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post #12901 of 15620
Well, I recently had to move my setup into a spare room. Pb-1000 with b and w m1 SATs all crossed over at 100hz. Anyway, the pb1000 was just too big, so I had to look for a smaller sub. Perfect timing because I just got the email for the 2000 line. I was able to take advantage of the upgrade policy and return customer discount to upgrade to the sb 2000. The sb 2000 is actually tested to have the same 19hz extension as the pb1000! This seems to be too good to be true. Do you guys think the sb will really be able to match the deep extension of the bigger, ported pb?
post #12902 of 15620
Here's hoping they put out a PC2000 in the next 8-12 months, so I can upgrade my PC12 NSD's that I recently bought! ( I love my PC12's, and find nothing lacking - but hey! )
post #12903 of 15620
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Originally Posted by pmanyon View Post

Well, I recently had to move my setup into a spare room. Pb-1000 with b and w m1 SATs all crossed over at 100hz. Anyway, the pb1000 was just too big, so I had to look for a smaller sub. Perfect timing because I just got the email for the 2000 line. I was able to take advantage of the upgrade policy and return customer discount to upgrade to the sb 2000. The sb 2000 is actually tested to have the same 19hz extension as the pb1000! This seems to be too good to be true. Do you guys think the sb will really be able to match the deep extension of the bigger, ported pb?

There will be some earlier falloff like the PB12-plus has when moving from 20Hz tuning to 16Hz tuning. However, because the rolloff is shallower it has deeper extension, again, much like the PB12-plus when changing its tuning.

However, the PB1000 likely has significantly more max output than the SB2000.
post #12904 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Teremei View Post

Sounds like I am going to have to try out the Plus. As I want a sub that does the deep clean bass but provides that tactile "punch" in the mid range without all the boomyness of lower priced subs. The NSD is not doing it for me, alone. However when hooked up with a cheap BIC right behind me I get it. I just thought one expensive sub would be better in every way shape and form over 2 lesser subs. Maybe I will have to try the Plus alone to see if it can pass the test.
Can you put the nsd right behind you? It will be hard to top that sub right next to you. I would keep the bic next to you and run the nsd upfrount and see how that works
post #12905 of 15620
I was thinking could the chuffing be more so in the 16hz settings? I run all my subs at 20. Maybe that's why I have not heard it? With all the ports open I get less air coming out of them? Vs only having two open
post #12906 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Teremei View Post

Sounds like I am going to have to try out the Plus. As I want a sub that does the deep clean bass but provides that tactile "punch" in the mid range without all the boomyness of lower priced subs. The NSD is not doing it for me, alone. However when hooked up with a cheap BIC right behind me I get it. I just thought one expensive sub would be better in every way shape and form over 2 lesser subs. Maybe I will have to try the Plus alone to see if it can pass the test.
Hmm go figure lol. I'm not gonna say I told you so...smile.gif
post #12907 of 15620

Just bought the new PB-2000, going to get it next week. My first SVS sub, after reading all the good things people say about SVS...man, feeling like a little boy waiting for christmas! :D I hope it's way better than my last sub(Chorus Vertigo XLS) and finally going to get that wow feeling.

post #12908 of 15620
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Originally Posted by lindino08 View Post

I agree. I love the charcoal finish on my NSD. Not to sure how the Oak look is modern. What is your experience with your dual subs, have you always had dual or did you upgrade from a single. I currently have one NSD and want to eventually go dual. Just purchased the PB-2000 this morning and just made the upgrade date. I am excited to test duals out for a bit, kinds nervous that I will fall in love and drop more money than I should/want.

Always had dual subs. Bought them to evenly pressurize the room with open floor plan. When only one sub is operating, the room does not evenly pressurize. Two subs are noticeably better in my situation. If my room were sealed, then I might not need or want both subs. Thankful to have two in my case.

Congrats on your recent purchase... living dangerously without the benefit of independent reviews on this new series, but perhaps not too perilous given SVS' good reputation. Yeah, living on the edge!!
post #12909 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

Just tried my Plus in sealed mode.

(...)

Wholly crap! That was the most pressurized the room has ever been. Felt like I was under 10 feet of water. And NO port chuffing! Awesome.

I'm going to leave it in sealed mode for the foreseeable future and run through some of my bass movie scenes.

Well that's encouraging... but are you sure it's not just a case of "should recalibrate because I'm now running 6 dB hotter"? Do you have measurement capabilities?

As said before, I hope to be able to run a test and before / after REW measurements, but I really don't know when I'll be able to do that.

... And what about sub-20 Hz content? Such as the Server Room scene?
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

I was thinking could the chuffing be more so in the 16hz settings? I run all my subs at 20. Maybe that's why I have not heard it? With all the ports open I get less air coming out of them? Vs only having two open

Absolutely! Running in 16 Hz tuning sure will lower the threshold for chuffing. But, it makes sub-20 Hz content available. So it's a trade-off. That being said I haven't tried 20 Hz tuning either biggrin.gif
post #12910 of 15620
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Originally Posted by underdogftw View Post

Just bought the new PB-2000,...

Congrats....as you posted, now the waiting begins and welcome to AVS.

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post #12911 of 15620
Has anyone anyone ever compared output and sound quality of a Plus/2 to a Ultra 13? I've had a Plus/2 for years and love it and 90% of the time I'm completely satisfied, but there are a few scenes from movies that I can bottom it out in that I wish I had a little more. I'm wondering if the Ultra 13 is more capable, and if not what recommendations do you guys have as far as a potential upgrade in the future?
post #12912 of 15620
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post



... And what about sub-20 Hz content? Such as the Server Room scene?

Not sure what frequencies that youtube video test has, but I'm pretty sure it has content significantly below 20hz. I was feeling a lot of pressure in my ears as well as pulsations in the furniture and ceiling (I was trying to keep one of the can lights from rattling).

I ran a frequency video that went 1hz, 5hz, 10hz, 15hz, 20hz etc..... I had output at 15hz for sure, I didn't have the volume up very high as I didn't know what to expect from the video.

I will try to get to WOTW pod scene tomorrow. I think that has content to below 10hz IIRC. If I have time I'll run it in 16hz mode and sealed to see which one does better.
post #12913 of 15620
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Originally Posted by BrutalBodyShots View Post

Has anyone anyone ever compared output and sound quality of a Plus/2 to a Ultra 13? I've had a Plus/2 for years and love it and 90% of the time I'm completely satisfied, but there are a few scenes from movies that I can bottom it out in that I wish I had a little more. I'm wondering if the Ultra 13 is more capable, and if not what recommendations do you guys have as far as a potential upgrade in the future?

I wonder... I think the Plus/2 has a 900W RMS amp? And the dual 12" drivers configuration probably makes the sub more efficient than the single 13" driver, with more area to boot. I'm not sure but it should be pretty close. If you have the time, you could compare Ilkka's measurements of the Plus/2 here to the Ultra's measurement by Josh Ricci at Data-Bass.com. I think they're directly comparable for the 20 Hz tune.

Unless the measurements are not done at the same distance, it would appear that the Ultra has a good 8-10 dB advantage over the Plus/2 though. Would make sense since there was also the Ultra/2 model that had even more output, and I'm not aware that SVS ever *reduced* performance on their flagship model biggrin.gif

But you really should just ask SVS themselves!
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

Not sure what frequencies that youtube video test has, but I'm pretty sure it has content significantly below 20hz. I was feeling a lot of pressure in my ears as well as pulsations in the furniture and ceiling (I was trying to keep one of the can lights from rattling).

I ran a frequency video that went 1hz, 5hz, 10hz, 15hz, 20hz etc..... I had output at 15hz for sure, I didn't have the volume up very high as I didn't know what to expect from the video.

I will try to get to WOTW pod scene tomorrow. I think that has content to below 10hz IIRC. If I have time I'll run it in 16hz mode and sealed to see which one does better.

Well keep us posted! BTW to perceive sub-20 Hz content, you *have* to raise the volume quite a bit. For example, playing a 18 Hz tone and slowly raising the volume, the plates in the kitchen began rattling before I could perceive anything at the listening position :P
post #12914 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Sean Spamilton View Post

Here's hoping they put out a PC2000 in the next 8-12 months, so I can upgrade my PC12 NSD's that I recently bought! ( I love my PC12's, and find nothing lacking - but hey! )

I really wish they did, I'm not expecting it though. Which is why I'm torturing myself over keeping the pretty NSD cylinder or sending it back for a less pretty but more impactful box.
post #12915 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

I was thinking could the chuffing be more so in the 16hz settings? I run all my subs at 20. Maybe that's why I have not heard it? With all the ports open I get less air coming out of them? Vs only having two open

That might be a possibility. I will check that out with mine.
post #12916 of 15620
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Originally Posted by BrutalBodyShots View Post

Has anyone anyone ever compared output and sound quality of a Plus/2 to a Ultra 13? I've had a Plus/2 for years and love it and 90% of the time I'm completely satisfied, but there are a few scenes from movies that I can bottom it out in that I wish I had a little more. I'm wondering if the Ultra 13 is more capable, and if not what recommendations do you guys have as far as a potential upgrade in the future?

I have been researching this as well. According to SVS, the PB12-Plus is a little brother to the PB13-Ultra. They are very similar with the PB12-Plus having about 60% of the output of the PB13-Ultra. That is how they explained it to me. 

post #12917 of 15620
So I was half thinking of getting a PB2000 and selling my PB1000 (which I like, BTW, just trying to think of ways to tick off the girlfriend, lol). But then I got to thinking, why not both (speaking of ticking off the girlfriend...)? Maybe it was discussed in the flurry of posts about these new subs, but is there any reason why running a dual setup of a PB1000 and PB2000 wouldn't be a good thing?

Ultimately, I'd ask the advice of SVS before buying--I'm just doing a little mental exercise for now. Both subs are very flat in their response up to my crossover frequency, differing really only in the deeper extension of the PB2000 and in it's higher output capability. It seems like this might be an OK combination, but I don't want the bass to get muddled or flabby. Could I set the PB1000 volume a bit lower to maintain about the same headroom as the PB2000? Or do you really need two identical subs (although, as I said, I think these are close) putting out the same SPL in a dual setup? Anyone care to speculate?
post #12918 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post

I have been researching this as well. According to SVS, the PB12-Plus is a little brother to the PB13-Ultra. They are very similar with the PB12-Plus having about 60% of the output of the PB13-Ultra. That is how they explained it to me. 

BrutalBodyShots has an older PB12-Plus/2, which is a box sub with dual down-firing 12" drivers and a 900W BASH amp, not the current PB12-Plus. I think the question is, how the Plus/2 compares to the current PB13-Ultra.
post #12919 of 15620
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post


BrutalBodyShots has an older PB12-Plus/2, which is a box sub with dual down-firing 12" drivers and a 900W BASH amp, not the current PB12-Plus. I think the question is, how the Plus/2 compares to the current PB13-Ultra.

Ooops. Sorry.... Hopefully that information will still be valuable to someone!

post #12920 of 15620
If the difference would only be minor I wouldn't upgrade from the Plus/2 to the Ultra 13. I've heard an Ultra/2 (the model above the Plus/2 from 6-7 years ago) and honestly I couldn't even tell a difference between the two, both tuned to 20hz. Granted they were in different houses with different living rooms which I'm sure plays a factor.

Perhaps rather than getting rid of the Plus/2 I should consider adding something in addition to it? As we all know the Plus/2 is already a monster, so adding a greater sub woofer footprint to my living room certainly wouldn't be ideal... but it IS doable as I have plenty of space.
post #12921 of 15620
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Originally Posted by BrutalBodyShots View Post

If the difference would only be minor I wouldn't upgrade from the Plus/2 to the Ultra 13. I've heard an Ultra/2 (the model above the Plus/2 from 6-7 years ago) and honestly I couldn't even tell a difference between the two, both tuned to 20hz. Granted they were in different houses with different living rooms which I'm sure plays a factor.

Perhaps rather than getting rid of the Plus/2 I should consider adding something in addition to it? As we all know the Plus/2 is already a monster, so adding a greater sub woofer footprint to my living room certainly wouldn't be ideal... but it IS doable as I have plenty of space.
You keep saying Plus/2. Do you mean version 2 or dual Pluses?
post #12922 of 15620
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You keep saying Plus/2. Do you mean version 2 or dual Pluses?
Google is your friend: svs plus/2

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post #12923 of 15620
The model with two 12" drivers... PB12 Plus/2.
post #12924 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Can you put the nsd right behind you? It will be hard to top that sub right next to you. I would keep the bic next to you and run the nsd upfrount and see how that works

I actually have the RW12 behind me and NSD up front opposite corner. This is how I had my previous set up with the more powerful one up front. I think the BIC is a bit lacking and the RW12d is a bit more capable and I think it makes a better dual with the NSD. So far really enjoying it. The NSD is smooth and low and the RW12d gives me that extra gut punch I was looking for. Haven't tested it enough yet but so far initial impressions are keep the NSD and RW12d. And at some point replace the RW12d with another SVS down the road. I really like dual systems. Especially in my living room with the open left and knick nack counter "half" wall.

Loving dual systems is what lead me to not open the Plus because having to buy an equivalently powered sub to dual with the Plus down the road is just a tad more than I want to invest. And my current set up already slams me pretty hard. I have to say, with the NSD I felt a powerful deep impact I had never felt during the Tron Legacy "warp laser" shot. And that was with it running on it's own. Wanna try it again with the RW12d helping it.
post #12925 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

I was thinking could the chuffing be more so in the 16hz settings? I run all my subs at 20. Maybe that's why I have not heard it? With all the ports open I get less air coming out of them? Vs only having two open

I just checked mine set to 20Hz tune and there was no chuffing. With 3 ports open, it would allow more air to pass through the ports.

Oh, yeah...Server Scene! biggrin.gif
post #12926 of 15620
Cool thanks for checking. I always liked it at 20 so never felt the need to dial in 16. I have messed around with it before. But never really gave 16 a good chance. I guess I should try it for a month and then see how I like it going back to 20 (better or worse)
post #12927 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Cool thanks for checking. I always liked it at 20 so never felt the need to dial in 16. I have messed around with it before. But never really gave 16 a good chance. I guess I should try it for a month and then see how I like it going back to 20 (better or worse)

I started out at 20Hz. Then I got that hair and I tuned it to 16Hz. Might keep it at 20Hz for a while. It does provide for max output.
post #12928 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I just checked mine set to 20Hz tune and there was no chuffing. With 3 ports open, it would allow more air to pass through the ports.

Oh, yeah...Server Scene! biggrin.gif

I ordered that movie and should have it tomorrow. Cant wait to try it out lol
post #12929 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I just checked mine set to 20Hz tune and there was no chuffing. With 3 ports open, it would allow more air to pass through the ports.

Oh, yeah...Server Scene! biggrin.gif

Hi Mongo,

What are your findings as to the ULF present in that scene? Does it now sound truncated (how much "impact" is lost)?
post #12930 of 15620
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

I ordered that movie and should have it tomorrow. Cant wait to try it out lol

Just make sure to wear a seatbelt when the sever scene comes up. It'll blow you off the couch! tongue.gif
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