Pioneer PDP-505CMX / 507CMX / 607CMX monitor - Page 12

Yes with regards to understanding the double scaling.

However, that fact alone does not logically imply "on paper" that the 5070 would look better. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. I don't know.

Sure the processor in the 5070 is good no doubt about it. But the KD card is an external video processor in the form factor of a plug in card. It comes from a processor company that has a long and as far as I know a good reputation for video processing algorthims. "On paper" the processing features of the KD card appear to extend far beyond the Pioneer's internal processor. Appears only; as again I don't know.

With this appearance, however, I can see why the net effect of a more advanced KD card processing combined with a little extra scaling could easily beat the 5070's picture. The commercial display also has a more advanced filter and I believe other features beyond those offered in Pioneers consumer line.

I am not at all surprised to hear that this combination yields a great picture. Still it is sad that the primary concept of a quality video processor that fits into the display as a card performing all the processing and driving the display at its native rate 1:1 internally is dashed this year by some collosal engineering or political blunder or just gross incompetance on someone's part. If all had worked out as expected the picture would certainly have been even better.

Who knows, perhaps next year they will get this straightened out.

Cheers,

Gary

Next year, if you're on the cutting edge, you'd likely be getting a 1080p display which eliminates much of the scaling previously required.

How do you figure? At 1080p the only things that don't get scaled are 1080i and 1080p sources. Seems like you would still have a lot of scaled content.

If I were to get a 427CMX with a Key Digital card would I notice the fact that I'm only getting 1024 x 768? I know is a bit of a rhetorical question but I'm curious as to others' experiences. I currently have a Sony 32S2000 LCD which is 1366 x 768. I understand the difference in quality, I'm just a bit nervous about losing 342 pixels. I'd get the 50" but my college budget doesn't look great for a purchase like that. Any info/opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Not to nitpick but you would be losing 262,656 pixels, not just 342

In my opinion the larger screen would be a benefit even if it does have a lower resolution. How far away from it do you watch the TV?

Excuse me.

But it sure seems that you're loosing an awful lot of resolution with the Key Digital Card.

My viewing distance is about 7 feet.

Some pictures of my 425-CMX w\\ PDA-5004 card.

HERE

Those vertical lines in some of the pictures are from the camera and don't show in person.

How do you figure?

Thanks for the pics Droid. That Gears of War pic is jaw dropping. I can't imagine what that would look like with the key digital card. I'm certainly impressed.

And those pics don't even do the set justice either.

P.S. If you look in the upper left of the Gears pic you can see my daughter standing on my couch in the reflection. The reflection isn't that severe from my normal viewing angle.

Heh, I didn't even think twice about reflection. I just thought your place was haunted by ghost babies!!!

I spoke with Key Digital today about the new firmware update. I am very interested in this combo and was hoping that this might be the fix to the resolution issues. Well, it turns out that it is not. It seems to be a fix to a condition when users switch between HDMI inputs and lose their audio. So I of course asked the tech if they had any plans in the future to possibly work with Pioneer to get this resolution issue fixed? His answer was no, blaming it on Pioneer not letting input 3 accept NR. He went one step further and said that Key Digital is discontinuing the card for the Pioneer display. Yes thats right,making no more. When asked why he responded, that he didn't know for sure, and said they would not support a 8G panel if one came out.
Now this brings up some interesting thoughts. Do I grab one of these before they are all sold, or was this combo never really all it was cracked up to be, and should I look elsewhere? Shocking news to me today at any rate.

That is really unfortunate, however it makes my decision easier

I wonder why they won't support an 8G panel. Anger about this round of displays?

No Pio507cmx in my future I fear. Time to start looking closer at the NEC 50XR6.

That's not good news if it turns out to be true. I haven't got the expendable cash to order a Key Digital card yet.

Can anyone tell me what the difference between the 425CMX and the 427CMX are? I've looked on the Pioneer website and there isn't much info that is any different about the two panels.

Also, is there a difference between the KD-PC1 and the KD-PC2? I've found info on both model numbers, but I haven't seen anything that is different.

I think the KD-PC2 is just the card with the updated firmware loaded when it is shipped.
Check earlier in this thread for the differences between the 425 and 427,better glass and blacks I think.

Well, if it won't accept its native resolution, then the key card's value is diminished.

A few questions after reading this thread for a few weeks. I am on the fence between the 5070 and the 507cmx. Between the 507cmx with PDA 5004 card and the KD card. I don't need the speakers or the tuner and the inputs of the PDA 5004 card will suite me for now. I will use the tv/monitor for tv viewing and a little bit of gaming (not for the computer). Percentage wise, I would say my TV viewing can be divided as follows: (50% HD, 30% SD, 15% SD DVD, 5% Gaming). From this thread, I have read the following observations:

507cmx with KD card has PQ similar to Elite.
507cmx with PDA 5004 card should have same PQ as 5070.
One person said he couldn't tell the difference between 507cmx with KD card and 507cmx with PDA 5004 card.
507cmx w/ KD card does not pass NR.

How big of a deal is the NR issue for my type of viewing from 9ft away?
How big of a difference is the PQ of the kd card vs the PDA 5004 card? The price of the monitor w/ the PD5004 card appears to be hundreds less than the 5070 with same PQ. Should I just purchase the cmx with the PDA 5004 card and maybe in the future a company comes out with a card that is superior to the current KD card?

Can't see a reason to buy the 5070 if speakers and tuner are not critical.

Need to purchase the TV in a week or two. NEC seems like a good answer if money was no object, unfortunatley, it is, and the NEC is a lot more expensive than the cmx with the pda 5004 card.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Thanks for the quick reply. So what do you think? With the amount of SD viewing that I have noted, would you spend the extra bucks? How often do companies release these cards? If I purchase the PDA 5004, hoping that a better card is released, could I be holding my breath for too long?

Thanks again.

I've been trying to think of a comparison system for those of us who have never had a plasma. I think I found something that may work.

I have a Sony 32S2000 LCD. If anyone has had experience with this panel or something like it, LCD of course, can you please post how you think the Pioneer plasmas are comparing. I'm sure the Pioneers are better, but for someone in my situation where I've never owned a plasma I have no clue how to compare a 425CMX to a 427CMX to a 4270. I'm guessing that any of the three are better than my Sony LCD, but it would be helpful to read what someone's experiences are, and hopefully make the decision a little easier.

chris,
are you saying that the tvp500f has not been released yet, or that there will be an updated card to work with the 7th-gen pioneers? doing a quick search, i found quite a few retailers who stock the tvp500f. also, the msrp for that board seems in line with the msrp for the key digital boards. that said, there does seem to be a significant difference in street prices. i'll be curious if the aurora board suffers from the same issues as the key digital.

thanks,
bA

Chris,
Have you heard any news from Key Digital about discontinuing their card?

If Key Digitals claim is correct, no card will be able to drive the display at 1365x768 as the panel doesn't accept it via input 3. What type of processing power does the aurora card have compared to key digitals? Is Aurora tuner a HD one?

That is an excellent point. If the Pioneer PDA-5004 can run the monitor at its NR that would debunk the theory that slot 3 can't accept NR. Would there be a way to get a screenshot of someone using the PDA-5004 with the res displayed?

So the issue is not with the Pioneer panel but with the Key Digitial card. Are the Key Digital techs flat out lying?