JL Audio's website:

2500 watts RMS short-term

http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=371


Hi, thanks, but I meant at the A/C power point.

I am also confused regarding the 2500 short term rating on the amplifier. How does an amp actually produce more energy than it is fed? eg power point is 240V, 10amp = 2400watt.

If it draws more than 10 amps, shouldn't it be classed different, and have a different plug?

PS. I realise i'm dealing with 240v. In the US its even harder to understand, as the normal socket is rated at 15amps, so a total of only 1800watts.
post #6051 of 6594
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

Hi, thanks, but I meant at the A/C power point.

I am also confused regarding the 2500 short term rating on the amplifier. How does an amp actually produce more energy than it is fed? eg power point is 240V, 10amp = 2400watt.

If it draws more than 10 amps, shouldn't it be classed different, and have a different plug?

PS. I realise i'm dealing with 240v. In the US its even harder to understand, as the normal socket is rated at 15amps, so a total of only 1800watts.

Some of us here in the States use 20 amp sockets.The amp stores energy in it's capacitors.You're making it harder than this needs to be.
post #6052 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Some of us here in the States use 20 amp sockets.The amp stores energy in it's capacitors.You're making it harder than this needs to be.

I had wondered about stored energy in the caps.

The reason I am asking is that I have a submersive and F113, and I have just installed a 4800 watt dedicated line for them. I was starting to wonder if it was overkill. I realise its only the transient peaks I need to worry about.

Incidentally I put a watt meter on the submersive ( I would have on the JL, but its in storage) and it pulls around 43watts idle, and only peaked around 80watts with a bass disc.

I am thinking perhaps the meter can't keep up with the spikes ? Surely it would pull more than that.
post #6053 of 6594
I think it might be a short-term peak watt rating into a low impedance - for example if the driver's impedance is 2 ohms at say 30hz then the amp might put out 2500 watts for a very brief amount of time into the 2 ohm load at that frequency.

I've got 2 F113s per 20amp circuit (on an Equitech 7.5Q) and have never tripped a breaker even on those few occasions when I went above reference level with a bass heavy movie.
post #6054 of 6594
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

I had wondered about stored energy in the caps.

The reason I am asking is that I have a submersive and F113, and I have just installed a 4800 watt dedicated line for them. I was starting to wonder if it was overkill. I realise its only the transient peaks I need to worry about.

Incidentally I put a watt meter on the submersive ( I would have on the JL, but its in storage) and it pulls around 43watts idle, and only peaked around 80watts with a bass disc.

I am thinking perhaps the meter can't keep up with the spikes ? Surely it would pull more than that.

If your lights in the room dim on the peaks then you would need a seperate circuit for sure.
post #6055 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post
If your lights in the room dim on the peaks then you would need a seperate circuit for sure.
Don't know about that. Lighting is a separate circuit to power, at least here in Australia. If the lights dimmed that would suggest I was sagging the main house supply. Then no amount of separate lines would solve that problem.

As it doesn't suggest you need anything non standard in the JL manual one can assume that a standard outlet would suffice. But then that tells you nothing about how many subs you could run off the same outlet. This really is what I wanted to know. Although common sense would suggest one, this may not be the case in reality.

Getting back to the ac outlet. Although the ones in Oz are rated at 10amps they generally have 16 amp breakers. My electrician told me some used to have 20. So maybe a single standard ac outlet could cope with two. Provided you had nothing else on that same circuit.

All academic for me now, as I have run a separate line anyway. I just wondered if anyone had actually tested or run into problems before.

Now two gothoms on the other hand........
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Originally Posted by CadmanDigital4U View Post

He won't be selling any to me!

Aw, shucks.
post #6057 of 6594
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

Don't know about that. Lighting is a separate circuit to power, at least here in Australia. If the lights dimmed that would suggest I was sagging the main house supply. Then no amount of separate lines would solve that problem.

As it doesn't suggest you need anything non standard in the JL manual one can assume that a standard outlet would suffice. But then that tells you nothing about how many subs you could run off the same outlet. This really is what I wanted to know. Although common sense would suggest one, this may not be the case in reality.

Getting back to the ac outlet. Although the ones in Oz are rated at 10amps they generally have 16 amp breakers. My electrician told me some used to have 20. So maybe a single standard ac outlet could cope with two. Provided you had nothing else on that same circuit.

All academic for me now, as I have run a separate line anyway. I just wondered if anyone had actually tested or run into problems before.

Now two gothoms on the other hand........

I ran 5 - 20 amp circuits to the new wall I built behind my gear (each obviously on its own breaker). One outlet for each Gotham, one outlet for my Cinenova Grande Amplifier, one for my Denon AVR-5308 receiver and one for everything else.
post #6058 of 6594
I thought I heard somewhere that JL may be showing/introducing some new products at CES this year, is there any follow up to that?
post #6059 of 6594
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post
I thought I heard somewhere that JL may be showing/introducing some new products at CES this year, is there any follow up to that?
I was wondering the same thing as well???
post #6060 of 6594
For anyone who asked about power...

I have posted a JL Audio Home sub power chart which I hope answers some questions.
see: www.soundoctor.com/jlaudio/power

Let me know if you need anything additional. Happy New Year!
Barry
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