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post #11041 of 15659
My SB-1000 was packaged very well. When I opened it, the first thing I saw was an envelope with a note and my name on it!! Maybe they forgot to put that in?

Anyway, sorry to interrupt, but I saw a post about y-connectors and had a question. Should the y be connected to the sub or receiver? Currently, mine is in the receiver end.
post #11042 of 15659
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Originally Posted by dude74 View Post

Should the y be connected to the sub or receiver?

That depends on what you're trying to do with the Y adapter.

If you're connecting two subs to a receiver which has only one subwoofer pre-amp output, then the Y adapter probably connects to the receiver with a cable going to each sub from it. Alternatively, if the first sub has no "output" connector, the Y adapter might go on that sub's input, with the second sub daisy chained to it. Note that the gender combination of the Y adapter in each case is different.

The other case is when a sub has two inputs. Connecting a Y adapter to both inputs raises the signal strength coming in to the sub so will make it play louder than with a single input connection. This is how I connect my subs, mostly because it allows a more secure connection of the sub cable to the sub.
post #11043 of 15659
As an SVS pb-1000 owner, I really like glancing at this thread from time to time. I have my sub corner loaded in a 4400 cubic foot room with hardwood floors. I have had it for three month, and so far, I am blown away by the output, extension, tightness, and accuracy. My question is this though: how are some people on this thread not satisfied with these SVS subs, or claim they hardly hear any bass at times? There was a guy that posted he wasn't satisfied with the bass from a pb12-nsd in his bedroom, HIS BEDROOM for god sakes! I guess my question is what are some people expecting from these subs? Mine performs very well in a large room. I guess it's like those cars that pull up and all you hear is ground shaking bass but not what the song actually is because everything else is drowned out. Ok I'm done.
post #11044 of 15659
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Originally Posted by pmanyon View Post

As an SVS pb-1000 owner, I really like glancing at this thread from time to time. I have my sub corner loaded in a 4400 cubic foot room with hardwood floors. I have had it for three month, and so far, I am blown away by the output, extension, tightness, and accuracy. My question is this though: how are some people on this thread not satisfied with these SVS subs, or claim they hardly hear any bass at times? There was a guy that posted he wasn't satisfied with the bass from a pb12-nsd in his bedroom, HIS BEDROOM for god sakes! I guess my question is what are some people expecting from these subs? Mine performs very well in a large room. I guess it's like those cars that pull up and all you hear is ground shaking bass but not what the song actually is because everything else is drowned out. Ok I'm done.
It could be due to null spot or cancellation. I have seen a small room that literally hardly any pounding bass in it even with a FV15HP and another small room with JTR Captivator.
post #11045 of 15659
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Originally Posted by pmanyon View Post

As an SVS pb-1000 owner, I really like glancing at this thread from time to time. I have my sub corner loaded in a 4400 cubic foot room with hardwood floors. I have had it for three month, and so far, I am blown away by the output, extension, tightness, and accuracy. My question is this though: how are some people on this thread not satisfied with these SVS subs, or claim they hardly hear any bass at times? There was a guy that posted he wasn't satisfied with the bass from a pb12-nsd in his bedroom, HIS BEDROOM for god sakes! I guess my question is what are some people expecting from these subs? Mine performs very well in a large room. I guess it's like those cars that pull up and all you hear is ground shaking bass but not what the song actually is because everything else is drowned out. Ok I'm done.

After reading all the stories posted across the internet and the $$$ shelled out, some may be expecting nails to fly out of the sheetrock, pictures falling off walls and mothers good china to explode rolleyes.gif

My HT/Living room is open to the rest of the house for the most part and my sub can fill it completely, heck even my old Bic F12 could do that but but neither will kick you in the face tongue.gif just isn't going to happen in my space frown.gif .


Now heres the fun part - some owners may get this out of their sub from the first vid but are expecting something more like the 2nd vid.
Edited by hyghwayman - 7/24/13 at 4:46am
post #11046 of 15659
Hi guys, I have 2 pb12 pluses for sale on Canuck audio mart for $999 each. I have used them exclusively in my 2 channel system but I have just bought triton 2s with built in subs so they are no longer necessary.
post #11047 of 15659
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Originally Posted by pmanyon View Post

As an SVS pb-1000 owner, I really like glancing at this thread from time to time. I have my sub corner loaded in a 4400 cubic foot room with hardwood floors. I have had it for three month, and so far, I am blown away by the output, extension, tightness, and accuracy. My question is this though: how are some people on this thread not satisfied with these SVS subs, or claim they hardly hear any bass at times? There was a guy that posted he wasn't satisfied with the bass from a pb12-nsd in his bedroom, HIS BEDROOM for god sakes! I guess my question is what are some people expecting from these subs? Mine performs very well in a large room. I guess it's like those cars that pull up and all you hear is ground shaking bass but not what the song actually is because everything else is drowned out. Ok I'm done.

It all boils down to, some folks simply like more bass than others. Some maybe happy with 100db down into the low 20's others want 115db flat to 10hz...that is a big difference in the amount of subwoofage it takes to get there.
post #11048 of 15659
^^+1 Some are also trying to achieve a good response over a wider seating area that will generally require more SW’s.
post #11049 of 15659
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

^^+1 Some are also trying to achieve a good response over a wider seating area that will generally require more SW’s.

Agreed...myself included! smile.gif
post #11050 of 15659
Haha, I remember those videos. Yea, I guess it comes down to personal tastes.
post #11051 of 15659
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Originally Posted by pmanyon View Post

As an SVS pb-1000 owner, I really like glancing at this thread from time to time. I have my sub corner loaded in a 4400 cubic foot room with hardwood floors. I have had it for three month, and so far, I am blown away by the output, extension, tightness, and accuracy. My question is this though: how are some people on this thread not satisfied with these SVS subs, or claim they hardly hear any bass at times? There was a guy that posted he wasn't satisfied with the bass from a pb12-nsd in his bedroom, HIS BEDROOM for god sakes! I guess my question is what are some people expecting from these subs? Mine performs very well in a large room. I guess it's like those cars that pull up and all you hear is ground shaking bass but not what the song actually is because everything else is drowned out. Ok I'm done.


have a look here: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Gelli

in my 9 x 9 x 16 ft. room, one PC12-Plus wasn't enough with some movies played at Ref. Level, so i bought a PC13-Ultra to supplement it.

now, that gives me some spare capacity and the result is that the sound is sharper, better defined; but it does not play any louder.

the subs play 3 dB hot, and the only reason is that it gives me a flat-to-the-ear response.

post #11052 of 15659
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Originally Posted by pmanyon View Post

As an SVS pb-1000 owner, I really like glancing at this thread from time to time. I have my sub corner loaded in a 4400 cubic foot room with hardwood floors. I have had it for three month, and so far, I am blown away by the output, extension, tightness, and accuracy. My question is this though: how are some people on this thread not satisfied with these SVS subs, or claim they hardly hear any bass at times? There was a guy that posted he wasn't satisfied with the bass from a pb12-nsd in his bedroom, HIS BEDROOM for god sakes! I guess my question is what are some people expecting from these subs? Mine performs very well in a large room. I guess it's like those cars that pull up and all you hear is ground shaking bass but not what the song actually is because everything else is drowned out. Ok I'm done.

that guy would be me. It is not enough because of two reasons. 1) I think the sub is placed in a huge null. Due to the very small size of the room (I posted a pic a while back) this is probably sucking away a lot of the bass. 2) I listen at reference level and above quite often and when you reach volumes like that these subs sometimes cant keep up. They are amazing for what they do but like everything audio related there are limits.
post #11053 of 15659
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post


Haha it's definitely loud but far from unbearable.

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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

I am listening above reference level +5db with the Marantz 6007 powering only three speakers at the moment.

eek.gif yep that's LOUD!
post #11054 of 15659
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Originally Posted by dude74 View Post

My SB-1000 was packaged very well. When I opened it, the first thing I saw was an envelope with a note and my name on it!! Maybe they forgot to put that in?

I got my first SVS a couple of weeks ago (SVS SB-12NSD).

Had to laugh when I opened the box to find instructions for opening the box.
post #11055 of 15659
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Originally Posted by RedLefty View Post

I got my first SVS a couple of weeks ago (SVS SB-12NSD).

Had to laugh when I opened the box to find instructions for opening the box.

Welcome to the club smile.gif
I also had me a good laugh biggrin.gif
post #11056 of 15659
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Originally Posted by RedLefty View Post

I got my first SVS a couple of weeks ago (SVS SB-12NSD).

Had to laugh when I opened the box to find instructions for opening the box.


Last year I ordered a SVS right before Thanksgiving time and they sent me this! I called big Ed and he cried fowl!



post #11057 of 15659
Folks, I have a MINT PB12 PLUS/2 for sale listed in the Audioholics Classifieds section. Thanks.
post #11058 of 15659
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Last year I ordered a SVS right before Thanksgiving time and they sent me this! I called big Ed and he cried fowl!




ROFLMAO ....... Kramer!
post #11059 of 15659
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Originally Posted by RedLefty View Post

I got my first SVS a couple of weeks ago (SVS SB-12NSD).

Had to laugh when I opened the box to find instructions for opening the box.

LMFAO!!!

Mine was the same way. I just happened to open the box on the correct side. I told this to SVS. I'm sure they're going to do something about it.

Also, with my PC13-Ultra, the unboxing instructions tell you to take out half of the padding to gain access to the sub. Unfortunately, the SUB IS ON that half of the packing and the sub falls towards you while taking the packing out.
post #11060 of 15659
I just wanted to post that I had an awesome experience with SVS customer service. My PB-12nsd had a very small issue where the grommets the grill slid into were not glued in properly so they would rattle out due to the bass and then the metal grill would rattle making some annoying noise. I sent them an email saying just that and a few hours later was told a brand new sub was on its way so I didn't have to deal with any gluing or fixing myself. No questions asked just like that! A brand new sub will be here in a few days for free and I don't have to pay any shipping for sending the old one back. smile.gif
post #11061 of 15659
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

I just wanted to post that I had an awesome experience with SVS customer service.

That is superb. Thumbs up to SVS, and to you for telling us. 👍
post #11062 of 15659
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

I just wanted to post that I had an awesome experience with SVS customer service. My PB-12nsd had a very small issue where the grommets the grill slid into were not glued in properly so they would rattle out due to the bass and then the metal grill would rattle making some annoying noise. I sent them an email saying just that and a few hours later was told a brand new sub was on its way so I didn't have to deal with any gluing or fixing myself. No questions asked just like that! A brand new sub will be here in a few days for free and I don't have to pay any shipping for sending the old one back. smile.gif

Wow that really is customer service!.. such a little problem for SVS to send you a whole new sub, and to think they had a new one heading your way in just a few hrs. Good for you, glad they took care of you so well. cool.gif
post #11063 of 15659
So, question for everyone and the SVS guys - how dated is my SVS 25-31 PC Plus I bought back in 2004? Have things changed with sub technology (probably not the right word) so that something like the PC12-NSD, which looks similar to my cylinder 25-31 PC Plus, blows it away?

Building a new home and updating a few component including my old Yahaha RX-V1400 to likely a Denon X4000. Probably can't squeeze in a sub change anyway, and any change would mostly be to please my wife who always felt the 25-31 was a big large in our family room.

Just wondering if I'm still one of the cool kids on the block with my SVS 25-31 PC Plus or whether it is like wearing a black "Members Only" jacket now a days, lol.
post #11064 of 15659
Hey all! Fairly new SVS member here. I started with a pair of PC12Plus subs earlier this year and then decided to trade up to a pair of PC13Ultras to avoid buyer's remorse. Yesterday I received my Ultra package + Ultra Bookshelf set and I'm completely excited to set everything up! Like any dutiful SVS member I documented the arrival of my pallet with a few pics that should be viewable here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42156515@N07/sets/72157634815341708/

(The towers have not yet been unwrapped and moved upstairs, sorry -- pics soon)

You can see my trusty Klipsch Promedia speakers mounted around the walls. Sadly, after having a demo of Tron:Legacy (with the Plus subs), two things became painfully apparent: First, my pair of mid-level subs could barely handle the LFE's (set at -12db with all amplifier enhancements off, all ports open) and, also, my poor little Klipsch guys could not provide enough output to keep up with the subs. Well, I fixed the sub issue (I hope) by upgrading to the Ultras. Can't go any better (for a reasonable price) I figure, so haven't even bothered to demo them (that will come soon enough). Also, with the Ultra Tower package + Bookshelf set, those puny things on my walls will be getting the oust shortly (sorry guys).

Got a couple questions for anyone who's already been down this road with a similar sized room (see pics) before I make my decision on how to proceed...

First and most important, is how to mount these suckers to the walls securely (without consideration of utilizing studs). I ordered a pair of "VideoSecu Side Clamping Speaker Bracket (MS56B 3LH)" for the bookshelf speakers. I'll be using the provided mounting brackets that came with the Ultra Surrounds. And the center will sit on top of a plywood shelf supported by two (maybe three) angle brackets underneath. I've been thinking I can mount all of these speakers directly in drywall without needing studs. Am I insane? According to the first link below, the 1/8" toggle bolts I have will support 40lbs of outward tension and 35lbs of shear. The second link has even more optimistic numbers. I plan to have the center speaker a few inches from the back wall so the ports can breathe. Therefore, the front of the speaker should be around 12-14 inches from the wall. The bracket is 14x12, if I recall correctly (long side will be horizontal), so, as long as I don't greatly exceed a 1:1 ratio between the height and width of the supporting bracket, the shearing force per bracket should not exceed ~32-35lbs divided by two brackets, so 16-18lbs. This seems well within the safe limits of molly and toggle bolts, per the below articles.

http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffastener/infanchor/infanchor.html
http://www.factsfacts.com/MyHomeRepair/drywallfastenerstrengths.htm

I'd like to hear from anyone with an opinion based on their experience mounting these speakers, particularly if you mounted them in drywall successfully.

Ultra Bookshelf: 19 pounds.
Ultra Surround: 18 pounds.
Ultra Center: 31 pounds.


My second question is to the placement of the Ultra Towers. If you are able to view the pics, you'll see I have a bookshelf on the right side of the TV. This shelf can only move within that space, as there is no other wall with suitable room to accommodate it. This gives me the choice of setting the towers about 2 feet out from either side of the TV, a somewhat narrow sound field in my view, or I can scoot the bookshelf down toward the TV and set a Tower in the corner there, maybe a few inches out and angled in about 16 - 20 degrees and the other tower in the opposite corner, angled in the same. Obviously the latter should provide a wider and more immersive soundstage. Has anyone experimented with this and care to share your thoughts?

Thanks!
post #11065 of 15659
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

I just wanted to post that I had an awesome experience with SVS customer service. My PB-12nsd had a very small issue where the grommets the grill slid into were not glued in properly so they would rattle out due to the bass and then the metal grill would rattle making some annoying noise. I sent them an email saying just that and a few hours later was told a brand new sub was on its way so I didn't have to deal with any gluing or fixing myself. No questions asked just like that! A brand new sub will be here in a few days for free and I don't have to pay any shipping for sending the old one back. smile.gif

That's awesome but at the same time a bit worrying: that problem happened to many people in this thread, including myself. I hope SVS has that issue under control in manufacturing. The problem presented itself on my SB12 once the occasion to play it louder sprung up. SVS promptly told me they'd ship a whole new sub -- but I decided to upgrate to the PC12-NSD because I now have much more space to play with. Also, the PC12 doesn't have the same grille system as the SB12 and PB12. I hope your replacement will be rattle-free forever.
post #11066 of 15659
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Originally Posted by pulmonq2 View Post

Hey all! Fairly new SVS member here. I started with a pair of PC12Plus subs earlier this year and then decided to trade up to a pair of PC13Ultras to avoid buyer's remorse. Yesterday I received my Ultra package + Ultra Bookshelf set and I'm completely excited to set everything up! Like any dutiful SVS member I documented the arrival of my pallet with a few pics that should be viewable here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42156515@N07/sets/72157634815341708/

I'm sorry I don't have much input for you but on the other hand, congrats! That whole set is looking awesome and your home theater will be incredible with those.
post #11067 of 15659
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

That's awesome but at the same time a bit worrying: that problem happened to many people in this thread, including myself. I hope SVS has that issue under control in manufacturing. The problem presented itself on my SB12 once the occasion to play it louder sprung up. SVS promptly told me they'd ship a whole new sub -- but I decided to upgrate to the PC12-NSD because I now have much more space to play with. Also, the PC12 doesn't have the same grille system as the SB12 and PB12. I hope your replacement will be rattle-free forever.

I was going to mention this but didnt want anybody to think I was bashing SVS. They definately have a issue with the Grill on the SB and PB12 subs. Btw how are you liking the PC12 coming from a sealed sub? I was also curious if SVS ever offered a Sealed Cylinder(SC).
post #11068 of 15659
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I was going to mention this but didnt want anybody to think I was bashing SVS. They definately have a issue with the Grill on the SB and PB12 subs. Btw how are you liking the PC12 coming from a sealed sub? I was also curious if SVS ever offered a Sealed Cylinder(SC).

The cylinders can be configured for sealed by plugging all of the vents.
post #11069 of 15659
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I was also curious if SVS ever offered a Sealed Cylinder(SC).

From what I gather (now I could be way off) SVS feels they have a sealed cylinder option already in the PC-12+/ PC-ULTRA. That’s not to say they wont come up with another cylinder option though.
Edited by steve nn - 7/27/13 at 7:59am
post #11070 of 15659
Yea I knew you can block all ports but the pbu and pc subs are not trully optimised for sealed mode even if they can do it. I am just basing that off of the data between the SB13U and PB13U in sealed mode on audioholics.

It would be kind of cool to see a dual opposed SC sub with top and bottom firing 13" drivers.
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