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post #10291 of 15580
Well FedEx decided that door bells are not suppose to be rung and that knocking so you could hear was not an option either as they left a note on my door saying they will deliver it Monday frown.gif My whole family was home at 8:30 am and no one heard him. I have the weekend without a sub which stinks. Hope Monday they actually leave it at the door. FedEx was no help on letting me pick it up either as they said no way to give it to me tonight even if I go pick it up.
post #10292 of 15580
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Originally Posted by herushan View Post

Well FedEx decided that door bells are not suppose to be rung and that knocking so you could hear was not an option either as they left a note on my door saying they will deliver it Monday frown.gif My whole family was home at 8:30 am and no one heard him. I have the weekend without a sub which stinks. Hope Monday they actually leave it at the door. FedEx was no help on letting me pick it up either as they said no way to give it to me tonight even if I go pick it up.

Sorry to hear that but they are famous for that and they just love to tell you that FedEx Ground is closed on the weekends.
post #10293 of 15580
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Sorry to hear that but they are famous for that and they just love to tell you that FedEx Ground is closed on the weekends.

Thanks, and I think I have to remember that so I order so the product does not come on a Friday from now on.
post #10294 of 15580
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Then I'll proceed if you will. If I remember you actually own and use or at leased used a MiniDSP to EQ dual subs. The reason I have to switch from the BFD to the MiniDSP are:

  • More attractive form factor
  • Less messy connection (no MIDI adapters) and programming process
  • EQing below 20 Hz
  • Adjusting gain to both subs independently
  • Adjusting delay to both subs independently

I think the MiniDSP fits the bill but as it's much more than a sub equalizer I wonder which plugin to use. It seems most use the Advanced 2way plugin but there is now an Advanced 2.1way plugin that seems to allow mixing or not the two sub outputs. Also I don't really need any crossover option I guess. The Advanced 4-way plugin may also be interesting. So, which one should I purchase? Does it even matter for sub EQing?

Secondly there's the revA vs revB confusion. One can buy either rev on the MiniDSP store, and they only differ by their input voltage (0.9 vs 2 V). But the FAQ seems to clearly indicate that revA/B can be adjusted with a jumper. So... why are there two different units on sale? Is that simply the default position of the jumper?
Congrats again, and I have to agree about WotW... it's astounding.

Sorry if I was confusing. While I've owned and used more EQ systems then I'd like to admit, I have not (yet) owned the MiniDSP as an EQ. I do own the UMIK-1 (the USB mic) from MiniDSP, and have heard the MiniDSP EQ in another system, but beyond that my knowledge of the EQ/rev's is strictly from the various forum posts on the item. The device fascinates me, and at its price, I've been tempted to get one to play with, perhaps from my two channel setup.

The configuration that I have been looking at, and looks like it would work well with your set up as well, is the MiniDSP-In-A-Box 2x4 Rev B (Rev A is intended for lower input voltages, and would likely be over-driven by an AVR/Preamp). As far as I understand, the difference is solely the default position as the end user can swap between Rev A/B, as you mentioned.
post #10295 of 15580
Thanks anyway! But I didn't wait for your reply and already ordered the MiniDSP Rev B, the Umik and the Advanced 2-way crossover. I didn't bother getting the 2.1 as the only thing it added for me was a very slight risk that it would prevent me from running the two subs independently.

I've not read much yet about precisely how to use the Umik with REW and I guess the answer is there somewhere, buy I wonder how to calibrate the sound adapter given that you basically use two different ones (the computer's for outputting test tones, and the Umik's for capture).
post #10296 of 15580
Excellent!!!!

I'm looking forward to your results.
post #10297 of 15580
need your help guys, deciding which one to get. which one is better SVS PB-1000 vs. klipsch rw 12d? and why. ty
post #10298 of 15580
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

Excellent!!!!

I'm looking forward to your results.

I also just pulled the trigger on the 818. The deal was too good to pass. Can't believe I really clicked on buy *again*.

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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

need your help guys, deciding which one to get. which one is better SVS PB-1000 vs. klipsch rw 12d? and why. ty

The RW12d will be very hard to beat in terms of bang for the buck if you can have it at or under $300. The PB-1000 will have better extension though but I'm not sure which one will have the greatest peak output.
post #10299 of 15580
Neutro, congrats!! Little shopping spree huh?

Looking forward to pics and reviews. Your gonna love the 818 and its xt32
post #10300 of 15580
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I also just pulled the trigger on the 818. The deal was too good to pass. Can't believe I really clicked on buy *again*.

Pretty cool man!

That is a killer combination you will have at your room and it was about time..........wink.gif
post #10301 of 15580
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I also just pulled the trigger on the 818. The deal was too good to pass. Can't believe I really clicked on buy *again*.
The RW12d will be very hard to beat in terms of bang for the buck if you can have it at or under $300. The PB-1000 will have better extension though but I'm not sure which one will have the greatest peak output.

will be awaiting your entrance to the official 818 owner's thread, welcome aboard smile.gif
post #10302 of 15580
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I also just pulled the trigger on the 818. The deal was too good to pass. Can't believe I really clicked on buy *again*.

neutro, I know you are in Canada... Would you share what kind of deal you found on the 818? cool.gif
post #10303 of 15580
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Neutro, congrats!! Little shopping spree huh?

Looking forward to pics and reviews. Your gonna love the 818 and its xt32

It will be the last spree for long... (Where did I heard this before?). I really don't know when I'll have the time to set up the 818 though so the review may be long to come. I think I'll try to combine that with hanging the TV on the wall.
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

will be awaiting your entrance to the official 818 owner's thread, welcome aboard smile.gif

I shall do so very soon and also monitor it for any issue and/or useful tips.
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Originally Posted by BarracudaDelGato View Post

neutro, I know you are in Canada... Would you share what kind of deal you found on the 818? cool.gif

I got it at electronicsforless.ca, currently their hidden price is as low a it ever got in Canada. Since I'm not in Ontario, I was charged 5% GST only, which I'd major for me since my province's PST is 10% on top of that. Now the guy behind EFL is, of course, Mason from Sonicboomaudio, and he was kind enough to apply the repeat customer rebate as well.
post #10304 of 15580
I just purchased a PB12+ and it sounds great, but I have read about a limiter light on some other SVS subs, does the newest PB12+ have one? I have had my sub for almost 2 weeks now and after breaking it in for a week I am now cranking it up. I have heard what I assume is port chuffing?? But have not seen any light on the back light up.
post #10305 of 15580
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

I just purchased a PB12+ and it sounds great, but I have read about a limiter light on some other SVS subs, does the newest PB12+ have one? I have had my sub for almost 2 weeks now and after breaking it in for a week I am now cranking it up. I have heard what I assume is port chuffing?? But have not seen any light on the back light up.

First, congrats on your PB12+!

Second, if this is a new unit then it should have the Sledge amp and therefore, there is "no" limiter light on it.

Could you please provide more information on what subwoofer tune are you using (sealed, 16Hz, 20Hz)?
post #10306 of 15580
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I got it at electronicsforless.ca, currently their hidden price is as low a it ever got in Canada. Since I'm not in Ontario, I was charged 5% GST only, which I'd major for me since my province's PST is 10% on top of that. Now the guy behind EFL is, of course, Mason from Sonicboomaudio, and he was kind enough to apply the repeat customer rebate as well.

Thanks neutro. I've been very happy dealing with SBA for my subs, but I had no idea Mason was behind electronicsforless.ca... good to know. I presume you got a better price than is currently posted ($998)? wink.gif
post #10307 of 15580
Thanks!
I had it set to 20Hz with no ports plugged. The volume on the sub I would play with, -7 to 0db, and I would have the avr volume anywhere from -25 to -2. I know that's a very wide range, but just trying to find what works best.
I watched Transformers with sub volume at -6 and avr at -10 and there were a few scenes where it sounded like port chuffing (I hope that's the right term).
During music I turned the sub up to 0 and the avr was at -5 and some of it sounded great but some frequencies not so much, more chuffing.
I just switched the tune to sealed and plugged all the ports, I haven't watched a movie yet, but music does sound better at the same volume. I do still hear what still sounds like chuffing but the ports are plugged so I'm not sure what's going on there. Guess I will just have to play with it more.
BTW my room is rather large, 25x20x8.5
post #10308 of 15580
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

I watched Transformers with sub volume at -6 and avr at -10 and there were a few scenes where it sounded like port chuffing (I hope that's the right term). During music I turned the sub up to 0 and the avr was at -5 and some of it sounded great but some frequencies not so much, more chuffing.

I just switched the tune to sealed and plugged all the ports, I haven't watched a movie yet, but music does sound better at the same volume. I do still hear what still sounds like chuffing but the ports are plugged so I'm not sure what's going on there. Guess I will just have to play with it more.

BTW my room is rather large, 25x20x8.5

The PB12 Plus is a beast of a sub, but it may be overmatched by a 4250 ft^3 room. What you might be hearing is an over-driven sub crying for mercy. That being said... there shouldn't be any port nosie when running sealed, so perhaps something else is contributing to the situation.
post #10309 of 15580
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

Thanks!
I had it set to 20Hz with no ports plugged. The volume on the sub I would play with, -7 to 0db, and I would have the avr volume anywhere from -25 to -2. I know that's a very wide range, but just trying to find what works best.
I watched Transformers with sub volume at -6 and avr at -10 and there were a few scenes where it sounded like port chuffing (I hope that's the right term).
During music I turned the sub up to 0 and the avr was at -5 and some of it sounded great but some frequencies not so much, more chuffing.
I just switched the tune to sealed and plugged all the ports, I haven't watched a movie yet, but music does sound better at the same volume. I do still hear what still sounds like chuffing but the ports are plugged so I'm not sure what's going on there. Guess I will just have to play with it more.
BTW my room is rather large, 25x20x8.5

If you have the three plugs connected, then it is impossible to hear chuffing. Chances are that the noise you hear, this probocado the speakers dying due to poor integration of crosses. How often are the cuts in your speakers? Audyssey hold?

The PB12-Plus DSP should meet perfectly in rooms with sizes of 3,000 ft ^ 3-5000 m ^ 3 as rated Audioholics room and have a margin still available.
post #10310 of 15580
As for the processing of the PB12-Plus DSP, is so good that it should not even realizing that they are acting.
DSP himself trod the brake at the right time but never abruptly, and you will realize that this act.

Regarding output capabilities, your room is very large, in any case you should run the subwoofer 20hz mode (The three open bass reflex). Area will have less compression and higher SPL output capability across the range of frequencies available.

If you are going to hear very strong, so (20hz) is ideal to get the most juice from your subwoofer.
post #10311 of 15580
If you have the three plugs connected, then it is impossible to hear chuffing. Chances are that the noise you hear, this probocado the speakers dying due to poor integration of crosses. How often are the cuts in your speakers? Audyssey hold?

The PB12-Plus DSP should meet perfectly in rooms with sizes of 3,000 ft ^ 3-5000 m ^ 3 as rated Audioholics room and have a margin still available.[/quote]


The sound is coming from the sub, maybe I'm just hearing distortion, I am pushing it pretty hard. I have the crossover at 100Hz running through an older Yamaha with no room correction built in. I did level match all the speakers with an spl meter using the test tones in the avr, but that was negated after messing with the volume and the tune switching.
post #10312 of 15580
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Originally Posted by BarracudaDelGato View Post

Thanks neutro. I've been very happy dealing with SBA for my subs, but I had no idea Mason was behind electronicsforless.ca... good to know. I presume you got a better price than is currently posted ($998)? wink.gif

If you add it to the cart, there is a further $100 off a this moment.
post #10313 of 15580
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

If you have the three plugs connected, then it is impossible to hear chuffing. Chances are that the noise you hear, this probocado the speakers dying due to poor integration of crosses. How often are the cuts in your speakers? Audyssey hold?

The PB12-Plus DSP should meet perfectly in rooms with sizes of 3,000 ft ^ 3-5000 m ^ 3 as rated Audioholics room and have a margin still available.

The sound is coming from the sub, maybe I'm just hearing distortion, I am pushing it pretty hard. I have the crossover at 100Hz running through an older Yamaha with no room correction built in. I did level match all the speakers with an spl meter using the test tones in the avr, but that was negated after messing with the volume and the tune switching.

Do not think it can be distortion. I put my PB12 + DSP butt occasionally to see how it behaves and does not distort either the most difficult passages.

DSP is built simply to extract every last drop of performance without audible distortion or artifacts. The DSP acts so that no mechanical noise passes and squeeze the full potential without being damaged.

Maybe the source is the annoying sound that results, a bad cable or a bad recording.

Check with Ed Mullen, you may have the misfortune of having a damaged unit.
post #10314 of 15580
User Mantaray, if I remember correctly, managed to overdrive his PB12-Plus watching Underworld: Awakening in a huge room above reference level rolleyes.gif so I say it is indeed possible to hear distortion from the Pluses. It would be significantly harder I think in our puny little rooms biggrin.gif

EDIT: but I fully support the idea of contacting SVS in that regard.
EDIT: also, does the sound / distortion can be captured on video?
post #10315 of 15580
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

I just purchased a PB12+ and it sounds great, but I have read about a limiter light on some other SVS subs, does the newest PB12+ have one? I have had my sub for almost 2 weeks now and after breaking it in for a week I am now cranking it up. I have heard what I assume is port chuffing?? But have not seen any light on the back light up.

Congrats on the new purchase! I agree that the main problem is that the PB12+ is just running on fumes on that big of a room. I probably would've gone with 2 PB13-Ultra's in that big of a room.

Check with Ed at SVS Customer Service. He can give you the best advice.
post #10316 of 15580
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

User Mantaray, if I remember correctly, managed to overdrive his PB12-Plus watching Underworld: Awakening in a huge room above reference level rolleyes.gif so I say it is indeed possible to hear distortion from the Pluses. It would be significantly harder I think in our puny little rooms biggrin.gif

EDIT: but I fully support the idea of contacting SVS in that regard.
EDIT: also, does the sound / distortion can be captured on video?

Hello friend.

In theory the DSP is designed for the unit to operate even in the limit, do not leave audible artifacts (If I'm wrong correct me Ed Mullen could). So it seems strange that more sound out of the subwoofer. I put the limit Sobana PB12 + and really clean and artifacts ... Possibly it is a damaged unit that of our partner. rolleyes.gif

As for the recording, in the case of rips, it is possible to alter the sound quality. I have a movie ripped from the War of the Worlds and the LFE channel sounds bad (distorted) and I have also the same movie on Blu-ray and the LFE channel sounds perfect at any listening level.

Anyway it's best to consult Ed Mullen.

LOL, I still remember when I put my PB12 + levels of madness, my house was a rattle (I live in an apartment), the neighbors must be sick of me. biggrin.gif
post #10317 of 15580
Do you think it could be my receiver? It is pretty old and been used pretty hard over the years, also its been moved around quite a bit. I definitely got my moneys worth out of it. Its a Yamaha HTR 5850. I am using one of SVS cords I got with the sub. Been thinking about upgrading my receiver pretty soon anyways.

I could try and record the sound but not sure if it will be audible on what I use to record it with. You can only hear it when its being pushed, which leads me to believe its just not big enough for the room.
post #10318 of 15580
It may well be that your AVR this resulting in unwanted artifacts.
Does the possibility of a friend or someone close to you to help you try another AVR?

I also know a case of a poorly manufactured cable SVS and to a horrible noise in subwoofer.

They can be many variables so this causing its failure. Should be tried in various ways and which is the fault rule.

PS: I'm going to bed to sleep, here in Spain it's already 0:07 am and am playing a working day.

a hug
post #10319 of 15580
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

Do you think it could be my receiver?

No. Based upon what you're describing I don't see how it could be related to the receiver.

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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

I could try and record the sound but not sure if it will be audible on what I use to record it with. You can only hear it when its being pushed, which leads me to believe its just not big enough for the room.

That was my guess as well; perhaps the room is just too large for the sub. SVS is pretty good with their DSP programming though, which means when the sub reaches its limit it should do so gracefully. Making untoward sounds is not customary for an SVS product.
post #10320 of 15580
It does sound like the Plus is being pushed to at/near its limits. In the vented mode, even triple 3" ports (which is a lot of port area) have laminar flow limits and when they are exceeded some chuffing may occur. Setting a limiter/compressor walks a fine line between zero overdrive artifacts and leaving too much output on the table. A Plus which is being heavily overdriven won't bottom the woofer or hard-clip the amp, but with that said it won't be as pristine as lower levels when it's operating completely within its linear/uncompressed range.

The OP conceded a 'wide range' of master volume and subwoofer volume combinations, and it's pretty easy to run the subwoofer channel very hot when experimenting. Even in a room that size, a single Plus should handle it nicely provided it is level-matched with the speaker channels during set-up. But start running the sub channel 6-10 dB hotter than the calibration baseline and you're asking it to do the work of duals even triple subs, and at that point even a Plus will start to complain a bit. smile.gif

Another thing to consider is the encoding level on DVDs varies greatly, and some play much louder than others at the same master volume setting. So the concept of playing the system at 'reference level' as a strict function of the master volume setting is not terribly valid. Set the master volume for each DVD to your preferred playback level and don't worry about the actual master volume setting.
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