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post #10981 of 15609
You can purchase new for 650; I would go that route, unless there is still a good warranty on the used unit. SVS has a great warranty and customer service.
post #10982 of 15609
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

You can purchase new for 650; I would go that route, unless there is still a good warranty on the used unit. SVS has a great warranty and customer service.
Suppose to be how many years included if you purchased it as brand new?
post #10983 of 15609
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Is svs sb 12 nsd used worth for 550? How much the range for used on that sub model?
that is not near enough information to determine a good price for used equipment. they are $650 brand new ... so i'd say it'd need to be darn near perfect for that price.
post #10984 of 15609
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Suppose to be how many years included if you purchased it as brand new?
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

that is not near enough information to determine a good price for used equipment. they are $650 brand new ... so i'd say it'd need to be darn near perfect for that price.

The price for both finishes is now 649 new (it was 679 recently for the glossy black finish isn't it?). On top of that, there is currently a gloss black SB12 in the outlet section for 599, shipped, with full warranty. This may be an better deal, or a good way to argue for a lower price on a used unit.

If you buy used, you should ask for the serial number and communicate with SVS to see how much warranty is left on the unit.
post #10985 of 15609
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post


The price for both finishes is now 649 new (it was 679 recently for the glossy black finish isn't it?). On top of that, there is currently a gloss black SB12 in the outlet section for 599, shipped, with full warranty. This may be an better deal, or a good way to argue for a lower price on a used unit.

If you buy used, you should ask for the serial number and communicate with SVS to see how much warranty is left on the unit.
He lower the price for $500.
post #10986 of 15609
Sorry, still say to go new. You get the 5 year warranty with the new unit and it isn't much of a step up in price. If the seller were to lower to around $350, then you might have a good deal - depending on how old the unit is.
post #10987 of 15609
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Sorry, still say to go new. You get the 5 year warranty with the new unit and it isn't much of a step up in price. If the seller were to lower to around $350, then you might have a good deal - depending on how old the unit is.
I know. He said he purrchased it from onecall last dec. So there is still 4 and a half years on warranty. Im not sure if onecall is authirized seller?
post #10988 of 15609
I'm pretty sure One Call is an authorized dealer. I still think $500 is a lot for a used unit.
post #10989 of 15609
For the record, I sold my 1-yo SB12 for 500 too. But it was a gloss black unit, when a new one cost 699 in Canada. The new buyer would have paid 699 + shipping + taxes, thus very close to 800, for a new unit. The sub was in perfect condition I think. So it depends on other opportunities. One thing to consider is that SVS subs tend to keep their value considering their quality and the lack of fast upgrade cycle in their lineup.
post #10990 of 15609
You bring up a very good point. I personally don't like to purchase used, but SVS's line cycle and customer service do indeed bring value to used units.
post #10991 of 15609
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

...They (SVS) also make good design decisions with most of their subs that make sense for the product niche IMO. Some units I have encountered made me scratch my head and wonder whether anyone verified the final design or knew what they were doing in the first place.

I have to admit, my curiosity is piqued. What designs from SVS does he find questionable...?
post #10992 of 15609
^^^^^^^ Vader, I read Josh's statement here to mean units from OTHER sub companies, NOT SVS.............
post #10993 of 15609
Me too; I don't see that as being directed at SVS.
post #10994 of 15609
^^^^this...ricci is simply stating from other mfg.
post #10995 of 15609
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

^^^^^^^ Vader, I read Josh's statement here to mean units from OTHER sub companies, NOT SVS.............

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Me too; I don't see that as being directed at SVS.

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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

^^^^this...ricci is simply stating from other mfg.

Gotcha... I figured as much, but I kept reading the quote and that got my curiosity up. Thanks!
post #10996 of 15609
On my receiver, there is a setting called SW Gain Output. The two options are 0dB or +10dB. It looks like if you set it to +10dB, the subwoofer volume will increase by 10dB.

Should I set it to +10dB or leave it at 0dB? Would setting to +10dB damage the subwoofer because that is such a high volume increase?

At 0dB is the default setting on the receiver.

Thanks for any advice!!
post #10997 of 15609
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On my receiver, there is a setting called SW Gain Output. The two options are 0dB or +10dB. ... Should I set it to +10dB or leave it at 0dB? ... 0dB is the default setting on the receiver.
Since the default is 0dB, and unless you have a good reason to set it to +10dB, leave it at 0dB.

But if you want to experiment with setting it to +10dB, set it to +10dB. You can always set it back to 0dB if you choose to.

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The receiver (a Pioneer SC-07) does not have a setting called "SW Gain Output". It does have a setting called "SW Input Gain", about which you asked a question back in January.

According to the reply:
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As described on page 94 of the manual, [SW Input Gain] is only useful when using the multi-channel analog inputs ... If you're connected digitally, this setting has no effect for you.

Edited by eljaycanuck - 7/17/13 at 10:03am
post #10998 of 15609
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Since the default is 0dB, and unless you have a good reason to set it to +10dB, leave it at 0dB.

But if you want to experiment with setting it to +10dB, set it to +10dB. You can always set it back to 0dB if you choose to.

-- Edit --
The receiver (a Pioneer SC-07) does not have a setting called "SW Gain Output". It does have a setting called "SW Input Gain", about which you asked a question back in January.

According to the reply:



Thanks!!
post #10999 of 15609
I'm most likely getting an SVS sub soon. I've been following SVS threads for a few years and people seem to love them. Apart from that the customer service seems great, the aesthetic design and finishes agree with me and I love that they have metal grills (might sound silly but this is a major pro for me, as I have a young child who touches things). For these reasons I'm almost 100% certain I'm getting an SVS but I'm still looking for a few opinions on models...

My room is 19' x 23', vaulted celings 12' at the peak, wood floors, 4 windows, large French doors with sidelights and the rear wall is open to the kitchen.

Up front I've got Aperion Verus Grand Bookshelfs, Verus Grand Center. I will be getting 2 pairs of Verus Forte satellites soon for surrounds. Their SVS site wizard recommends the PB12-PLUS, PC12-PLUS and SB13-ULTRA. I'm not interested in the cylinder so disregard that one. Also, 2 subs is not an option for me.

Every sub I've ever owned (home or car) has been ported so I pretty much leaned that way to begin with and was just going to get the PB12-PLUS. However it's rather large and while I like the look of it I wish it was smaller. So, the SB13-ULTRA has a much more preferable size but is sealed so I'm worried it may not sound like what I'm used to or looking for.

My use is probably about 75% movies, 15% games, 10% music.. I listen to a lot of different music but a lot of it is bass heavy metal and rap. Once I get my room finished and all my speakers installed my music will probably increase but movies will still be the major use here. It's my understanding that the sealed subs are more musical, so I may not want to get the more musical sub if it's more for movies and games, right?

Also is the cost. My original budget was $1K and I was going to just get the Aperion Bravus 12D sub which is under $1K but decided against it for various reasons. The PB12-PLUS is already $500 more than I was planning on spending. So that makes the SB13-ULTRA $700 more! I'm not crazy about increasing my sub budget that much but I'll do it if the sub is really that awesome.

Is the SB13-ULTRA really viable based on what I've explained? Will the sealed sound fit my uses compared to the PB12-PLUS?
post #11000 of 15609
esswun, you would probably get the best answer by contacting SVS and giving them the information you provided above regarding your room size. They should have posted on their website the db rating per frequency and where it rolls off so you can compare the two - if it isn't on their site, you should be able to find it somewhere on the web. The SVS Team is very helpful and should be able to suggest the correct sub for your room and setup. I have the PB12-NSD in my 19x17x15 room and it provides me with plenty of clean bass. You definitely won't regret purchasing and SVS sub.
post #11001 of 15609
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

I love that they have metal grills (might sound silly but this is a major pro for me, as I have a young child who touches things).

You're not alone. Those grilles are awesome.
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My room is 19' x 23', vaulted celings 12' at the peak, wood floors, 4 windows, large French doors with sidelights and the rear wall is open to the kitchen.

Assuming an average ceiling height of 10', your room is 4370 cu ft, and open to another area to boot. This is a huge volume to fill. IMHO, you'll need as much output as you can.
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I'm not interested in the cylinder so disregard that one. Also, 2 subs is not an option for me.

Are two subs simply too expensive for your budget, or is it because you don't have the room? I'm saying this because you would probably benefit a lot from dual subs in such a room. Also, if size is a concern, cylinders have a very small footprint and may be easier to locate than a mini-fridge sized sub. Plus, the cylinders are less expensive, so it might help with your budget issue.
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So, the SB13-ULTRA has a much more preferable size but is sealed so I'm worried it may not sound like what I'm used to or looking for.

If your main application is home theater, I'd say go ported, you'll have more output at very low frequencies than with the SB13. However, above 40 Hz, the SB13 would have more output than a Plus, and be smaller than any of the ported subs.
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It's my understanding that the sealed subs are more musical, so I may not want to get the more musical sub if it's more for movies and games, right?

The difference in sound quality is not worth considering in my opinion. With a Plus anyway, you'd have the choice to seal it if you want. But to get strong 20 Hz output, go with a ported sub.
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Also is the cost. My original budget was $1K and I was going to just get the Aperion Bravus 12D sub which is under $1K but decided against it for various reasons. The PB12-PLUS is already $500 more than I was planning on spending. So that makes the SB13-ULTRA $700 more! I'm not crazy about increasing my sub budget that much but I'll do it if the sub is really that awesome.

As said above, I think you'll need all the output you can muster. If you really don't want two subs, and you're considering the $1600 price point, you ought to consider the PC Ultra at $1700. But a good solution would be to get a Plus, and see if it's enough for you. You can always upgrade within the year with full credit, or get a second one later (with a 5% repeat customer discount) when you have the budget. This is what I would do personally.

Also, I must point out that SVS subs are *great*, the customer service is *stellar*, the warranty and preps (upgrade policy, lemon policy, etc.) almost unheard of, the finishes look fantastic and the grille itself is worth a lot on a PB Plus or Ultra. However, per dollar, you could probably have more output if you consider SVS's competition.
post #11002 of 15609
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

esswun, you would probably get the best answer by contacting SVS and giving them the information you provided above regarding your room size. They should have posted on their website the db rating per frequency and where it rolls off so you can compare the two - if it isn't on their site, you should be able to find it somewhere on the web. The SVS Team is very helpful and should be able to suggest the correct sub for your room and setup. I have the PB12-NSD in my 19x17x15 room and it provides me with plenty of clean bass. You definitely won't regret purchasing and SVS sub.

hi guys, first post here

tom, when you`re watching movies like cloverfield, FOTP, WOTW etc... you can feel the hit in the chest with the PB12-NSD in your listen position? your room is sealed or open to another areas?
post #11003 of 15609
Tom: Yeah I think I'll give SVS an email with the same info just to see what they say.

Neutro: Thanks for the detailed response. To address your points...

1. I just think the cylindrical subs look out of place in a room and my wife said they were stupid. Even if someone convinces me of it being the best, I don't think she'd go for it. It does have the best footprint though and that is something to ponder.

2. 2 subs is not an option mainly because my wiring setup won't allow it. My AVR is going to be on the fireplace mantle and I ran coaxial through the walls over to an area on the floor to the right of fireplace. Due to heat registers and the way our furniture is going to be this was the only place to put just 1 sub. Drywall was patched up today so I couldn't go back to run more if I wanted. I was also worried that if I ran wire for 2 then I would be locked down to those 2 areas and they might not have been the best trying to configure and place them both for the best sound; it seemed like a hassle. I'm not sure my receiver can even run 2 subs (Pioneer SC-05). MAYBE in the future I could have 2 subs and do wireless or something but really not going to do it now. Cost is a factor too, I guess. With just one sub costing anywhere from $900-$1600, I'd rather just get the best single one I can for now and hopefully not even pay all the way up to $1600.

Based on what you've said I'm still feeling the PB12-PLUS despite the size, because ported. Hoping for s few more people's opinions to help make up my mind.

Thanks again all.
post #11004 of 15609
It is open to the kitchen and dining room; the room measurement above is just the living room. It definitely hits hard and clean when required and is very musical too. I do plan to add a second PB12 at some point, but for now I'm very pleased with just one.
post #11005 of 15609
^^^ I can't help. I have a cylinder. lol
post #11006 of 15609
I think you will be quite happy with the PB12 Plus. Give it a try and if it's not enough, upgrade!
post #11007 of 15609
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Originally Posted by banyar View Post

tom, when you`re watching movies like cloverfield, FOTP, WOTW etc... you can feel the hit in the chest with the PB12-NSD in your listen position? your room is sealed or open to another areas?

Hi Banyar and welcome. Just a warning about chest thump. This is frequently discussed in this thread. But a quick recap: keep your expectations in check. First, depending on the crossover frequency used, your sub may be only partially involved in chest thump. If it has impact, higher frequencies are involved. Second, to feel chest thump, you must listen *loud*. And third, in bars, shows, etc., be aware that the EQ is severely tweaked to give that specific effect. Even if you have the capability for such an EQing in your setup, you may not like watching a whole movie where steps and doors closing give chest thumps.
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

1. I just think the cylindrical subs look out of place in a room and my wife said they were stupid.

Ouch. That settles it them biggrin.gif

Just a data point though: my GF thought basically the same but I think she's as happy as she could be now with dual PC Pluses: for their size, they're remarkably unremarkable in about any decor and few people know they're even subs.
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2. 2 subs is not an option mainly because my wiring setup won't allow it.

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I'm not sure my receiver can even run 2 subs (Pioneer SC-05).

To run dual subs, you only have to use a spliter. No need to have a second sub output (most of the time they're just internal spliters anyway. As you say, there's no need to buy them both upfront, it's really easy to add a second one later as budget allows.
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Based on what you've said I'm still feeling the PB12-PLUS despite the size, because ported. Hoping for s few more people's opinions to help make up my mind.

The Plus is indeed an incredible sub, and I do think that in your case, it's a better choice than the SB13.
post #11008 of 15609
I'm going to go ahead and try the PB12-PLUS even though it's huge. I want to order it right now but I won't be hooking anything up until that room is painted which might be a couple weeks away yet. So when I see an end to that I'm going to get my surround speakers and the sub. Just found out SVS has sales tax in MI. Ugh!

I see SVS sells a nice looking sub cable. I just have an old Acoustic Research cable that I've been using on my 8" Polk sub since 1999. It's fine but it's super long. Now with coaxial in the wall for my sub I just need 2 short sub cables to connect from sub to wall and then wall to receiver. Are the 2 meter Sound Path cables worth $30? I'll still need a Y-cable to the back of the sub right? I don't see them selling one and if I get a nice looking cable I'd like a nice looking one of those too. Suggestions are welcome.

Now my only real dilemma is to decide between gloss black or black oak. My speakers are gloss black but will be up on walls and out of the way. With the sub on the floor the chance of dust and fingerprints is greater which would be more apparent on the gloss. My current sub is black oak and I like that better but I'm not sure if I want my sub to have a different finish than my speakers even though they are away from it.

To those with gloss, how it is overall?
Is it a lacquer or some type of gloss veneer?
Are dust and fingerprints bad?
Do micro scratches show under direct light?
Can sunlight fade or dull the finish over time?
Anyone had problems with chipping/peeling or anything like that?
post #11009 of 15609
Great choice, you will love it. Don't worry about the size - it will look like a monster when you first put it in your room, but will quickly look normal. You don't have to put a Y-Adapter on the back, but you can if you like - there are many different opinions on which is better. I have one on mine that allows me to have the gain on the sub lower than if I did not - other than this, it sounds the same as without. I remember paying around $30 for rmy sub cable; it never hurts to have a good cable, even though sometimes it may just be a placebo.
post #11010 of 15609
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

I see SVS sells a nice looking sub cable. I just have an old Acoustic Research cable that I've been using on my 8" Polk sub since 1999. It's fine but it's super long. Now with coaxial in the wall for my sub I just need 2 short sub cables to connect from sub to wall and then wall to receiver. Are the 2 meter Sound Path cables worth $30? I'll still need a Y-cable to the back of the sub right? I don't see them selling one and if I get a nice looking cable I'd like a nice looking one of those too. Suggestions are welcome.

You have absolutely no need to use a Y splitter or a Y cable. Simply use one of the L/R inputs. They are internally summed anyway.

There is little benefit in using a high-end cable for subs. The only thing you should be sure of is to use a shielded coax cable so as to not pick up EMI along the way and get them amplified by the 800W Sledge amp. However, high-end or not, I've seen a surprising number of bad / defective cables in my short journey into serious subwoofage. A nice-looking coax cable induced a loud hum while a cheap-looking, short, unshielded RCA cable provided great results. So if anything seems wrong, try another cable. I for one use a 30-ft cable for one sub (I was planning on using it in the back of the room but decided against that option) and a 5-ft cable on the other, and they're both performing great.
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Now my only real dilemma is to decide between gloss black or black oak.

Now this is a real problem biggrin.gif
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To those with gloss, how it is overall?
Is it a lacquer or some type of gloss veneer?
Are dust and fingerprints bad?
Do micro scratches show under direct light?
Can sunlight fade or dull the finish over time?
Anyone had problems with chipping/peeling or anything like that?

I've had the black gloss finish on an SB12. It's absolutely stunning. It's a gloss veneer. It can show fingerprints but once you leave it alone and wipe it, it should be fine. Dust was not much of a problem. While upon close inspection I did have some micro-scratches, I was not able to properly take a picture of them. They require a strong light to see them and a good angle, and then the reflections washes out the scratches. In fact, if the sub is close to your display, the biggest problem may be reflections on the finish. My brain would pick the ash finish just because of that, but my heart would ache. No fading after 2 years, no chipping nor peeling either.
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