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post #151 of 635
The wireless networking on the Elites is another differentiator. The specs state the Elites have a "Pro filter" whereas the other Pios do not mention the term "Pro filter" (whatever that means). Other people have stated the glass is identical; some say the processing is identical except that the Elites have more tweaking options.
post #152 of 635
Try a Dish Vip622 DVR unit...I can get PiP on my cmx505/KD combo, albeit with one picture a bit smaller than the main screen. Works just fine!
post #153 of 635
wanted to give early f/u on my new 507cmx plus KEY DIGITAL card. do NOT have HD hooked up yet, will give further info then.
1)ease of set up with KEY DIGITAL CARD AND STAND and spkr--less than 30 min, and i am no techie!
2)PQ of SD--90--95% as good as HD on my 42" ed panny plasma!! i was absolutely amazed! bright, very saturated color, excellent color accuracy, very sharp, black as any black on a tube tv, no motion artifact in football games, no "noise"--what can i say--and this is from the SD!! HD has NOT been hooked up yet--can't wait!!

when i have time, i just sit there and stare at the pic because it is so good, and i am no vid-phile or tv junkie! to my eyes, the pic was about perfect RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!! i foole arounf with the settings for a few hours, but in the end kept coming back to initial settings except with sl inc brightness. of course now i am doing the the anti burn in stage for about 200 hours or so with the settings turned way down.
3)between the pio's remote and the key digital's remote, there is a "TON" of modifiable settings, a techies's "dream come true"!!
4)total cost, inc stan/spkr (which i bought over ebay)plus ship/5 yr warr--3016$(less if you pay w check).( i bought it from chris at cleve plasma and he does EVERYTHING he says he is going to do--i highly recommend buying from him, regardless what brand you buy. he is very HONEST and RELIABLE!! what more do you want in an on-line vendor??)

thus it REALLY is equal to or better than an elite at 1000$ LESS in price, and i have NOT even seen the HD yet!! but i'm almost certain that if the SD is as good as it is, the HD is going to be that much better! i also will have it calibrated--though you techies out there could do it yourself, i'm sure; and there is a calibration setting on the key digital remote to play with.

will be back when hd is hooked up for further info. i may have ?? for you experts out there, but it just seems that everything is so smoothe and simple that even a novice like me can make an easy go of it. jeroldd
post #154 of 635
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Originally Posted by jeroldd View Post

wanted to give early f/u on my new 507cmx plus KEY DIGITAL card. do NOT have HD hooked up yet, will give further info then.
1)ease of set up with KEY DIGITAL CARD AND STAND and spkr--less than 30 min, and i am no techie!
2)PQ of SD--90--95% as good as HD on my 42" ed panny plasma!! i was absolutely amazed! bright, very saturated color, excellent color accuracy, very sharp, black as any black on a tube tv, no motion artifact in football games, no "noise"--what can i say--and this is from the SD!! HD has NOT been hooked up yet--can't wait!!

when i have time, i just sit there and stare at the pic because it is so good, and i am no vid-phile or tv junkie! to my eyes, the pic was about perfect RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!! i foole arounf with the settings for a few hours, but in the end kept coming back to initial settings except with sl inc brightness. of course now i am doing the the anti burn in stage for about 200 hours or so with the settings turned way down.
3)between the pio's remote and the key digital's remote, there is a "TON" of modifiable settings, a techies's "dream come true"!!
4)total cost, inc stan/spkr (which i bought over ebay)plus ship/5 yr warr--3016$(less if you pay w check).( i bought it from chris at cleve plasma and he does EVERYTHING he says he is going to do--i highly recommend buying from him, regardless what brand you buy. he is very HONEST and RELIABLE!! what more do you want in an on-line vendor??)

thus it REALLY is equal to or better than an elite at 1000$ LESS in price, and i have NOT even seen the HD yet!! but i'm almost certain that if the SD is as good as it is, the HD is going to be that much better! i also will have it calibrated--though you techies out there could do it yourself, i'm sure; and there is a calibration setting on the key digital remote to play with.

will be back when hd is hooked up for further info. i may have ?? for you experts out there, but it just seems that everything is so smoothe and simple that even a novice like me can make an easy go of it. jeroldd


I've always said that one of the things that impressed me the most about the 507CMX + KDS card is the incredible quality with SD. Therein lies the beauty of top notch processing ... cheers.
post #155 of 635
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Originally Posted by joshd View Post

I've always said that one of the things that impressed me the most about the 507CMX + KDS card is the incredible quality with SD. Therein lies the beauty of top notch processing ... cheers.

As I have been saying, "it's the processing" as processing is the weak link in the video chain today. I am still concerned, however, about the Key card / Pioneer combo not being able to deliver as promised a native rate signal from the card directly to the display and, therefore, the display having to perform a second scaling (if I understand the current state of affairs right).

I would love to see a side-by-side of this combo against the NEC, known for its outstanding processing. Has anyone seen such a comparison?

Cheers,

Gary
post #156 of 635
Maybe I'm not fully comprehending the issue here, and if I'm not, please feel free to edumacate me, but..


Isn't all the hand-wringing about having to scale a mere 5 extra vertical columns of resolution the equivalent of getting a 8 scoop ice cream sundae, drenched in hot fudge, with a huuuuge mound of whipped cream, lots & lots of nuts and a few cherries on top, but you're irritated that your friend Sally got 3 more little nuts on top of hers???

Isn't what we are really talking about here the mere equivalent of having to scale less than one half of one percent of the picture? I'm obsessive about so very many things in this world, but this wouldn't be one of them!!!!!!!
post #157 of 635
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Originally Posted by jeroldd View Post

wanted to give early f/u on my new 507cmx plus KEY DIGITAL card. do NOT have HD hooked up yet, will give further info then.
1)ease of set up with KEY DIGITAL CARD AND STAND and spkr--less than 30 min, and i am no techie!
2)PQ of SD--90--95% as good as HD on my 42" ed panny plasma!! i was absolutely amazed! bright, very saturated color, excellent color accuracy, very sharp, black as any black on a tube tv, no motion artifact in football games, no "noise"--what can i say--and this is from the SD!! HD has NOT been hooked up yet--can't wait!!

when i have time, i just sit there and stare at the pic because it is so good, and i am no vid-phile or tv junkie! to my eyes, the pic was about perfect RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!!

Congrats on your all-encompassing above-expectations experience, jeroldd! We'll look forward to your HD reports. Btw, if you haven't mentioned it already, how are you receiving your SD channels? That might provide some indication to others as to whether or not their experiences might be similar to yours, should they purchase the same panel.

Now, do yourself a big favor and never visit this forum again, at least, don't go anywhere outside of the safe & warm confines of this thread!
post #158 of 635
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Maybe I'm not fully comprehending the issue here, and if I'm not, please feel free to edumacate me, but..


Isn't all the hand-wringing about having to scale a mere 5 extra vertical columns of resolution the equivalent of getting a 8 scoop ice cream sundae, drenched in hot fudge, with a huuuuge mound of whipped cream, lots & lots of nuts and a few cherries on top, but you're irritated that your friend Sally got 3 more little nuts on top of hers???

Isn't what we are really talking about here the mere equivalent of having to scale less than one half of one percent of the picture? I'm obsessive about so very many things in this world, but this wouldn't be one of them!!!!!!!

The current understanding (discounting a singular unconfirmed report from one of Chris' customers that hasn't responded to my PMs), is that the card slot will only accept a max resolution of 1280x768. So the panel has to scale from 1280 to 1365 horizontal pixels. It's not huge at all, but it's a few more than the five pixels you mention.

And, IMHO, I absolutely cannot notice any issues with this AT ALL. The PQ is exceptional, so it doesn't bug me in the least that there is a double scaling operation going on here. Obviously the Pioneer panel handles the 1280 -> 1365 scaling quite well. This is a mere technical issue on paper that people (including myself at times) like to bitch about.

If people really care about 1:1 pixel mapping, then they can simply plug in to the DVI port on the panel which does support 1360x768 and can be set for 1:1 pass through (there's the 5 pixel thing, though FYI).

What bugs me the most at this point is the arrogance of KDS. At first, their card only supported 1024x768, and they tried to tell me I shouldn't be able to notice the difference. WRONG. Then they updated their firmware to support the maximum possible resolution (1280x768), and it does look great. Kudos to them for quick action there. However, they still seem to refuse to update their product literature, still claiming that their card outputs native rate to the 507CMX, which we know is not possible. Don't get me wrong, the PQ of their card is amazing and I don't regret buying it ... but I think they are riding that wave a little too high over there and need to get up to speed or start losing business ...

Just my opinion ...
post #159 of 635
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Now, do yourself a big favor and never visit this forum again, at least, don't go anywhere outside of the safe & warm confines of this thread!

Amen brother!
post #160 of 635
thanks for your feedback on my mini-diatribe, joshd.

so, if I'm figuring this correctly, there is 6% worth of scaling going on in the vertical, and 0% scaling along the horizontal, or, an averaged 3% worth of scaling required for the entire picture.
post #161 of 635
I'm getting ready to purchase my plasma within the next two weeks. I've narrowed it down to two displays, Pio-507cmx+KD and the Pio-5070. I started looking at the 507CMX for a couple of reasons. I really liked the fact that the KD card could be added to the set to give it supurb PQ(like an Elite) along with plenty of connectivity and additional features. Here's my problem. The issue with the card outputing NR really bugs me(it may not be that big of a deal but it is a 3k investment) and also not being able to accept 1080p(i know it can't display it,and i've read the "change the output on the source to a lower rez") but it still bugs me. I called KD to see what type of answer I could get for the future updates to the card or anything they might have in the works to get this thing to display NR. The guy in tech support was NO help. He basically read everything from their online description, having to look all the info up. This really discouraged me. Chris from Cleveland Plasma said that he has costumers that can get NR from slot 3 with the Pio card. Why the hell can't the KD card? And he says there are gray areas and some adjustments that need to be made for NR to be accomplished. Okay, what are they so we can all figure this out. Sounds like a sales pitch to me. From what I've read on this forum most buyers are satisfied with the 507cmx and PQ. It bothers me that i can't see this set in person to verify just to myself how good the PQ is to ME! After all,I am the one who has to be pleased with the set, not the other members of this forum.

Now here's where I'm stuck. I was really considering this combo based on PQ and PRICE! It now looks like the 507cmx+KD is gonna cost me 300 more than the 5070. The 5070 has all the inputs i need, and OTA tuners.The 5070 will display NR scaling it once, it will accept 1080p ,it looks great and it is cheaper. One more, I can see it in person.

So I guess my question is whether the 507cmx combo is really worth the extra money compared to the 5070,and is the processing of the KD card that much better?

Thank you for reading-all comments welcome
post #162 of 635
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Originally Posted by ggemmill17 View Post

I'm getting ready to purchase my plasma within the next two weeks. I've narrowed it down to two displays, Pio-507cmx+KD and the Pio-5070. I started looking at the 507CMX for a couple of reasons. I really liked the fact that the KD card could be added to the set to give it supurb PQ(like an Elite) along with plenty of connectivity and additional features. Here's my problem. The issue with the card outputing NR really bugs me(it may not be that big of a deal but it is a 3k investment) and also not being able to accept 1080p(i know it can't display it,and i've read the "change the output on the source to a lower rez") but it still bugs me. I called KD to see what type of answer I could get for the future updates to the card or anything they might have in the works to get this thing to display NR. The guy in tech support was NO help. He basically read everything from their online description, having to look all the info up. This really discouraged me. Chris from Cleveland Plasma said that he has costumers that can get NR from slot 3 with the Pio card. Why the hell can't the KD card? And he says there are gray areas and some adjustments that need to be made for NR to be accomplished. Okay, what are they so we can all figure this out. Sounds like a sales pitch to me. From what I've read on this forum most buyers are satisfied with the 507cmx and PQ. It bothers me that i can't see this set in person to verify just to myself how good the PQ is to ME! After all,I am the one who has to be pleased with the set, not the other members of this forum.

Now here's where I'm stuck. I was really considering this combo based on PQ and PRICE! It now looks like the 507cmx+KD is gonna cost me 300 more than the 5070. The 5070 has all the inputs i need, and OTA tuners.The 5070 will display NR scaling it once, it will accept 1080p ,it looks great and it is cheaper. One more, I can see it in person.

So I guess my question is whether the 507cmx combo is really worth the extra money compared to the 5070,and is the processing of the KD card that much better?

Thank you for reading-all comments welcome


The two options really serve different markets in my opinion. If you want a turn-key, out of the box, consumer packaged solution with attached speakers and stand, then the 5070 is probably for you. If you don't need the speakers and stand, and don't mind installing things similar to peripheral PC cards and want the extra HDMI connectivity and upgradeability, then the 507 + Key Card is probably the better solution.

Having seen both, I do believe the 507 + Key Card rewards with a better picture, especially with SD source material.

I would discount the 1080p issue completely. You don't need to select a lower resolution ... 1080i is the same resolution with the same amount of picture information as 1080p, just stored in a different format. All the information is there, and with proper de-interlacing, nothing is lost.

Finally, I'm waiting for any proof of this so-called grey area and ability for the card slot to accept NR. It would be so simple ... when you hit the display button on the remote, it tells you the incoming resolution. All someone needs to do who is claiming this is take a screen shot showing the supposed incoming NR. This proof has not been forthcoming. With that said, I would discount this issue as well since the end results are still stunning to my eye at least.
post #163 of 635
hey CRUEL--name fits!!--i get my SD channels from DIRECT TV satellite, to my satellite antenna, and then by coaxial cable to my DTV receiver, then by very cheap S-video cable to the S-VIDEO input on my KEY DIGITAL card, which i recently inserted into my new pioneer 507cmx pdp. i hope you are now "edumacated".

and no, i'm certainly no ARROGANT knowitall techie like "SOMEONE" seems to be, but i have gone from knowing NOTHING 3 mos ago about tvs/etc to at least knowing the lingo(due to the efforts of of patient, giving, classy people who didn't mind helping novices like me)--but , obviously, i'm still not up to YOUR standards.

in my "naive", "simpleton" post i was just letting REASONABLE people know that SD on this pdp with the key card is EXCELLENT--and you don't have to be a rocket scientist or electronics wizard to be able to convey that concept or infer it--even from a novice like me.

lastly, i regret to inform you, i WILL continue to frequent 3 or 4 OTHER forum threads(06,07 pio, pio5070 vs panny 50, etc) that promote educated discourse amongst people who not only really know their areas of expertise, but are Dignified and Mature enough NOT to denigrate others who don't "measure up".

Thus, it probably is best that YOU remain in the "WARM CONFINES" of THIS thread and AVOID these OTHER threads UNTIL you reach a maturity level commensurate with CLASSY DIGNIFIED, and MATURE people who populate these threads.

cruel---the good, and inevitable, thing is that we all grow up--eventually!! you probably will too!! jeroldd
post #164 of 635
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Originally Posted by jeroldd View Post

hey CRUEL--name fits!!--i get my SD channels from DIRECT TV satellite, to my satellite antenna, and then by coaxial cable to my DTV receiver, then by very cheap S-video cable to the S-VIDEO input on my KEY DIGITAL card, which i recently inserted into my new pioneer 507cmx pdp. i hope you are now "edumacated".

and no, i'm certainly no ARROGANT knowitall techie like "SOMEONE" seems to be, but i have gone from knowing NOTHING 3 mos ago about tvs/etc to at least knowing the lingo(due to the efforts of of patient, giving, classy people who didn't mind helping novices like me)--but , obviously, i'm still not up to YOUR standards.

in my "naive", "simpleton" post i was just letting REASONABLE people know that SD on this pdp with the key card is EXCELLENT--and you don't have to be a rocket scientist or electronics wizard to be able to convey that concept or infer it--even from a novice like me.

lastly, i regret to inform you, i WILL continue to frequent 3 or 4 OTHER forum threads(06,07 pio, pio5070 vs panny 50, etc) that promote educated discourse amongst people who not only really know their areas of expertise, but are Dignified and Mature enough NOT to denigrate others who don't "measure up".

Thus, it probably is best that YOU remain in the "WARM CONFINES" of THIS thread and AVOID these OTHER threads UNTIL you reach a maturity level commensurate with CLASSY DIGNIFIED, and MATURE people who populate these threads.

cruel---the good, and inevitable, thing is that we all grow up--eventually!! you probably will too!! jeroldd

umm, I took his comments in a light-hearted joking fashion ... I guess you read it differently!
post #165 of 635
joshd--yea, you're maybe right, but it just seemed to go beyond the confines of joking or sarcasm. i don't have a thin skin or anything, and wasn't even going to respond until i reread it a couple of times. it then sounded LESS and LESS joking each time so i decided to "joke" right back.

hopefully cruel will chime in with an explanation--or on second thought maybe he shouldn't. this is a xxxcmx thread, and we should probably stick to the topic!! sorry for getting off the subject.

and i DO have a couple of questions for the experts: is there a REAL SIGNIFICANT VISIBLE difference between a 1280 resolution(from 8- 10 feet) and 1360/1365? and is the supposed inability of the key digital card to input NR of 1365/1360 going to be noticeable from 8-10 feet away?? thus, are a lot of the "issues" with the key dig card more out of paranoia, theory, or "pickiness" than out of REAL substance which will materially compromise PQ?? thanx for your answers, jeroldd(yours too, cruel)
post #166 of 635
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Originally Posted by jeroldd View Post

joshd--yea, you're maybe right, but it just seemed to go beyond the confines of joking or sarcasm. i don't have a thin skin or anything, and wasn't even going to respond until i reread it a couple of times. it then sounded LESS and LESS joking each time so i decided to "joke" right back.

hopefully cruel will chime in with an explanation--or on second thought maybe he shouldn't. this is a xxxcmx thread, and we should probably stick to the topic!! sorry for getting off the subject.

and i DO have a couple of questions for the experts: is there a REAL SIGNIFICANT VISIBLE difference between a 1280 resolution(from 8- 10 feet) and 1360/1365? and is the supposed inability of the key digital card to input NR of 1365/1360 going to be noticeable from 8-10 feet away?? thus, are a lot of the "issues" with the key dig card more out of paranoia, theory, or "pickiness" than out of REAL substance which will materially compromise PQ?? thanx for your answers, jeroldd(yours too, cruel)

I don't think it's noticeable from 8 inches away, let alone 8 feet. It's more of a theoretical issue that you don't want multiple scaling operations being performed on your video signal. This is probably most significant for HTPC applications where you're reading text documents etc., but I suppose in theory it could cause artifacts under normal TV/movie viewing conditions. However, the scaling operation from 1280x768 to 1365x768 is sooooooo minimal (which was cruel's point I believe), that it doesn't seem to play a factor here that I can tell so far.
post #167 of 635
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Originally Posted by joshd View Post

umm, I took his comments in a light-hearted joking fashion ... I guess you read it differently!


ding! ding! ding! we have ourselves a winner!


jeroldd, I'm totally lost as to why you took my post as a challenge to your competence. First, I congratulated you for your positive experience so far, even going so far as to throw in a smiley face for good measure! Then, I make a simple request for you to share your SD usage info for exactly the reason I stated.. to allow others to measure themselves against your equipment/sources, in order to give them a better sense of how they might fare if under similar circumstances as you.


and as far as my last comment advising you not to leave this thread.. since you apparently interpreted this to be some kind of insult to the quality of your posting contributions (no!).. the main reason I said that was only because there are reports from the recent 2007 CES show that Pioneer demonstrated a dramatic improvement in the quality of their next generation plasma models and now many are in the throws of a frantic tizzy about wanting to upgrade their current panels or delaying their panel purchases for months, in order to wait for these new models to come to market.

I didn't want to go into detail about this new Pioneer development (for your own protection), but your surprising defensiveness here forced me to come clean! As such, I bare no responsibility if you should subsequently go on to develop any buyers remorse!
post #168 of 635
Thanks to all for the good information here. It helped me stay in the Pionner family!

I will have no buyers remorse over the 425CMX and Key Digital I just ordered for a small sitting room. For well less than $1600 delivered I don't think there is a better value out there.

I will wait to see the expected glory of the new screens before replacing my Elite 510 rear projector. That set is a hard act for any plasma to follow at the moment. I hope the new ones can equal or top the older Elite rear projection sets.

I will report back next week on how that combination compares to older set using a Direct TV H10-250 and an Oppo 970 HD DVD player.
post #169 of 635
Do the Pioneer CMX's have more and/or better anti-IR features than the consumer models? I know they have the Seamless Orbiter, white signal display, screen reversal display, and soft focus modes, and was wondering if the consumer line has similar features. Assuming the CMXs have these features and the consumer line doesn't how much difference is there in their respective ant-IR ability? Thanks.
post #170 of 635
I read through this entire thread but I am still confused on a few things in regards to the PDP-507CMX.

1. What is the true native resolution of the panel? Is it 1360 or 1365?

2. What is the 5 pixel thing mentioned in regards to the dvi input? If I were to use an HTPC or external scaler will a 1365 signal display at 1:1 pixel mapping?

3. Is the DVI input HDCP enabled out of the box without any additional cards/adapters/scalers?

Thanks.
post #171 of 635
All,

I'm not nearly as up to speed on the stats as most of you are, but I do have the 507 CMX with the KD card.
Here's my status. I have a defective card that gives me horizontal lines dashing across the screen. The company I bought it from has told me to wait to get a new one until they fix the compatibility issues with the panel. I have bypassed the card and am using the DVI port that comes with the TV.

This is a decent work around, but the net net is, i'm only using the KD card to "unlock" the DVI port so it will play cable signals. Since I need to run 2 cables to my TV, one from my set top box (FIOS) since it won't accept the HDMI switching from my pioneer receiver 1600 without shutting down and 1 from the receiver with my xbox 360 and dvd player. The situation I have now, is my 3K set up cant play a dvd or the xbox until this card is resolved which im starting to wonder if it ever will be. the guys are key digital are a bunch of morons. the set up guide was a joke and they didn't even ship the remote with the right batteries. this is minor league for a company supposed to have the best in class... anyone get an update on when this boat anchor is going to get fixed??

The panel looks amazing through the DVI port with the FIOS, but i need the additional ports to be back in action.
post #172 of 635
bigbing,

Why not just get the monoprice 5 port HDMI switcher and some DVI to HDMI adapters?
post #173 of 635
I'm wondering if i can get away with a different card so i'm not using a 500 hund. dollar option to just unlock the dvi port on the tv...

Otherwise, if i keep the KD card, i was thinking the same thing, use a switcher. i was looking at the gefen one. I haven't researched the monoprice one yet. Are you using it?

If the STB would pass through a HDMI reciever, I'd be all set, but i haven't had any luck with that...
post #174 of 635
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Originally Posted by bigbing View Post

I'm wondering if i can get away with a different card so i'm not using a 500 hund. dollar option to just unlock the dvi port on the tv...

Otherwise, if i keep the KD card, i was thinking the same thing, use a switcher. i was looking at the gefen one. I haven't researched the monoprice one yet. Are you using it?

If the STB would pass through a HDMI reciever, I'd be all set, but i haven't had any luck with that...

Have you tried it without the card in place? I was able to send HDMI out from my HD-DVD player to DVI in on the Pioneer panel with no problem without a card in the slot at all. I know Chris has said in the past that the card is needed to unlock the DVI port for HDCP, but I have not found this to be the case. Maybe it was true in the older models ...
post #175 of 635
There are several online retailers selling Pioneer plasma for cheap. As per Pioneer website only 25 online retailers are allowed to sell the Pio TV/Monitor. I was told by Pio csr, If I purchase plasma from any other then the list on their website, I will not be qualified for the maufacturer warranty! Is this correct information?

Has anyone purchase this TV from vendors other then listed on Pio website?
Was there any issue with the warranty? What is the best work around? I was thinking of getting the Mac warranty to protect my purchase.
post #176 of 635
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Originally Posted by btmedolin View Post

I read through this entire thread but I am still confused on a few things in regards to the PDP-507CMX.

1. What is the true native resolution of the panel? Is it 1360 or 1365?

I'm still not 100% sure on this one. I fed it 1360x768 from my PC DVI -> DVI and it filled the screen perfectly. But then later I realized that I had the set in Full mode, not 1:1. In 1:1 mode, I might have seen the 5 dark pixels. I need to retest, which means lugging my PC downstairs since this isn't a normal setup for me ....

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Originally Posted by btmedolin View Post

2. What is the 5 pixel thing mentioned in regards to the dvi input? If I were to use an HTPC or external scaler will a 1365 signal display at 1:1 pixel mapping?

See above. The DVI port accepts 1360x768 but not 1365x768 AFAIK. The theory is that if you feed it 1360x768 and select 1:1 on the panel, there will be 5 dark pixels in the horizontal plane. Not tested yet ...


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Originally Posted by btmedolin View Post

3. Is the DVI input HDCP enabled out of the box without any additional cards/adapters/scalers?

It was for me. I was able to get a 720p signal to lock from my HD-DVD player to the panel's DVI port without a card in the slot. Note that the DVI input wont lock to 1080i with or without a card in the slot. The whole 'need a card to unlock the DVI port' thing does not seem to be true with this set.
post #177 of 635
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Originally Posted by dealhunter999 View Post

There are several online retailers selling Pioneer plasma for cheap. As per Pioneer website only 25 online retailers are allowed to sell the Pio TV/Monitor. I was told by Pio csr, If I purchase plasma from any other then the list on their website, I will not be qualified for the maufacturer warranty! Is this correct information? NO IT IS NOT.

Has anyone purchase this TV from vendors other then listed on Pio website?
Was there any issue with the warranty? What is the best work around? I was thinking of getting the Mac warranty to protect my purchase.

That is for Consumer models 4270HD, 5070HD, and 6070HD. Anyone can sell you a monitor 425cmx, 507cmx, and 607cmx. Pioner Elites can not be sold on the net.

Keep in mind "The best price is not always the best deal" . Buy from a reputable company.
post #178 of 635
I have a 425CMX and Key digital card due to arrive soon and would like to decide what signals are best to feed it to keep down the amount of duplication is scaling etc.

The two sources are:

DirectTV HR10-250 HD DVR
if HDMI: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i ?
if component is it any different?

Thinking 1080i might be best for this one?



Oppo 970
HDMI ?
Thinking 480i might be best here?

Your input is appreciated!
post #179 of 635
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Originally Posted by dealhunter999 View Post

There are several online retailers selling Pioneer plasma for cheap. As per Pioneer website only 25 online retailers are allowed to sell the Pio TV/Monitor. I was told by Pio csr, If I purchase plasma from any other then the list on their website, I will not be qualified for the maufacturer warranty! Is this correct information?

Has anyone purchase this TV from vendors other then listed on Pio website?
Was there any issue with the warranty? What is the best work around? I was thinking of getting the Mac warranty to protect my purchase.

The Pioneer Elite line is restricted to a local geographic retail sales, and the Pioneer Purevision HD series is restricted to an authorized list of dealers pre-approved directly by Pioneer. The Professional CMX series products to do not have the same level of restrictions, but I would strongly recommend buying from a strustworthy sponsor like those who are sponsoring the AVS Forum. The Pioneer Elite line is restricted to a local geographic retail sales, and the Pioneer Purevision HD series is restricted to an authorized list of dealers pre-approved directly by Pioneer. The Professional CMX series products to do not have the same level of restrictions, but I would strongly recommend buying from a strustworthy sponsor like those who are sponsoring the AVS Forum. The Pioneer Elite line is restricted to a local geographic retail sales, and the Pioneer Purevision HD series is restricted to an authorized list of dealers pre-approved directly by Pioneer. The Professional CMX series products to do not have the same level of restrictions, but I would strongly recommend buying from a trustworthy sponsor like those who are sponsoring the AVS Forum.
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I have a 425CMX and Key digital card due to arrive soon and would like to decide what signals are best to feed it to keep down the amount of duplication is scaling etc.

The two sources are:

DirectTV HR10-250 HD DVR
if HDMI: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i ?
if component is it any different?

Thinking 1080i might be best for this one?



Oppo 970
HDMI ?
Thinking 480i might be best here?

Your input is appreciated!

Key Digital makes an excellent processor. Therefore, if at all possible you want it to perform as many video processing functions as possible. Conversely, to the extent possible, you only want the Key card doing the processing, not other components. In particular, if possible, you don't want other inferior components' processing to be redundant with the Key card and tainting the signal.

For a STB, avoid its processing by configuring it to pass the signal through as received, 720p goes through as 720p and 1080i goes through as 1080i. STBs have cheap processors and you don't want yours to mess up the signal. Many STBs allow this with a "native" setting or some such setting.

For a SD DVD, I would recommend if possible sending a signal as 480i over a digital connection. This is not always possible but if your player can do this it will again avoid processing in the player and allow the Key card to do its thing in a quality way.

Of course, it always pays to try the signal path several diferent ways. Perhaps with your particular components you will have better luck with another chain of processing.

Remember motion de-interlacing is one of the more difficult things to do correctly and so if your original source is interlaced (SD DVD and 1080i broadcasts) try to send the interlaced signal to the display and let the Key card do what you paid for. I think you will get the best PQ this way.

Finally. Please report back and tell us what you find with various setups as we would all like to hear what you actually find.

Cheers,

Gary
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