Originally Posted by hifisponge
I can honestly appreciate the technical prowess of these JL subs, and heck I even had more than a passing thought of replacing my Velodyne D15 with one of them, but I had a wake up call today.
You see, I completed my second AV room this week (converted my den into a 5.1 video game room) and just for kicks, I took the new sub out of the game room and placed it next to the DD15 in the main room (the room is 13 x 23 x 9). You know what? At anything but very loud listening levels the little sub held its own with the DD15. Keep in mind the game room sub (a Monitor Audio Radius 720) retails for $799, it uses two 8" drivers and a 250 watt amp. The DD15 is $4000, uses a 15" driver and a 1250 watt amp. The DD15 is probably capable of close to four times the output of the MA 720, yet at normal listening levels and even fairly loud listening levels the little sub sounded just as powerful punchy and weighty as the big one. You should also know that the 13 x 23 room is open to the rest of the house.
The part your missing is that the f113 has more output than the DD-18 with an MSRP that's less than the DD-15 price you quote.
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I just trying to provide some perspective on the importance of the output capability of the JL subs. Is anyone even using all of it? And do you really need it? I submit that most don't.
I would guess that most f113 owners are enjoying the parade with very good weather and lots of sunshine thank you very much!
The bigger issue here is the quality of the bass rather than the max output.
I would agree 100% with you. Quality is most important for me too. If you refer to the OP here
and read the thread you find that the OP is a dealer for both Velodyne and JL and states the sound quality of the f113 is better than the DD's. Other people in this thread as well as published reviews have had the same observations. IMO the quality is more accurate on the f113 regardless of volume level.
In that regard, I think because the DD line has the built in EQ, it still has the upper hand. Sure the Fathoms have notch filter, but what if you have more than one peak or a shallow valley you want to fill in? Anyway, in the end I think that many would be just fine with something like an SVS sub / Velodyne SMS-1 EQ combo versus a Fathom or a DD for that matter.
Who woulda thunk...???
In this case it would seem the sum of JL's parts are equal to Velodyne's solution as one owner in this thread has sold his SMS-1 finding the ARO room control running two f113's to be as good as the SMS-1.
I agree "many would be just fine with something like an SVS sub / Velodyne SMS-1 EQ combo"
, but I think most who hear this "combo" or the DD's side by side with the f113 will choose the f113.