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post #12421 of 15704
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Originally Posted by coxcableman View Post

I just got the Pb12 nsd and am loving it, just wondering if there might be something up with the power on this sub. I read lots of reviews from others saying that they set there gain on the sub to 12oclock and there sub trim on the avr in the negatives and have tremendous output from there pb12... I set my crossover on my avr at 100 all speakers set to small, gain on the sub to 12 oclock run auto calibration and my avr will set the trim on the sub to about neg 4 and I get very little output from the sub, even when i set the trim up to +15 which is maxed out I get very little output. SVS says to just run the gain maxed out and just set the trim on the avr to taste, when I do this I get alot of output, but wondering why I'm not experiencing the same output as others. I have done the sub crawl and really tweaked all settings, but cant get the big output untill its just about maxed out on the gain does this sound right. Dont get me wrong I love the sound of this sub but feel its lacking when the gain is around the halfway mark! Thanks in advance for any comments
i have 2 pb12 nsds and on my avr i run it on +5 and my gain in run it at 2 o clock. But i like a little more bass than the average person. And its more than enough.
post #12422 of 15704
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Originally Posted by coxcableman View Post

I just got the Pb12 nsd and am loving it, just wondering if there might be something up with the power on this sub. I read lots of reviews from others saying that they set there gain on the sub to 12oclock and there sub trim on the avr in the negatives and have tremendous output from there pb12... I set my crossover on my avr at 100 all speakers set to small, gain on the sub to 12 oclock run auto calibration and my avr will set the trim on the sub to about neg 4 and I get very little output from the sub, even when i set the trim up to +15 which is maxed out I get very little output. SVS says to just run the gain maxed out and just set the trim on the avr to taste, when I do this I get alot of output, but wondering why I'm not experiencing the same output as others. I have done the sub crawl and really tweaked all settings, but cant get the big output untill its just about maxed out on the gain does this sound right. Dont get me wrong I love the sound of this sub but feel its lacking when the gain is around the halfway mark! Thanks in advance for any comments

Nothing wrong at all. I use a y- splitter that allows for about 5 db of increased gain, and have mine set at 3 clicks past 12 and the AVR at 0. Without the y-splitter, I have to turn the sub to 9 o'clock to get the same level. This sub is very deep, tight and musical, so it takes some getting used to if you're used to subs that only go Boom. Don't worry though, the PB12 does boom just fine.
post #12423 of 15704
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Nothing wrong at all. I use a y- splitter that allows for about 5 db of increased gain, and have mine set at 3 clicks past 12 and the AVR at 0. Without the y-splitter, I have to turn the sub to 9 o'clock to get the same level. This sub is very deep, tight and musical, so it takes some getting used to if you're used to subs that only go Boom. Don't worry though, the PB12 does boom just fine.


I also forgot to mention I do have a y splitter also. When I set it to 9oclock with trim to 0 it sounds great just thought there would be big output at 12oclock but guess not! Thanks for the replys!!!! Loven my new SVS blows my old JBL 12 out of the water and mops the floor with it...... only complaint is the finish would love it if it was the piano black, and a digital display with remote would have made this subwoofer the ultimate deal!!!!
post #12424 of 15704
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

i have 2 pb12 nsds and on my avr i run it on +5 and my gain in run it at 2 o clock. But i like a little more bass than the average person. And its more than enough.

Must be fun to have 2 of these subs hopefully in my near future, fingers are crossed. Need a new house first and then I will build the dedicated theater. It will be so fun
post #12425 of 15704
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Originally Posted by coxcableman View Post

Must be fun to have 2 of these subs hopefully in my near future, fingers are crossed. Need a new house first and then I will build the dedicated theater. It will be so fun
they are awesome!
post #12426 of 15704
hey guys, my pb-1000 has been losing its signal off and on and I noticed today, while checking the connections, that the lfe rca jack is loose as I can wiggle the jack a little bit compared to the other inputs where they are stiff and secured. I really don't want to go through the hassle of shipping the sub back and then waiting for a fix since II am off for the holidays and would be without a sub. I was wondering if it would be a simple fix for me to just unscrew the amp and perhaps tighten it myself or could the problem be worse than a simple re-tightening and best to let SVS deal with it? I've only had the sub for a little over a year, if that.
post #12427 of 15704
Teck, contact SVS, and they'll find the less annoying solution to your problem. Worst case scenario I guess is they'll ship you a new amp and you'll perform the swap.
post #12428 of 15704
My PC13-Ultra arrived today. Looking forward to setting it up in a few days. Family first.

Merry Christmas to all, and thanks for helping me choose, even if you didn't realize it.
post #12429 of 15704
I love my PC. You're gonna love yours. Have fun setting it up.
post #12430 of 15704
Come back with your first impressions or if you have any question! That's a nice Christmas gift for sure smile.gif
post #12431 of 15704
Just place an order for Dual PC-12+. These will replace my lone PB-10 NSD.
Hopefully arrive on Friday since I'm about 40 miles from their warehouse.

Not sure what to do with the PB10.
post #12432 of 15704
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Just place an order for Dual PC-12+. These will replace my lone PB-10 NSD.
Hopefully arrive on Friday since I'm about 40 miles from their warehouse.

Not sure what to do with the PB10.

Congrats! - I love my dual PC12's. I'm sure the plus's will blow you away! .. just donate the pb-10 to one of your buddies and turn him into a bass junkie like the rest of us smile.gif
post #12433 of 15704
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Originally Posted by Sean Spamilton View Post

Congrats! - I love my dual PC12's. I'm sure the plus's will blow you away! .. just donate the pb-10 to one of your buddies and turn him into a bass junkie like the rest of us smile.gif

Hoping to get rid of it someone that will appreciate it. Biggest problem being size. It's still a behemoth for most people
post #12434 of 15704
The bedroom theater has been rearranged. In the corners are a pair of SVS SB-1000s, crossed over at 100Hz with the Pioneer SP-FS51-LRs, SP-BS21-LRs and SP-C21.



This compares favourably to the original location inside a shelving unit, at least audibly.



The corner loaded position (recommended in the manual) sounds awesome with all the demo material I've tried so far. I will be putting them on some type of home-made riser. Cables are Monoprice 6ft High-quality Coaxial Audio/Video RCA CL2 Rated Cable - RG6/U 75ohm connected to the sub with 6inch RCA Female to 2-RCA Male Digital Coaxial Splitter Adapter and the receiver's single output with a Gold RCA Y Adapter from SVS.

Other equipment visible includes Pioneer VSX-521-K 5.1 receiver, Oppo BDP-80 BD/DVD-V/DVD-A/VCD/SACD/HDCD/CD/etc. player, Panasonic DVD-F84S five disc DVD-V/DVD-A/HDCD/CD changer, LG 47LH40 LCD TV, Apple TV and a TP-LINK TL-WR1043ND 300Mbps 802.11 N gigabit router/switch connected via a Rosewill RPLC-200 ethernet over power line adapter. All devices controlled by my URC MX-500.
post #12435 of 15704

What do you guys think would be a reasonable price to offer for a one year old mint condition SVS PB12-PLUS (currently $1400)?

What is the way to test it before buy at the sellers home?

 

Thanks in advance.

Will appreciated any help.

Cheers.

post #12436 of 15704
Merry Christmas a tad late to all SVS owners smile.gif
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Just place an order for Dual PC-12+. These will replace my lone PB-10 NSD.

Welcome in the very select dual PC12-Plus owner's club biggrin.gif Unless your listening room is an actual theater, you should get astounding performances with those.
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Hoping to get rid of it someone that will appreciate it. Biggest problem being size. It's still a behemoth for most people

Just show them your new subs as a comparison point.
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Originally Posted by Midav View Post

What do you guys think would be a reasonable price to offer for a one year old mint condition SVS PB12-PLUS (currently $1400)?
What is the way to test it before buy at the sellers home?

That's a bit of a though question. Included in the price is shipping so it should be $100-150 less than the web site pricing unless the current owner can drop it to your residence. Else... SVS subs tend to keep their values as they have a very good warranty and models are not upgraded yearly. SVS subs that are less than a year old can be traded up for more expensive subs; these subs are then sold in the outlet section of SVS's web site. The subs in the outlet come with a full 5-year warranty. There's currently a PB12-Plus there for 1299.00 (shipped). Considering the above estimate for shipping, the highest price I'd pay for a used sub would be 100-150$ less than that amount, so, say, 1149. But it would have to be mint condition as you say. More realistically, I'd say under $1000 would be a great deal; above 1000$, it would have to be in perfect condition, and if 1199 was his last word, I think I'd go for the outlet one for only $100 more.

As for testing, the quality of bass is hard to judge because it will strongly depend on the current owner's setup and taste. However, you should be able to bring a few demos (movies and songs) and test them. You're buying a premium sub so you should be able to test it at high listening levels. Technically you'd be safe if there was any problem with the amp or driver as the warranty is transferable. So the most important thing would be to look for any scratch or aesthetic problem. Be sure the grille is installed and included. Also be sure the three foam port plugs are included. Realistically, you'll want to at least try the 16 Hz tune at home, so you'd want at leas one port plug.
post #12437 of 15704
Merry Christmas, all!!

I just put to bed any doubt I had about the capabilities of my cylinders... I finally watched "Pulse." I actually bought it for the infamous "server room" scene, but ended up enjoying the film itself quite a bit. One thing, though... while my subs handled the server room with ease, the same cannot be said of the metal skirt behind the gas fireplace: with each pulse (pun intended), the metal rattled. Any suggestions?
post #12438 of 15704

Thank you for the well-thought-out analysis. All makes sense.

 

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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Merry Christmas a tad late to all SVS owners smile.gif

That's a bit of a though question. Included in the price is shipping so it should be $100-150 less than the web site pricing unless the current owner can drop it to your residence. Else... SVS subs tend to keep their values as they have a very good warranty and models are not upgraded yearly. SVS subs that are less than a year old can be traded up for more expensive subs; these subs are then sold in the outlet section of SVS's web site. The subs in the outlet come with a full 5-year warranty. There's currently a PB12-Plus there for 1299.00 (shipped). Considering the above estimate for shipping, the highest price I'd pay for a used sub would be 100-150$ less than that amount, so, say, 1149. But it would have to be mint condition as you say. More realistically, I'd say under $1000 would be a great deal; above 1000$, it would have to be in perfect condition, and if 1199 was his last word, I think I'd go for the outlet one for only $100 more.

As for testing, the quality of bass is hard to judge because it will strongly depend on the current owner's setup and taste. However, you should be able to bring a few demos (movies and songs) and test them. You're buying a premium sub so you should be able to test it at high listening levels. Technically you'd be safe if there was any problem with the amp or driver as the warranty is transferable. So the most important thing would be to look for any scratch or aesthetic problem. Be sure the grille is installed and included. Also be sure the three foam port plugs are included. Realistically, you'll want to at least try the 16 Hz tune at home, so you'd want at leas one port plug.
post #12439 of 15704
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Realistically, you'll want to at least try the 16 Hz tune at home, so you'd want at leas one port plug.

 

Sorry for the newbie question.

I was considered to get a Denon AVR-X2000 which has the power output of 20-20k.

Looking at even higher models up to X4000 they all have the same output frequency range.

I believe all the receivers I've recently looked at have the same range specified.

How can you reach 16 Hz, does it require even a higher end receiver?

 

Speaking of frequency ranges and compatibility, wouldn't a SVS PB12-PLUS be an overkill when used in a team with Monitor Audio Bronze BX speakers (2xBX-6, 2xBX-1 and BX center)?

I originally planned to get a new PB-12NCD, but accidentally found this PB12-PLUS used for sale. Any thoughts?

post #12440 of 15704
Rattles must be dealt with individually, and they're not always easily dealt with. In my room, Pulse make the air ducts under the floor rattle... There's little I can do honestly. The plates in the kitchen adjacent to the living room also rattle, even before I can hear / sense sub-20 Hz vibrations.

The 20Hz-20kHz spec in AVRs are for the amps. You'll use the sub pre out to connect the sub, and it will carry signals down to 5 Hz and below.

And the Plus may be overkill our not but that also depend on the room you put the sub in, and your expectations concerning extension. The Plus can be out in 16 Hz mode which has extension down to about 15 Hz, whereas the NSD has a fixed 20 Hz tuning.
post #12441 of 15704
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Originally Posted by Midav View Post

Sorry for the newbie question.


Speaking of frequency ranges and compatibility, wouldn't a SVS PB12-PLUS be an overkill when used in a team with Monitor Audio Bronze BX speakers (2xBX-6, 2xBX-1 and BX center)?
I originally planned to get a new PB-12NCD, but accidentally found this PB12-PLUS used for sale. Any thoughts?

A good subwoofer can / will make speakers sing with joy, even cheep HTiB speakers which yours aren't.
After looking at your speakers, you may want to set the XO at 90Hz or 100Hz based on your center channel specs and SVS's Merlin tool which recommends a XO 30db higher than your speaker.
Edited by hyghwayman - 12/26/13 at 7:00am
post #12442 of 15704
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

After looking at your speakers, you may want to set the XO at 90Hz or 100Hz based on your center channel specs...

What about localization issues for >80Hz content?
post #12443 of 15704
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

What about localization issues for >80Hz content?

Any time "sub" is mentioned, remember to interpret it as "sub in a specific environment".

Localisation is a matter of degree, with the THX standard 80Hz being based on human capability and (old) speaker performance in theaters. Let your ears* be the judge and let your sub handle the frequencies which it is more capable of handling than your other speakers. Note that this works both ways from 80 Hz, as explained in Setting the Subwoofer / LFE Crossover for Best Performance by Gene DellaSala.

For an easy and practical test, turn off the other speakers while playing something bass-heavy, stand near your listening position and spin around until you don't know which way you're facing, then try to turn to face the sub. This assumes that your sub is not near field, i.e. too close to your listening position to provide properly distributed sound.

Whatever the result, get more subs.

*For a good concise description of how we hear low frequencies and a test for localisation of bass from your left and right speakers, see "Low Frequency Sound Localization Test" and to give an idea how complex hearing localisation is, see e.g. What Audio Engineers Should Know About Human Sound Perception.
post #12444 of 15704
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

What about localization issues for >80Hz content?
In my room with my speakers and sub placement w/ a 100Hz XO setting, localization has not been an issue for me or other forum contributors with similar set-ups that moved up to 100HZ but then there are others who stated there was issues eek.gif, so irdk rolleyes.gif
post #12445 of 15704
Thanks AJCxZ0. The article you linked to, for my understanding, didn't answer or prove any content as in my opinion, was more a generalization. I don't study this stuff as a scholar but instead, pay attention at the consumer level and go from there.

If the rulebook says </= 80Hz, then I set things at </= 80Hz. In doing it this way, I'm assured, as best as possible, that I won't have to deal with localization issues.

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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

....so irdk rolleyes.gif

Nor I; hence why I ask.
post #12446 of 15704
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Thanks AJCxZ0. The article you linked to, for my understanding, didn't answer or prove any content as in my opinion, was more a generalization. I don't study this stuff as a scholar but instead, pay attention at the consumer level and go from there.

If the rulebook says </= 80Hz, then I set things at </= 80Hz. In doing it this way, I'm assured, as best as possible, that I won't have to deal with localization issues.
Nor I; hence why I ask.
Always follow the rules do ya rolleyes.gif BeeMan I'm just tongue.gif you wink.gif
And what I'm trying to say is you will never know w/o trying, different settings I mean.
I'm supper happy I tried and I believe AJC is too.
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

@AJC nice post with those links, well done
post #12447 of 15704
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

Always follow the rules do ya rolleyes.gif BeeMan I'm just tongue.gif you wink.gif

As a consumer, I read up on the matter and it convinced me, the </= 80Hz rule has a lot of merit. One never knows how good someone's ears are at localization that comes in and watches a movie. I've also graphed out, 40Hz, 60Hz, 80Hz, 100Hz and 120Hz to find out which one best works with the acoustics of our room so I've looked at it from the basic consumer-scholarly reading level, the empirical level and I've considered other people's various abilities and no matter which door I opened, there was a short little clown, holding a sign which read: "You Lose."

(I hate that stupid little clown)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/26/13 at 11:40am
post #12448 of 15704
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(I hate that stupid little clown)

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Thank you!
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post #12450 of 15704
When does the 45 day trial begin, the day you place the order, or the day the product arrives at your house?


And are there any owners of their Soundpath cables? What do you think about them?
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