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post #12271 of 15656
my subs minus the grills
post #12272 of 15656
^^^

Now we are talking...........wink.gif

Thanks for sharing the pics. Are you ready to shake your neighborhood this weekend?

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post #12273 of 15656
Trying to decide what my best choice is for a 30x17x9 room with an opening to the kitchen to go with my current pc12-plus. I can either get another plus or get dual pb12-nsd for about 100$ more. If i get another plus im sure it will be a lot easier setting up and matching it with my current setup. Which one do you think would be best for my room? Will be mostly for movies and games with a little bit of music.
post #12274 of 15656
Missyman, I would advise you contact SVS unless you don't mind using the subs without grill or with the grill occasionally falling off.

However, some people here had bad luck even with replacements. I had an SB12 whose grille didn't fit correctly and was rattling, and SVS replaced the whole sub. However I decided to switch to a PC12-NSD as nobody has mentioned any problem with the grill on the cylinders recently. I now own two PC12-Plus and one PC12-NSD and I can guarantee you can't pop the grill off those biggrin.gif

Of course the cylinders are a completely different form factor and look from the PB12-NSD, so it might not work for you. But if you don't mind cylinders, you could ask for a swap.

Another way to mitigate the issue is to put the sub on a rubber foam mat. When I did this with the SB12 (initially in order to damp vibrations), it also helped keep the grill from rattling / moving too much. But this was not a fix per se.
post #12275 of 15656
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Originally Posted by thanksinadvance View Post

Trying to decide what my best choice is for a 30x17x9 room with an opening to the kitchen to go with my current pc12-plus. I can either get another plus or get dual pb12-nsd for about 100$ more. If i get another plus im sure it will be a lot easier setting up and matching it with my current setup. Which one do you think would be best for my room? Will be mostly for movies and games with a little bit of music.

The room is huge by itself, and is open to boot, so any addition will be beneficial.

I'd choose another Plus, not because it'd be cheaper but because you'd be able to use 16 Hz tuning on both subs if you want. If you go with dual PB12-NSD, integration will be easier if you keep the Plus in 20 Hz tuning.
post #12276 of 15656
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Missyman, I would advise you contact SVS unless you don't mind using the subs without grill or with the grill occasionally falling off.

However, some people here had bad luck even with replacements. I had an SB12 whose grille didn't fit correctly and was rattling, and SVS replaced the whole sub. However I decided to switch to a PC12-NSD as nobody has mentioned any problem with the grill on the cylinders recently. I now own two PC12-Plus and one PC12-NSD and I can guarantee you can't pop the grill off those biggrin.gif

Of course the cylinders are a completely different form factor and look from the PB12-NSD, so it might not work for you. But if you don't mind cylinders, you could ask for a swap.

Another way to mitigate the issue is to put the sub on a rubber foam mat. When I did this with the SB12 (initially in order to damp vibrations), it also helped keep the grill from rattling / moving too much. But this was not a fix per se.
thanks bro! I appreciate your knowledge and input.
post #12277 of 15656
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

^^^

Now we are talking...........wink.gif

Thanks for sharing the pics. Are you ready to shake your neighborhood this weekend?

tongue.gif
Hell to the yea!!!
post #12278 of 15656
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

If she's like my wife she won't say anything. Most women it seems would be happy using the tv speakers.

Congrats on the subs. A pair of them should be awesome.

I am lucky in that respect. While my wife is not the gearhead I am, she does appreciate good sound.

Tracking says they will be here Monday!
post #12279 of 15656
Update on my grill issue. Svs is sending me two more new subs with new grills and after i get them they scheduled a pick up for the subs i just got yesterday. Svs is so helpful!
post #12280 of 15656
Just received my PB-1000. Its a beast, and quickly ran multi point Aventage ypao threw a test disk in and quickly was floored right out of the box. I couldn't turn the remote down fast enough with the 20hz sine sweep. I didn't even get to the track that starts at zero hz sine sweep up to 200hz. Holy crap!!! Those few seconds of 20hz sold me over again. I almost pulled a credit card to buy two or three more. Dang those SVS wizards and their DSP scheme in those sledge amps! I'm calling to thank them for making amazing products.

Brian in Fresno...
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I hope the new subs will be to your satisfaction!
post #12282 of 15656
It does seem very tight and needs to loosen but it does blend nicely with 5 channels of HTD level 2 books and center. Very nice blending. Very nice! I am very pleased right out of the box. 2.1 is awesome and the quality of the tone, pitch, and depth is fantastic. Man I was truly missing a quality and accurate low end.
post #12283 of 15656
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Originally Posted by Hspecialist View Post

Just received my PB-1000. Its a beast, and quickly ran multi point Aventage ypao threw a test disk in and quickly was floored right out of the box. I couldn't turn the remote down fast enough with the 20hz sine sweep. I didn't even get to the track that starts at zero hz sine sweep up to 200hz. Holy crap!!! Those few seconds of 20hz sold me over again. I almost pulled a credit card to buy two or three more. Dang those SVS wizards and their DSP scheme in those sledge amps! I'm calling to thank them for making amazing products.

Brian in Fresno...


Great to hear. I have decided on the PB 1000 for my HT room which is 12x18x8 and is fully enclosed with carpet. I will be using the PB with Definitve Technology speakers and a Pioneer AVR. Can't wait.
post #12284 of 15656
Careful guys. The PB-1000 is a gateway drug wink.gif
post #12285 of 15656
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Careful guys. The PB-1000 is a gateway drug wink.gif

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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Careful guys. The PB-1000 is a gateway drug wink.gif

Lol
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Careful guys. The PB-1000 is a gateway drug wink.gif

Lol!!!

My PB-12nsd is going to be traded in for a PB-13 ultra in a few months.... O yes I want more of the good stuff!!! HAHA:D
post #12288 of 15656
Fedex wasn't supposed to delivery till Monday....glad I was home!

SVS suppport has been great. Once I ran setup things were not as I expected. After a few minutes on the phone going thru settings we ran another test.

Holy smokes that did it! I expect a call from the neighbors soon tongue.gif

Next too the old Mirage sub



Edited by zoldar - 12/7/13 at 3:00pm
post #12289 of 15656
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Originally Posted by zoldar View Post

Next too the old Mirage sub

Is the one on the left a bookshelf speaker? tongue.gif
post #12290 of 15656
Is this normal with my PB-1000? I have the gain set at 2 o'clock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br406LCdV1E
BTW this s the grenade scene in WWZ
post #12291 of 15656
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Originally Posted by tang7969 View Post

Is this normal with my PB-1000? I have the gain set at 2 o'clock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br406LCdV1E
BTW this s the grenade scene in WWZ

I wouldn't think so. It's possible something is not tightened fully. Have you tried taking a screwdriver and snugging down all the screws?
post #12292 of 15656
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Originally Posted by bigvix View Post

Lol!!!

My PB-12nsd is going to be traded in for a PB-13 ultra in a few months.... O yes I want more of the good stuff!!! HAHA:D
if not get a second pb12 nsd and run duals. That's what i did. And now the bass is like omg!
post #12293 of 15656
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

Does anyone else have a problem with the grills staying on? My subs hit so hard it blows the grills off! Lol
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Grills rattling or coming off had been an issue for a few people in this thread. SVS typically replaces the whole sub when that happens / if it's bothering you. It had been a while since someone mentioned this about new subs so it looks like the problem is recurring. Are you able to fully insert all four grill pegs in their holes?
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

No I'm not. It's almost like I have to force it in; hold half and bang the other half in, and repeat.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Missyman, I would advise you contact SVS unless you don't mind using the subs without grills or with the grills occasionally falling off. However, some people here had bad luck even with replacements.

Another way to mitigate the issue is to put the sub on a rubber foam mat. When I did this with the SB12 (initially in order to damp vibrations), it also helped keep the grill from rattling / moving too much. But this was not a fix per se.
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

Update on my grill issue. SVS is sending me two more new subs, and after i get them, they scheduled a pick up for the subs I just got yesterday. SVS is so helpful!


I got my SB12 this past June, and I've recently been PMing with a couple of folks about this issue... mostly about my own solution, which will be to attach a much lighter-weight, wood-framed custom grill. I'm hoping to finally get it completed right after the holidays, at which point I'll post some pics of the finished grill.

In the meantime, it might be helpful to mention that I did manage to discover exactly why the grill was popping off. In my case, the grill would stay on fine during operation, but if I accidentally bumped the grill with my knee, the lower-right peg would pop out. The same thing would happen if I moved the SB12 even the smallest fraction of an inch, since at that time, it was still sitting on my thickly-padded carpet, which the grill's entire bottom edge was touching.

One other guy found that his grill was popping off because the grill itself was slightly warped... but mine wasn't.

Finally, in looking closely at the lower-right peg's mounting hole, I discovered that that peg's plastic attachment receptacle was very noticeably mounted a little off-center, inside its opening in the speaker... causing the grill to act like a loaded spring.

My guess is that this is an easily-remedied quality-control issue which needs to be addressed at the factory... but for those of you who are encountering this problem, it might be worth your while to inspect your sub's mounting holes with a magnifying glass. If it turns out that a misaligned mounting is responsible... that could be useful information to provide SVS, should you decide to contact them about it.
post #12294 of 15656
This is indeed something like this that went wrong in my own SB12. With time, the peg in the off-center holes applied so much pressure that they partially ate through the metal ridges inside the holes. After a while, the peg was able to vibrate inside the whole and cause the rattle.

I agree this is entirely a QA issue and SVS just replaces the whole sub when that happens. But it's kind of surprising that it's not yet completely fixed. Not sure how much of the sub they can reuse after sending them back. The amp and driver for sure, but I guess they can't really reuse the enclosures nor the grills.

I also wonder how frequent the issue is. There are a number of people who don't even use the grills in the first place, and others like myself who at first only listened at moderate levels and used the sub on a padded material that helped keep the grill in place.

This is a bit sad since I absolutely *love* those metal grills. I switched to cylinders and I really miss the shielded look of my previous sub. (The grills on the cylinders are not the same at all).
post #12295 of 15656
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post





I got my SB12 this past June, and I've recently been PMing with a couple of folks about this issue... mostly about my own solution, which will be to attach a much lighter-weight, wood-framed custom grill. I'm hoping to finally get it completed right after the holidays, at which point I'll post some pics of the finished grill.

In the meantime, it might be helpful to mention that I did manage to discover exactly why the grill was popping off. In my case, the grill would stay on fine during operation, but if I accidentally bumped the grill with my knee, the lower-right peg would pop out. The same thing would happen if I moved the SB12 even the smallest fraction of an inch, since at that time, it was still sitting on my thickly-padded carpet, which the grill's entire bottom edge was touching.

One other guy found that his grill was popping off because the grill itself was slightly warped... but mine wasn't.

Finally, in looking closely at the lower-right peg's mounting hole, I discovered that that peg's plastic attachment receptacle was very noticeably mounted a little off-center, inside its opening in the speaker... causing the grill to act like a loaded spring.

My guess is that this is an easily-remedied quality-control issue which needs to be addressed at the factory... but for those of you who are encountering this problem, it might be worth your while to inspect your sub's mounting holes with a magnifying glass. If it turns out that a misaligned mounting is responsible... that could be useful information to provide SVS, should you decide to contact them about it.
one if my holes that the Peg from my grill guess into is almost pushed into my sub. Probably from me trying to force the grill on. I will not make that mistake again when i get my subs again on Wed. The other sub us fine but the grill still would vibrate off.
I would like to see pics of the grills you make when you get done.
post #12296 of 15656
If the grill popped off my PC, I would DEFINITELY turn down the gain! eek.gif
post #12297 of 15656
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I agree this is entirely a QA issue and SVS just replaces the whole sub when that happens. But it's kind of surprising that it's not yet completely fixed.

I also wonder how frequent the issue is. There are a number of people who don't even use the grills in the first place, and others like myself who only listen at moderate levels, and who use the sub on padded material that helps to keep the grill in place.

This is a bit sad, since I absolutely *love* those metal grills. I switched to cylinders, and I really miss the shielded look of my previous sub. (The grills on the cylinders are not the same at all).

Hello, my friend! Right after I submitted my post, I sent SVS Customer Service a link to it. Perhaps no one there has realized that the apparent cause of the problem is an easily-fixed assembly issue. I'll be sure to post whatever reply I receive from them.


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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

One of the holes that the peg from my grill goes into is almost pushed into my sub; probably from me trying to force the grill on. I will not make that mistake again, when I get my subs on Wed. The other sub is fine, but the grill still would vibrate off.

When you get the replacements on Wednesday, be sure to inspect the mounting-holes on both subs with a magnifying glass BEFORE you try to mount their grills!
Edited by B 26354 - 12/7/13 at 7:22pm
post #12298 of 15656
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

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Hello, my friend! Right after I submitted my post, I sent SVS Customer Service a link to it. Perhaps no one there has realized that the apparent cause of the problem is an easily-fixed assembly issue. I'll be sure to post whatever reply I receive from them.
When you get the replacements on Wednesday, be sure to inspect the mounting-holes on both subs with a magnifying glass BEFORE you try to mount their grills!
i will. Thanks
post #12299 of 15656
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

if not get a second pb12 nsd and run duals. That's what i did. And now the bass is like omg!
I set my sub up with phase in the middle lpf on off and can't remember other setting. Its great just I feel I need eq or some rew tests. My listening seat and the one beside me is night and day one u feel the bass the seat next to it almost goes away. But its just in a living room atm until my ht is completed
post #12300 of 15656
I need a some feed back on which direction I am thinking about.

I have a pb12+ and can through other outlets obtain (2) PC12+'s for about half cost of new ones. The dilemma I am struggling with is the (2) pc12+ subs are out of warranty (2009 model), but I have confirmed that they do belong to the original owner. So should I be worried about out of warranty and the age of them? I have talked with SVS about them and they said that the 2009 models were some of their best subs. I just hate to spend the cash and find out I made a mistake on purchasing used.

If someone that owes a 2009 model SVS sub can confirm on the stability, reliability and personal observation of them, I might making a decision easier for me.
Thanks
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