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Yamaha RXV1700 vs Marantz SR7001

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Anybody out there have any views on this both pretty new and short on reviews?
Thanks
post #2 of 22
given the simplicity of the question and reviews, i'd say the marantz will be better with music, and equal with film. I think your sound quality will be higher but functionality will be lower with the marantz. More specific question may be able to give a more specific answer however.
post #3 of 22
Only way we'll really know sound-quality differences is by doing a "live" comparison, using a common set of speakers and music source material, etc.,....

Seems people are basing sound quality on brand reputation, over a span of years, as opposed to just [current] model-to-model comparison.
post #4 of 22
you got that right westcoastD!!! My response is most definitely a generality based on my personal tastes and subjectivity!!! A live comparison would most definitely be the way to go especially since the hard earned money is being spent by sharky5. Let your ears be the judge my brother!
BTW, i haven't done a model-to-model comparison of the marantz or yamaha at hand, only different models of equivalent price of the manufacturers in question. Is there a place you can listen to both in the same listening room with the same speakers in an a/b switch atmosphere?
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

Is there a place you can listen to both in the same listening room with the same speakers in an a/b switch atmosphere?

I would love to, only not likely many dealers will stock both Yamaha and Marantz AV receivers under the same roof (at least that I know of)..............

today's competitive [commercial] market seems to mostly push Yamaha, Denon and Pioneer (and maybe Sony and HK here and there), at places like BestBuy, CircuitCity, Tweeter, etc.,..But I can remember the day's (probably 70's & 80's) when Marantz was one of the popular, commercial, brands found at the more popular chains. Now I only find Marantz available at a few specialty, or boutique, audio shops, or maybe on-line. Although, Marantz has maintained a good level of product functionality and quality, and has a solid following.

However, the new-generation of Yamaha's are exceptionally good, in particular the RX-V1600/RX-V2600 and the recent RX-V1700/RX-V2700 family of models. Sound quality is a step beyond most all their previous models, as well as many comparable Denon and Pioneer Elite models (I think).

So, you pretty much have to do a "live" comparison.
post #6 of 22
ya man, i would love to be able to directly compare receivers (isolate) as well. Problem is i would have to go to 2 different dealers with 2 different sound rooms and speaker setups to compare, which is by no means a feasible or reliable way to "judge" performance. There is just too many factors that would determine the "sound" I or anyone would "interpret" to reasonably discern one over the other. its too subjective.
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
The bastard is I live in South Africa, the Yammie 1600 has just been realesed and is like the equivelent of $1750 we get ripped to pieces by retailers.

The Marnantz is the same sort of price, so I have to trust you guys and get it shipped to a mate in NY and then here. Then test it when it arrives...

But it will still land (1700 or even the 2700) for a lot less than they are selling the 1600 here, Crazy!

Thanks for the help though!
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sharky5 View Post

The Marnantz is the same sort of price, so I have to trust you guys and get it shipped to a mate in NY and then here. Then test it when it arrives...

I would do everything possible to get your hands on, at least, a Yamaha RX-V2600, you'll be very happy. You'll be shocked with how good sound quality it has as well as video-processing capabilities.
post #9 of 22
Well, personally, I think the ONKYO TX-SR804 is the best bang for the buck. It does basically everything the yammi's and marantz does and you can get it for between $700.00 and $1,000.00..............

You should check it out. I just demo'd the marantz at magnolia, along with a pioneer elite and it was sweet. Haven't seen a yamaha live yet. But, I think the onkyo is definitely worth looking at.
post #10 of 22
I currently have an HK AVR 7000 and am looking to replace it. The AVR 745 isn't it. It's an overpriced behemoth with faulty software, does strange things.

cnet liked it and the onkyo website is o.k. as well.
post #11 of 22
The Marantz has more HDMI imputs. That's why I'm considering it.
post #12 of 22
7001 like the 8001 has an issue with MPCM > 5.1 (tested with Crank BR on PS3 and Resistance Fall of Men game)

If you are running only 5.1 setup, get the Marantz.

I SO wanted to buy the Marantz 8001 (4xHDMI inputs is really a good feature) but I am using 7.1 and it wasn't the right set up for me.

The 1700 (and the 2700 I eventually bought) have no issues with MPCM 6.1/7.1
post #13 of 22
Also, all of us Marantz owners are hoping they fix the LPCM problem. They are trying to get as much info as possible and they supposedly have a few different models hooked up to PS3 so they can get the issue ironed out. Since the new line of receivers, the X001 series, just recently came out and these issues are just now popping up as people are actually trying to feed 7.1 LPCM to receivers, I am hopeful they will release a firmware update. Other than that, the Marantz is an awesome receiver.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by DblHelix View Post

Also, all of us Marantz owners are hoping they fix the LPCM problem. They are trying to get as much info as possible and they supposedly have a few different models hooked up to PS3 so they can get the issue ironed out. Since the new line of receivers, the X001 series, just recently came out and these issues are just now popping up as people are actually trying to feed 7.1 LPCM to receivers, I am hopeful they will release a firmware update. Other than that, the Marantz is an awesome receiver.

I agree, they look awesome, built awesome, has good remote, plenty hdmi, but this pcm issue was deal breaker for me unfortunately
post #15 of 22
I also would have bought the Marantz apart from the LPCM limitation, as 7.1 channels is a mandatory requirement for me.

Quite frankly, I find it unbelievable that Marantz can spec this product with HDMI 1.2a and then not have ensured that 7.1 LPCM inputs were enabled. And further adding fuel is that after many weeks of this concern being raised, Marantz still cannot comment why not. Whilst I appreciate that Marantz US is a sales / marketing arm, you would think 24 hours for emails back to the engineers in Japan would clear this up.

Like a number of these CE companies, they don't make any of the individual chipsets, such as the HDMI receiver chips. And it would appear in the case of Marantz, they don't know what is enabled or not in the chipsets they are using. Mind you, they aren't alone.

I'd get the Yamaha unless you are, and always will be, happy with 5.1 channels.

And there have been a number of reviews of both in Europe, particularly in Germany. Both rate well, but the V1700 is more consistently rated higher. It would seem there is little difference in audio between the V1700 and V2700, and the differences relate more to feature sets. But there appears to be a difference in audio quality between the S7001 and S8001. I haven't been able to compare these at a dealer. As others have mentioned, it would appear that the Marantz has a warmer, richer sound than the Yamaha. Which is right depends on how you feel your current speakers and room are working together.
post #16 of 22
What made the choice harder for me was that I could get the 8001 for the price of the 1700. With 4 HDMI inputs and better build quality and better power subsystems and smaller form factor (the 2700 protrudes out of my AV rack), it was very very hard for me to choose the 2700 and pay extra!

But I do have a 7.1 system (have for the last 4 years) with a PS3, so the MPCM issue was a dealbreaker for me.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I would love to, only not likely many dealers will stock both Yamaha and Marantz AV receivers under the same roof (at least that I know of)..............

today's competitive [commercial] market seems to mostly push Yamaha, Denon and Pioneer (and maybe Sony and HK here and there), at places like BestBuy, CircuitCity, Tweeter, etc.,..But I can remember the day's (probably 70's & 80's) when Marantz was one of the popular, commercial, brands found at the more popular chains. Now I only find Marantz available at a few specialty, or boutique, audio shops, or maybe on-line. Although, Marantz has maintained a good level of product functionality and quality, and has a solid following.

However, the new-generation of Yamaha's are exceptionally good, in particular the RX-V1600/RX-V2600 and the recent RX-V1700/RX-V2700 family of models. Sound quality is a step beyond most all their previous models, as well as many comparable Denon and Pioneer Elite models (I think).

So, you pretty much have to do a "live" comparison.

wow ok, to say that yamaha is close to a marantz in sound quality is asinine. I have had rotel, marantz SR-8001, denon AVR-2805, and now a yamaha rx-v2600. And let me tell you i have listened to them in my home with the same system and the denon is noticeably better than the yamaha in sound quality. I miss my denon but it died recently after 2 1/2 years of use. My Marantz is noticeably better than the denon in music and is about the same in movies. The rotel is just the best, compared to all that i have used, the sound will floor you. Marantz versus yamaha? lol hahahahaha. It's laughable to even consider comparing them in SQ. Yamahas are too bright, not enough oomph, and its midrange isnt that great. Marantz doesnt have the features that yamahas have but i dont care. All i care about is sound quality. And all those bells and whistles that yamaha carries are useless to me. Who will play their music in a opera hall DSP? seriously. video processing is weak as well. Yamahas sacrifice sound quality to pack in all those video processing features and bells and whistles that consumers want. Marantz doesnt have those bells and whistles and that is why it sounds much better, at least to my ears. Feel free to chastise me, however, I have had some extensive experience for many years with receivers.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by riiaku View Post

wow ok, to say that yamaha is close to a marantz in sound quality is asinine. I have had rotel, marantz SR-8001, denon AVR-2805, and now a yamaha rx-v2600. And let me tell you i have listened to them in my home with the same system and the denon is noticeably better than the yamaha in sound quality. I miss my denon but it died recently after 2 1/2 years of use. My Marantz is noticeably better than the denon in music and is about the same in movies. The rotel is just the best, compared to all that i have used, the sound will floor you. Marantz versus yamaha? lol hahahahaha. It's laughable to even consider comparing them in SQ. Yamahas are too bright, not enough oomph, and its midrange isnt that great. Marantz doesnt have the features that yamahas have but i dont care. All i care about is sound quality. And all those bells and whistles that yamaha carries are useless to me. Who will play their music in a opera hall DSP? seriously. video processing is weak as well. Yamahas sacrifice sound quality to pack in all those video processing features and bells and whistles that consumers want. Marantz doesnt have those bells and whistles and that is why it sounds much better, at least to my ears. Feel free to chastise me, however, I have had some extensive experience for many years with receivers.

Your description of the Yamaha is the way I would describe the Denon sound. Are you sure that you did not get them mixed in the comparison?
post #19 of 22
It depends on what you like to listen to. If you like jazz or classical go for a ONKYO as it has a rather flat audio amplification. If you like action movies (guns/swords) go for a Yamaha as they have a very aggressive amplification wave form. If you like both go Marantz.
post #20 of 22
Ok, here's what I don't understand. Why in the world are you fretting over which receiver to buy when you can't even listen to all the ones you are considering? Buy the one that you think will be good for you and maybe it will be, or maybe it won't. if you happen to pick up say, the Marantz, and you like what it's got, then keep it and be happy. You won't know any better anyway. It's like trying to buy what appears to be the best looking TV. You can pick out a TV in between the best and the worst, take it home and be happy with it. Point is that you're not going to be comparing anything once you get it home. Get it home. If you like it keep it. If it sucks, take it back and try another brand.
post #21 of 22
I just did an in house comparison of Marantz 7001, Yamaha RXV1700, and Onkyo SR805. I am not using the built in amps. I have 125w marantz monoblocks for that. I am using Paradigm Studio 20 fronts and CC590 center. THe below observations are strictly based on 2 channel music tests.

The Yamaha was the first to go. It seemed to sound sort of flat compared to the other 2. I'm now trying to decide between the marantz and Onkyo. THe marantz is definetly more detailed and gives a slightly larger sound, but the difference is small. Along with the detailed sound though, it seems to iritate the ears with some recordings. THis may jsut be the recordings though.

THe onkyo emphasizes the bass a little bit more, and has slightly less crisp highs. THe onkyo also has HDMI 1.3a if that matters, and some more options. One option I see that might be useful is that the EQ can adjust the subwoofer too which the Marantz does not.
post #22 of 22
Update: Replaced SR7001 with SR7002....no further problems to report
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