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Originally Posted by banyar View Post

congrats neutro!!
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Originally Posted by Lecter83 View Post

Congratulations, Neutro! smile.gif

Thanks guys smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

Congrats Neutro. Glad to hear the baby and Mom are healthy and doing well.

My little one just came back from her two month well baby visit yesterday. 24" and 14 lb 13 oz, putting her in the 95th and 97th percentiles. I'm scared of having a boy next in case he's even bigger.

As for watching movies, I hear you. My MV hasn't gone above -30 since June. I keep reading the forums as a form of enjoying bass vicariously.

Have fun with the little one.

I'm not even sure if I correctly registered the news that you were a new father yourself since June. So congrats to yourself, and sorry if I'm repeating myself -- sometimes it's hard to keep track biggrin.gif

If it's your first kid, let this be a message of hope: they grow up really fast, and sometimes around 1 year old, their sleep pattern change completely. They become almost impossible to wake up unless the sun is rising (in which case they will wake up no matter what, even if they got to bed very late the previous evening). The good news is, you'll soon be able to raise the volume again smile.gif

Also, I sometimes listen to kid's movies with my soon-to-be-3-yo girl and bass is surprisingly good in most of them now. She also likes to dance a lot, and frequently asks me to raise the volume until the bass is pounding biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by anezthetik View Post

So I got the Pb1000 and have had time to play with it. It sounds awesome!!!

I love how the couch is arranged so you can comfortably watch the sub when it's playing biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Maximus330I View Post

Well that's too bad:( I wonder why they stopped selling the wood veneers?

As Snowmanick said, they just didn't sold that well. *Everybody* liked them a lot, they were astounding. But yet above 80% of all Ultras sold were either black ash or gloss black; the three other finishes counted for a few single-digit percentage of sales each only.
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Wow, sorry I'm late to the party.................congrats on the baby Neutro!!!
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Boom Boom ch.
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When you guys are running TrueRTA to set up svs subs, where is the best place to connect my PC via USB into my system. My oppo 105 is used for network audio 2ch and multi-channel with its analog outs to my classe ssp-800. My oppo 105 set fronts as small with 60HZ crossover. So thinking I connect my laptop to oppo front USB which accepts multichannel for my trueRTA test tones. Thanks
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

When you guys are running TrueRTA to set up svs subs, where is the best place to connect my PC via USB into my system. My oppo 105 is used for network audio 2ch and multi-channel with its analog outs to my classe ssp-800. My oppo 105 set fronts as small with 60HZ crossover. So thinking I connect my laptop to oppo front USB which accepts multichannel for my trueRTA test tones. Thanks

The OPPO 105 doesn't set nothing to anything. All of the settings in it are manual. You can change the fronts to Large and increase or decrease the xo setting to whatever sounds good to you.

You can connect your PC to the front USB port with no problem.
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Hi, all.

I recently moved into my new house and hooked up my PB12-Plus that I've used for the past 2 years.

In my old house the sound was perfect. It was in the corner of a room with laminate wood floors - certainly not the ideal HT room.

My new house has a semi-dedicated HT room with carpet. I fully expected that the sound from my entire system would be greatly improved. Overall I'm impressed with the sound of my speakers, but for some reason my sub is sounding absolutely horrible.

I have ran YPAO on my Yamaha RX-A3000 AVR, and afterwards used my RS SPL to set the level for my sub as YPAO never gets it right (speakers are right, but sub level is set too low). Now, speakers and sub have 75db at the same volume.

During heavy bass scenes in movies, the SIB sounds horrible - it's hard to explain, but it would be like I had the AVR volume maxed out and my levels in the sub and the sub level in my AVR maxed out - which isn't the case.

My sub worked perfectly before and was not damaged at all in the move as it was put in the shipping boxes that I received it in, along with using all of the protective foam and cover.

I've tried 2 different sub cords (one is a Mono price sub cord and other is a Monster cord that was the best available from Monster when I bought it about 2 years ago).

The level in the PB12-Plus is set at -3db.

I don't have a standalone sub eq and didn't need one at my last house to achieve great sound.

The sub cord is plugged into the "right" (red) Low Level Inputs jack on the sub and the toggle switch below that jack is in the down position.

Maybe I didn't setup everything correctly, I don't know. Could any of you help me out?
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Is the new room larger? You could be sitting in a null or have bad enough room acoustics that yapo used heavy eq'ing to achieve a flat response which in turn ate up some headroom. I believe the high end yamaha has sub eq capability correct?

I suggest investing in a umik-1 mic,download a copy of REW, and measure the room response before/ after running ypao.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Is the new room larger? You could be sitting in a null or have bad enough room acoustics that yapo used heavy eq'ing to achieve a flat response which in turn ate up some headroom. I believe the high end yamaha has sub eq capability correct?

I suggest investing in a umik-1 mic,download a copy of REW, and measure the room response before/ after running ypao.

I know the RX-A3000's version of YPAO doesn't eq. I've done the REW graphs before.

After running YPAO, the level on my A3000 is set to -10, but that has to be increased to +2.5 just to get to 75db using the same volume all my speakers get to 75db.

The room is larger, but I don't think my settings are much different than before - although my setup as mentioned in my previous post may not be correct.
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Look down. The carpet is acting like a bass trap unlike the wood floors which reflected the sound.
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I would start by doing a simple bass crawl and go from there . I'd be willing to bet its not the sub. It's probably due to your new room/area .
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Got my svs sb13 ultra the other day and I am very disappointed in it. For movies it's okay but for music it's horrible. It's like it's not making any sound. My Cerwin Vega is louder in the 40-60 hz range.
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Originally Posted by Sweetmeat View Post

I know the RX-A3000's version of YPAO doesn't eq. I've done the REW graphs before.

After running YPAO, the level on my A3000 is set to -10, but that has to be increased to +2.5 just to get to 75db using the same volume all my speakers get to 75db.

The room is larger, but I don't think my settings are much different than before - although my setup as mentioned in my previous post may not be correct.

I am almost certain the rx-a2020 and 3020 have sub eq.
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

Got my svs sb13 ultra the other day and I am very disappointed in it. For movies it's okay but for music it's horrible. It's like it's not making any sound. My Cerwin Vega is louder in the 40-60 hz range.

Definitely call customer service and talk to them. Music is that subs strong suite. You must have something not right. Either that or your not used to flat frequency response.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Look down. The carpet is acting like a bass trap unlike the wood floors which reflected the sound.

he has a PB-12+ so its not downfiring anyway...atleast it should not be.
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

Definitely call customer service and talk to them. Music is that subs strong suite. You must have something not right. Either that or your not used to flat frequency response.
it could be my room. It's 24 by 16 by 8 with a wide open kitchen adds another 12 by 12 by 8 and a hallway.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

he has a PB-12+ so its not downfiring anyway...atleast it should not be.

I understand it's a forward-firing sub. But, the carpet will be absorbing the sound waves and not reflecting them like on his wood floor.
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

it could be my room. It's 24 by 16 by 8 with a wide open kitchen adds another 12 by 12 by 8 and a hallway.

That is a big area. BUT...it should be slamming. Something isn't setup right in the sub/AVR/etc.
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Wow, sorry I'm late to the party.................congrats on the baby Neutro!!!

Thanks smile.gif The baby is a good sleeper. He already sleeps for 4h at a time! But only during the day tongue.gif He's awake and hungry most of the night.
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Originally Posted by Sweetmeat View Post

My new house has a semi-dedicated HT room with carpet. I fully expected that the sound from my entire system would be greatly improved. Overall I'm impressed with the sound of my speakers, but for some reason my sub is sounding absolutely horrible.

You say you ran YPAO. On some (most?) AVRs, you have to manually revert the mains to "Small" as YPAO (and MCACC and Audyssey) will set any speaker beefier than a HTiB sat to "Large". This is critical to have good bass coming from the sub.

If it's not the problem, well, first step is to find a good location; second step would be to try and EQ the sub if it's not already done by your version of YPAO.
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During heavy bass scenes in movies, the SIB sounds horrible - it's hard to explain, but it would be like I had the AVR volume maxed out and my levels in the sub and the sub level in my AVR maxed out - which isn't the case.

It sounds like you have a strong peak in your new room's frequency response, which makes the sub sound one-note-y and boomy. Changing the sub position can help, as does EQing.
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I don't have a standalone sub eq and didn't need one at my last house to achieve great sound.

Well perhaps you were lucky biggrin.gif If the problem is a single peak, when you manage to see at which frequency it is, you can even use the PEQ on the Plus to tame it.

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Originally Posted by Sweetmeat View Post

After running YPAO, the level on my A3000 is set to -10, but that has to be increased to +2.5 just to get to 75db using the same volume all my speakers get to 75db.

Something similar happened to me using a Pioneer AVR: somehow when the gain on the sub was way too high, MCACC would set the sub trim level to the minimum, even if that in fact applied too much attenuation. The situation is probably worsened if you have a peak in frequency response in your room: YPAO may be measuring the peak intensity. One thing that can help is reduce the gain on you sub by several dBs and run YPAO again.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Look down. The carpet is acting like a bass trap unlike the wood floors which reflected the sound.

Well carpet can act as a bass trap but only if it is really heavy/long, and only for the upper bass. Below about 40 Hz, there is little that can be done to attenuate the sound waves, apart from putting lots of mass in the path.
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

Got my svs sb13 ultra the other day and I am very disappointed in it. For movies it's okay but for music it's horrible. It's like it's not making any sound. My Cerwin Vega is louder in the 40-60 hz range.

This is likely a problem with setup, as I'm not aware of any CV sub that has even close to the output capabilities of the SB13 Ultra (except maybe the pro CVA-121, and even then, the SB13 would have more deep bass output than that!).

If it's barely making any sound, there are several things to check.

  • Are your speakers set to "small" in your AVR?
  • Perhaps the gain on the sub is too high, and the AVR sets the signal so low that the sub does not auto turn on. You can try lowering the gain on the sub and recalibrate the sub level. Signals from the LFE channel in movies are typically much stronger and would turn on the sub more reliably than when listening to music.
  • Speaking of calibration, are you confident the sub is set at the correct level?
  • Running the sub a tad hot is totally OK
  • If listening at mostly moderate levels, boosting bass or using loudness settings, or better yet Audyssey DynamicEQ, can totally change how the sub sounds.

You should also ask SVS for hints, they will probably offer you precious advise on how to set up that sub. Please report back in any case.
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I currently own an older pb10 and recently bought a pb1000. I'm working my way to eventually owning another pair of pb1000s, but then started thinking that the price of four subs is pretty much the price of a pb13 Ultra. So, would I be better off with a single pb13 or four smaller subs, pb1000? Could I get the performance of a pb13 running 3 pb1000s and a pb10?
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I don't remember enough of the PB-1000's specs but running four of them will at, at most, provide 12 dB (6 dB for each doubling) more than a single one. Most realistically it will be around 4-5 dB per doubling, so around 8-10 dB more, unless you stack them at the same position. In terms of total amp power, 4 PB-1000s will have a bit more than a single Ultra, and in terms of cone area, four PB-1000s will have more than twice than the single Ultra.

So total output will certainly be close to an Ultra (although I think the Ultra will still have the edge) and running four subs will also have the benefit of smoothing the frequency response and uniformizing bass across your room. The Ultra however can be tuned to 16 Hz and provide more low-frequency extension. A single mini-fridge sized sub may also be easier to place in a room than four PB-1000s.

So in my mind it's almost a tie... I think you should ask SVS about that.
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

I currently own an older pb10 and recently bought a pb1000. I'm working my way to eventually owning another pair of pb1000s, but then started thinking that the price of four subs is pretty much the price of a pb13 Ultra. So, would I be better off with a single pb13 or four smaller subs, pb1000? Could I get the performance of a pb13 running 3 pb1000s and a pb10?

Multiple subs is where its at imo being you have room for them. Having a good response with 4 lesser(quality) subs will sound better than 1 great sub with a poor response. If you could go dual PB13's then I would go that route, but I would take 3 PB1000's over a single PB13.

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When I say lesser I still mean quality. I would much rather have 1 quality sub over multiple budget units. I consider the PB1000 to be a entry level quality sub. Now bear in mind some rooms work decently with one sub, but thats very rare. My room did not come to life until adding a third sub. I constantly was adjusting everything trying to find the sweet spot and never could find it. After I added the third and made a few adjustments, I have not touched the setup in over a month. Now I just sit back and enjoy the balanced, smooth, deep, refined bass that fills my room. smile.gif
Edited by basshead81 - 9/9/13 at 9:03pm
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he has a PB-12+ so its not downfiring anyway...atleast it should not be.

Ha! That got a good hearty laugh out of me, thinking about what my subwoofer would look like with its driver face down in the carpet! :-)

Anyway, I spoke with Ed @ SVS this morning, and it sounds like my PB12-Plus is being over driven. I will try a new position for the Sub tonight, rerun YPAO, reset my speakers to small and set the crossover to 80, then set the levels manually using my RS SPL, and hopefully that will eliminate the fluttering sounds I get.

Maybe I also need to get more subs to get 75 SPL without hearing the fluttering sound. My new room is 6000 ft^3.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Thanks smile.gif The baby is a good sleeper. He already sleeps for 4h at a time! But only during the day tongue.gif He's awake and hungry most of the night.
You say you ran YPAO. On some (most?) AVRs, you have to manually revert the mains to "Small" as YPAO (and MCACC and Audyssey) will set any speaker beefier than a HTiB sat to "Large". This is critical to have good bass coming from the sub.

If it's not the problem, well, first step is to find a good location; second step would be to try and EQ the sub if it's not already done by your version of YPAO.
It sounds like you have a strong peak in your new room's frequency response, which makes the sub sound one-note-y and boomy. Changing the sub position can help, as does EQing.
Well perhaps you were lucky biggrin.gif If the problem is a single peak, when you manage to see at which frequency it is, you can even use the PEQ on the Plus to tame it.
Something similar happened to me using a Pioneer AVR: somehow when the gain on the sub was way too high, MCACC would set the sub trim level to the minimum, even if that in fact applied too much attenuation. The situation is probably worsened if you have a peak in frequency response in your room: YPAO may be measuring the peak intensity. One thing that can help is reduce the gain on you sub by several dBs and run YPAO again.
Well carpet can act as a bass trap but only if it is really heavy/long, and only for the upper bass. Below about 40 Hz, there is little that can be done to attenuate the sound waves, apart from putting lots of mass in the path.
This is likely a problem with setup, as I'm not aware of any CV sub that has even close to the output capabilities of the SB13 Ultra (except maybe the pro CVA-121, and even then, the SB13 would have more deep bass output than that!).

If it's barely making any sound, there are several things to check.

  • Are your speakers set to "small" in your AVR?
  • Perhaps the gain on the sub is too high, and the AVR sets the signal so low that the sub does not auto turn on. You can try lowering the gain on the sub and recalibrate the sub level. Signals from the LFE channel in movies are typically much stronger and would turn on the sub more reliably than when listening to music.
  • Speaking of calibration, are you confident the sub is set at the correct level?
  • Running the sub a tad hot is totally OK
  • If listening at mostly moderate levels, boosting bass or using loudness settings, or better yet Audyssey DynamicEQ, can totally change how the sub sounds.

You should also ask SVS for hints, they will probably offer you precious advise on how to set up that sub. Please report back in any case.

My onkyo doesn't have a small/large setting.
I have my speakers set at 80hz and the sub set to 80hz as well.
I've ran the sub at almost max. The sub itself goes from -100 to 0. I can't hear it until it's way up there. It's currently set at -8, I'd say that's running hot. The sub channel on my receiver goes from -12 to +12, and I have it at max.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would have thought you would have had to disable the low pass filter (and high pass) on the sub - otherwise you are telling the receiver to send all signals below 80hz to the sub and then telling the sub not to play them!
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

he has a PB-12+ so its not downfiring anyway...atleast it should not be.

Ha! Well we see all kinds of things around here don't we biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Sweetmeat View Post

Ha! That got a good hearty laugh out of me, thinking about what my subwoofer would look like with its driver face down in the carpet! :-)

Anyway, I spoke with Ed @ SVS this morning, and it sounds like my PB12-Plus is being over driven. I will try a new position for the Sub tonight, rerun YPAO, reset my speakers to small and set the crossover to 80, then set the levels manually using my RS SPL, and hopefully that will eliminate the fluttering sounds I get.

Maybe I also need to get more subs to get 75 SPL without hearing the fluttering sound. My new room is 6000 ft^3.

Yea you need atleast dual PB12+ for that size room imo...3-4 would be even better.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Sweetmeat View Post

Ha! That got a good hearty laugh out of me, thinking about what my subwoofer would look like with its driver face down in the carpet! :-)

Anyway, I spoke with Ed @ SVS this morning, and it sounds like my PB12-Plus is being over driven. I will try a new position for the Sub tonight, rerun YPAO, reset my speakers to small and set the crossover to 80, then set the levels manually using my RS SPL, and hopefully that will eliminate the fluttering sounds I get.

Maybe I also need to get more subs to get 75 SPL without hearing the fluttering sound. My new room is 6000 ft^3.

That's a big room but you must be pushing it hard for that pb12-plus to get nasty. Definitely try another location and/or get some measurements if you can.
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

Got my svs sb13 ultra the other day and I am very disappointed in it. For movies it's okay but for music it's horrible. It's like it's not making any sound. My Cerwin Vega is louder in the 40-60 hz range.

I would venture to say you got the wrong sub if you are comparing it to Cerwin Vega. A ported sub like PB12-plus probably would have been better.
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

I would venture to say you got the wrong sub if you are comparing it to Cerwin Vega. A ported sub like PB12-plus probably would have been better.
Agreed and also I think a PB 13 Ultra would be even better . I have a PB12 plus and that's a great sub but feel my PB 13 digs deeper . I would think a sealed sub would be better for music but it seems that's not what the op is experiencing . I also feel it might be a setup issue he's experiencing .
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

My onkyo doesn't have a small/large setting.

Since your receiver is doing bass management, the speakers should be set to small, i.e. not be sent signals with full frequency range.
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I have my speakers set at 80hz

I presume you mean your crossover on the receiver.
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and the sub set to 80hz as well.

You should not be using the filters on the sub. Set this to off. This would certainly suffice to explain a drop in bass around the crossover frequency - a fully audible range.
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I've ran the sub at almost max. The sub itself goes from -100 to 0. I can't hear it until it's way up there. It's currently set at -8, I'd say that's running hot.

I'd say, as others have, that there is something very wrong with your setup (including the above). In your position, I'd describe all your connections and settings from the receiver to the sub along with details of how you are testing and what results you get*. You can tell us, but as advised you should certainly call SVS customer support with this information so they can walk you through the setup.

It's easy to say to just read the SVS FAQ and the other posts in this long thread because it's full of good advice repeated often, but you really should. You have a very capable sub which should sound different from your previous sub(s), but only in a good way when properly set up.
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The sub channel on my receiver goes from -12 to +12, and I have it at max.

This is certainly wrong. Your receiver should not be near to the maximum or minimum adjustments when the amp on the sub is correctly adjusted.

*[For example, 10 - 250 Hz sweeps measured with a good SPL meter at the primary listening position is quite different from listening to some audio track with only upper bass while sitting against the wall.]
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