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post #11011 of 15598
Hey guys, I have a Klipsch reference system with RF-62 II and RC-62 II center in 5 meter by 8 meter room. Would a PB-1000 be able to keep up with the Reference series which is pretty high end?
Would it be enough for the room? Or should I be looking at the PB12-NSD?
post #11012 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

Hey guys, I have a Klipsch reference system with RF-62 II and RC-62 II center in 5 meter by 8 meter room. Would a PB-1000 be able to keep up with the Reference series which is pretty high end?
Would it be enough for the room? Or should I be looking at the PB12-NSD?

High end meaning loudness or high end meaning quality of sound?

Either way, it should be fine.
post #11013 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

Hey guys, I have a Klipsch reference system with RF-62 II and RC-62 II center in 5 meter by 8 meter room. Would a PB-1000 be able to keep up with the Reference series which is pretty high end?
Would it be enough for the room? Or should I be looking at the PB12-NSD?

Did you try the SVSMerlin sub selector tool? That will give you a rough idea. What size drivers are in them?
post #11014 of 15598
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Originally Posted by xFreshEntrailsX View Post

Did you try the SVSMerlin sub selector tool? That will give you a rough idea. What size drivers are in them?

The pb-12nsd was the cheapest sub it recommended. And i feel that would be overkill for the room and dont want pay more than necesary: pb-1000 is 499 euro and the pb 12 is 799 euros.
The klipsch towers has dual 6.5 woofers and same for the center.
post #11015 of 15598
Both the PB-1000 and the PB12-NSD will extend nicely the range of your Klipsch speakers while providing excellent sound quality. The decision between the two should be based more on your room size, listening habits (very loud or moderate volume?) and of course budget.
post #11016 of 15598
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Both the PB-1000 and the PB12-NSD will extend nicely the range of your Klipsch speakers while providing excellent sound quality. The decision between the two should be based more on your room size, listening habits (very loud or moderate volume?) and of course budget.

499 vs 799 euro...is the difference that big?
post #11017 of 15598
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Originally Posted by xFreshEntrailsX View Post

Did you try the SVSMerlin sub selector tool? That will give you a rough idea. What size drivers are in them?

I tried the Merlin thingy.

It recommended a PC12-Plus for my speakers.

So I got a PC13-Ultra.
post #11018 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

499 vs 799 euro...is the difference that big?

About $400 USD.

And thanks a lot Neutro and Tom for your responses. I'm just gonna get short cables from BJC; they're not as pretty but it really doesn't matter. And thanks for the tip on the Y-cable. Had mine hooked up that way since 1999 and didn't know I didn't have to have it. Now I just hope all my wires and cables in the wall are good and I don't get any interference!

If I'm lucky the room will be painted next week and I can order my stuff and start hooking it up.

Are there any little rubber feet or anything on the sub or should I get like a foam mat to place it on? I got one at Sam's for the kitchen and it seems like the perfect size for the PB12-PLUS.
post #11019 of 15598
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

About $400 USD.

And thanks a lot Neutro and Tom for your responses. I'm just gonna get short cables from BJC; they're not as pretty but it really doesn't matter. And thanks for the tip on the Y-cable. Had mine hooked up that way since 1999 and didn't know I didn't have to have it. Now I just hope all my wires and cables in the wall are good and I don't get any interference!

If I'm lucky the room will be painted next week and I can order my stuff and start hooking it up.

Are there any little rubber feet or anything on the sub or should I get like a foam mat to place it on? I got one at Sam's for the kitchen and it seems like the perfect size for the PB12-PLUS.

I meant that its a big difference in price...is the pb-12 that much better?
post #11020 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

499 vs 799 euro...is the difference that big?

In Europe I guess the size and weight of the PB12-NSD means a dramatic increase in transit fees. I'm not very familiar with the output difference between the two, but I remember seeing that two PB-1000s will have more output than a single PB12-NSD. So the difference is less than 6 dB for sure across the band. I think Ed Mullen answered this a few months ago and he said the difference is even less noticeable for mid-bass since the driver is lighter and thus easier to move.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I tried the Merlin thingy.
It recommended a PC12-Plus for my speakers.
So I got a PC13-Ultra.

Lol. Yet Merlin is just a match for the playback level I guess. But it ignores room size, which is of course tremendously important.
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

And thanks for the tip on the Y-cable. Had mine hooked up that way since 1999 and didn't know I didn't have to have it.

Well it doesn't hurt to have it. In fact if the sub gain is high and the receiver's sub pre out signal is accordingly low, sometimes this can cause the Auto On feature to fail noticing the signal on the input. Using the Y splitter adds 3 dB to the input signal and may help in that regard.
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Now I just hope all my wires and cables in the wall are good and I don't get any interference!

Chances are they are good if they are coax cable smile.gif And I guess bad connectors are the most prevalent defect in cables, so it's easy to fix if there is a problem.
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Are there any little rubber feet or anything on the sub or should I get like a foam mat to place it on? I got one at Sam's for the kitchen and it seems like the perfect size for the PB12-PLUS.

I guess there are rubber feet -- there is on the PC12-Plus at least. However you might want to consider a regular carpet (one that slides easily on the floor) to move the sub around. A rubber foam mat can be a good idea if the sub is close to an air vent for example. I used rubber mats successfully in the past to damp vibrations transmitted via the floor. But most of the rattling you'll hear in your room will likely be due to the sound waves themselves.
post #11021 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

Hey guys, I have a Klipsch reference system with RF-62 II and RC-62 II center in 5 meter by 8 meter room. Would a PB-1000 be able to keep up with the Reference series which is pretty high end?
Would it be enough for the room? Or should I be looking at the PB12-NSD?

I have the same Klipsch speakers as you paired with the PB12-NSD and it sounds great. You have a pretty large room, so that is something to consider. The PB-1000 will keep up with your speakers, but it may be small for your room.
post #11022 of 15598
Hey guys, I just received my pb 12nsd after returning my pb-1000. I have been playing some "soft" music and movies to break it in but then turned it up to more of the level I like to rock out at 5-7db and the limiter light keeps coming on. A few questions.... am I hurting the sub when the light comes on especially with it being so new? Does the limiter mean that is as loud as the pb 12nsd goes? Should I upgrade yet again? I really thought 770$ would buy me enough sub... My room is about 10X10 and I usually seat in my bed (pic) with the tv/speakers about 5ft away and the sub where located. I am moving to a bigger room where I can corner the sub in a few weeks but im worried its not the position and more so just the sub not being enough... whats everyones input? -Thanks kevin
post #11023 of 15598
Your room dimension could be the culprit. I have seen a room similar to your size but the bass in there is soft even with a PB12-NSD. Then, another sub is added but the difference is minimal. Since there is not placement to try out, the system was being moved to a bigger room. The difference is day and night. There is so much bass and tactile feeling in the bigger room with just one single sub.

The limited is protecting the sub from going any louder that could damage it.
post #11024 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

Hey guys, I have a Klipsch reference system with RF-62 II and RC-62 II center in 5 meter by 8 meter room. Would a PB-1000 be able to keep up with the Reference series which is pretty high end?
Would it be enough for the room? Or should I be looking at the PB12-NSD?
It should not have problem keeping up with the Klipsch Reference series.

I prefer bass quality than output. I have listened to PB12-NSD and PB-1000. The PB12-NSD bass has more body and heft in it. Even with dual PB-1000, you will only get better output and smoother bass response but the dual PB-1000 will not have bass quality than a PB12-NSD.
post #11025 of 15598
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

Hey guys, I just received my pb 12nsd after returning my pb-1000. I have been playing some "soft" music and movies to break it in but then turned it up to more of the level I like to rock out at 5-7db and the limiter light keeps coming on. A few questions.... am I hurting the sub when the light comes on especially with it being so new? Does the limiter mean that is as loud as the pb 12nsd goes? Should I upgrade yet again? I really thought 770$ would buy me enough sub... My room is about 10X10 and I usually seat in my bed (pic) with the tv/speakers about 5ft away and the sub where located. I am moving to a bigger room where I can corner the sub in a few weeks but im worried its not the position and more so just the sub not being enough... whats everyones input? -Thanks kevin

What are you using for equipment and speakers? I would blow my walls out at those levels.
post #11026 of 15598
"Are there any little rubber feet or anything on the sub or should I get like a foam mat to place it on? I got one at Sam's for the kitchen and it seems like the perfect size for the PB12-PLUS."

I bought a great gramma for my PB 12+. It works great! It fits perfectly for the width but the gramma is a little bit longer than the sub so that may cause an issue for you depending on placement. Well worth the 85$.
post #11027 of 15598
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Originally Posted by sharp10 View Post

What are you using for equipment and speakers? I would blow my walls out at those levels.
Haha it's definitely loud but far from unbearable. I use definitive technology mythos as seen in my "gear" in my signature and marantz 60007 no amp for now
post #11028 of 15598
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

(...) but then turned it up to more of the level I like to rock out at 5-7db and the limiter light keeps coming on. A few questions.... am I hurting the sub when the light comes on especially with it being so new? Does the limiter mean that is as loud as the pb 12nsd goes?

Are you listening at Ref -5 dB, or Ref +5 dB ?? Ref +5dB is extremely loud unless your music source is significantly quieter than the calibration tones.

In anyway, if the limiter LED is briefly flashing, this is not much of an issue. Depending on the EQ used, it would be hard not to make the limiter flash a bit at those levels. However, if the limiter LED is on continuously for, say, more that 1 whole second, then it would indicate that the sub is at its limits. You won't damage it, but it just won't go any louder -- at least in the frequency band where the limits are hit. It could get louder in other frequency bands.

In movies, typically, the limiter LED flashes when there are very low frequency effects, because output is more limited at those frequencies. In music though, typically frequencies below 40 Hz are not frequent. Of course some music styles have way more low bass than others (e.g. dubstep, drum'n'bass, etc.).

Also, as others alluded to, you may be listening to the sub in a null, i.e. you get very little of the output produced by the sub. If you move around the room, can you find spots where bass is much louder? Upgrading your sub will do next to nothing if it's to be used in the same configuration in that case.
post #11029 of 15598
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Are you listening at Ref -5 dB, or Ref +5 dB ?? Ref +5dB is extremely loud unless your music source is significantly quieter than the calibration tones.

In anyway, if the limiter LED is briefly flashing, this is not much of an issue. Depending on the EQ used, it would be hard not to make the limiter flash a bit at those levels. However, if the limiter LED is on continuously for, say, more that 1 whole second, then it would indicate that the sub is at its limits. You won't damage it, but it just won't go any louder -- at least in the frequency band where the limits are hit. It could get louder in other frequency bands.

In movies, typically, the limiter LED flashes when there are very low frequency effects, because output is more limited at those frequencies. In music though, typically frequencies below 40 Hz are not frequent. Of course some music styles have way more low bass than others (e.g. dubstep, drum'n'bass, etc.).

Also, as others alluded to, you may be listening to the sub in a null, i.e. you get very little of the output produced by the sub. If you move around the room, can you find spots where bass is much louder? Upgrading your sub will do next to nothing if it's to be used in the same configuration in that case.

Thanks for all the advice neutron. My source is ripped blu rays in mkv file types as well as the basic free spotify music. Both coming from an HTPC that has output fully turned up through HDMI to the Marantz. I am listening above reference level +5db with the Marantz 6007 powering only three speakers at the moment. The speakers are not even at there maximum or overly close to their maximum voltage. The limiter tends to flicker during music playing and during movies when there is deep base like a grenade or car crash it may stay on until the LFE diminishes. So the consensus seems to be that its placement? Even though its such a tiny room? I have also re-ran audyssey so its not that and the Pb 12nsd is turned to 75% with everything else off.

By the way the sub is obviously sandwiched between the bed and the small table right there but there is almost 2ft of space behind it if that matters.
post #11030 of 15598
Folks, I have a MINT PB 12 - PLUS 2 for sale. Please PM me, if interested.
post #11031 of 15598
When you buy a NEW subwoofer from SVS, does the box come ONLY taped in the center? I did NOT buy this SVS subwoofer used.

The surrounding sealed tape was cut open and ONLY the center Tape was re-taped. It just look like I bought a USED and not a new subwoofer. It is the same way with the Inner Box as well as the Outer Box. The 2 boxes was NOT seal with the surrounding tape. They just taped the Center of the box to keep Both flaps closed.

Does your subwoofer come this way when buying brand new:

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post #11032 of 15598
My PC13-Ultra was taped all around the box and stapled on the backside of the box.
post #11033 of 15598
Well in Canada, it's obvious that SonicBoomAudio opens the box to slip the invoice inside... I can't really comment further other than to say this doesn't necessarily indicate a refurb / used sub. Perhaps you should contact SVS directly.

... Maybe the package got inspected by a third party?
post #11034 of 15598
it's also possible that SVS opened and resealed for some other reason (forgot the record serial, forgot manuals, etc.)
post #11035 of 15598
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

When you buy a NEW subwoofer from SVS, does the box come ONLY taped in the center? I did NOT buy this SVS subwoofer used.

The surrounding sealed tape was cut open and ONLY the center Tape was re-taped. It just look like I bought a USED
My sub arrived the same way from SVS, I live in the same state of Ohio too. When I get a chance I'll update this post with a couple pictures.
post #11036 of 15598
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

When you buy a NEW subwoofer from SVS, does the box come ONLY taped in the center? I did NOT buy this SVS subwoofer used.

The surrounding sealed tape was cut open and ONLY the center Tape was re-taped. It just look like I bought a USED and not a new subwoofer. It is the same way with the Inner Box as well as the Outer Box. The 2 boxes was NOT seal with the surrounding tape. They just taped the Center of the box to keep Both flaps closed.

Does your subwoofer come this way when buying brand new:

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this prooves nothing as far as if it's used or not. if it was me, I would inspect the crap out of the actual sub, and not the box. you'll have a plastic bag over it nicely taped along with a smudge free finish of the sub as well. look for anything out of place, don't go by what the box looks like.
Edited by airgas1998 - 7/20/13 at 8:45am
post #11037 of 15598
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

The pb-12nsd was the cheapest sub it recommended. And i feel that would be overkill for the room and dont want pay more than necesary: pb-1000 is 499 euro and the pb 12 is 799 euros.
The klipsch towers has dual 6.5 woofers and same for the center.

Hard to have overkill for bass. Always better to have more than you need then just enough. Get the best one you can afford and fit in your room. You will be glad you did biggrin.gif
post #11038 of 15598
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When you buy a NEW subwoofer from SVS, does the box come ONLY taped in the center? I did NOT buy this SVS subwoofer used.

The surrounding sealed tape was cut open and ONLY the center Tape was re-taped. It just look like I bought a USED and not a new subwoofer. It is the same way with the Inner Box as well as the Outer Box. The 2 boxes was NOT seal with the surrounding tape. They just taped the Center of the box to keep Both flaps closed.

I received my PB13-Ultra a few weeks ago taped all around the box but there was no owners manual or CD included in the box. The printing outside of the box clearly lists all the contents but manual and/or CD was missing. Also the colored “Subwoofer Amplifier Function Chart" was missing. I'm not sure why and at first I suspected a used woofer.
post #11039 of 15598
After carefully examined the subwoofer, it looked new to me and even the power cable looked new to me. So I am very happy with the purchased. SVS just sent me an email and gave me this message:

We do a final QA step on all SVS products in Ohio before shipping them out. This requires removing them from their packaging and inspecting/testing them to make sure they meet spec.
post #11040 of 15598
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

After carefully examined the subwoofer, it looked new to me and even the power cable looked new to me. So I am very happy with the purchased. SVS just sent me an email and gave me this message:

We do a final QA step on all SVS products in Ohio before shipping them out. This requires removing them from their packaging and inspecting/testing them to make sure they meet spec.

there you go now you can rest, and enjoy the "new" sub.biggrin.gif
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