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post #13081 of 15628
What happened to the sb12's? The SB 1000 and 2000 look cheaper.. So the only way to get a nice gloss sub is PB12 plus or PB 13 ultra?
post #13082 of 15628
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

What happened to the sb12's? The SB 1000 and 2000 look cheaper.. So the only way to get a nice gloss sub is PB12 plus or PB 13 ultra?

Read my recent posts for info on this
post #13083 of 15628

Some of us like cheaper.

;)

But the "nicer" finish as an option is a great business move.

post #13084 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Sdiver2489 View Post

Read my recent posts for info on this

I read it but am not sure what you mean. Could you clarify?

Thanks
post #13085 of 15628
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Originally Posted by eljr View Post

I read it but am not sure what you mean. Could you clarify?

Thanks

It means "The president of SVS has informed me that they will be selling a piano black SB-2000 shortly."

Not sure what's difficult about that. Perhaps you could clarify what points you would like more detail on.
Edited by Sdiver2489 - 1/16/14 at 4:14pm
post #13086 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Sdiver2489 View Post

It means "The president of SVS has informed me that they will be selling a piano black SB-2000 shortly."

Not sure what's difficult about that. Perhaps you could clarify what points you would like more detail on.

WTH - so the rest of us who want a P(iano) B(lack) PB are screwed? That sucks.
post #13087 of 15628
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Originally Posted by dsg2003gt View Post

WTH - so the rest of us who want a P(iano) B(lack) PB are screwed? That sucks.

When has the PB12 non plus/Ultra ever been available in piano black?
post #13088 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Sdiver2489 View Post

It means "The president of SVS has informed me that they will be selling a piano black SB-2000 shortly."

Not sure what's difficult about that. Perhaps you could clarify what points you would like more detail on.

I did not see this quote even though I had scrolled back. I appreciate the info but honestly I don't know what was so difficult about just repeating it without the attitude.
post #13089 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

When has the PB12 non plus/Ultra ever been available in piano black?

never - but since they will be making a SB in PB, why cant the PB get in on the PB love too?
post #13090 of 15628
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Originally Posted by eljr View Post

I did not see this quote even though I had scrolled back. I appreciate the info but honestly I don't know what was so difficult about just repeating it without the attitude.

No offense meant...was legitimately confused with what I might have misstated of been misunderstood on. My apologies if I came off harshly!
post #13091 of 15628
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Originally Posted by dsg2003gt View Post

never - but since they will be making a SB in PB, why cant the PB get in on the PB love too?

I think its cost due to the larger cabinet
post #13092 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Sdiver2489 View Post

I think its cost due to the larger cabinet

Even if it did cost more, I'd think SVS would offer it and pass the price on to the consumer.
post #13093 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Even if it did cost more, I'd think SVS would offer it and pass the price on to the consumer.

Perhaps it has to do with a combination of cost and quantity. If they offer a gloss version then they would lose quantity on the black oak and might have to increase both prices.
post #13094 of 15628
So whats the difference between the 2000 and pb12 nds?
post #13095 of 15628
Is the black oak veneer wood or vinyl? The ultra is wood is it the same on the .000
post #13096 of 15628
vinyl
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SB-2000
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I'm in the market for a new sub and it's now narrowed down to the new SB or PB2000. Despite my research thus far however, I'm having a little trouble coming to a decision between the two. Getting 2 of each is not an option for me.

My room is a rather difficult one perhaps. It is 15x15 with 18 foot ceilings and it opens up into the kitchen and also the large hall/foyer.

It will be used 60/40 for home theater/music.

Now I'm not the type of guy that needs or wants sheer output or objects rattling off shelves. I would rarely set volume at reference levels and certainly not when my wife is home smile.gif

Good performance at lower volumes would be something I can use.

I do enjoy defined low extension and am particularly bothered by 'boomy' subs. So a tight, 'musical' sub, whatever that really means, is a must.

Would you think the SB2000 is sufficient for my requirements? Or should I go for the PB?

As far as WAF is concerned, the SB can be tucked away in a corner, essentially out of sight given my present setup, whereas the PB would have to be visible at the other corner of the room. Not a primary consideration but still a factor.

Insights would be welcomed and appreciated.
post #13099 of 15628
15 x 15 x 18 AND opening up to the rest of the house? I would do the PB2000 unless you want to do all your listening in the near-field.
post #13100 of 15628
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Originally Posted by fuzzione View Post

I'm in the market for a new sub and it's now narrowed down to the new SB or PB2000. Despite my research thus far however, I'm having a little trouble coming to a decision between the two. Getting 2 of each is not an option for me.

My room is a rather difficult one perhaps. It is 15x15 with 18 foot ceilings and it opens up into the kitchen and also the large hall/foyer.

It will be used 60/40 for home theater/music.

Now I'm not the type of guy that needs or wants sheer output or objects rattling off shelves. I would rarely set volume at reference levels and certainly not when my wife is home smile.gif

Good performance at lower volumes would be something I can use.

I do enjoy defined low extension and am particularly bothered by 'boomy' subs. So a tight, 'musical' sub, whatever that really means, is a must.

Would you think the SB2000 is sufficient for my requirements? Or should I go for the PB?

As far as WAF is concerned, the SB can be tucked away in a corner, essentially out of sight given my present setup, whereas the PB would have to be visible at the other corner of the room. Not a primary consideration but still a factor.

Insights would be welcomed and appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Sdiver2489 View Post

15 x 15 x 18 AND opening up to the rest of the house? I would do the PB2000 unless you want to do all your listening in the near-field.

Agree with sdiver. 4,050+ cubic feet is too much volume for a small sealed sub or two to fill. Even at below reference volumes you will be looking at much less output in the lower octaves with the sealed.
post #13101 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

So whats the difference between the 2000 and pb12 nds?

The amp is new and beefier at 500W RMS (vs 400 for the NSD). Not sure if the driver is new. Anyway you can probably count on +3 dB max output in the 20-80 Hz range. The finish is also changed evidently. Matte charcoal vinyl has been replaced by black oak-patterned vinyl. Not sure but I think the grille has undergone some tweaks too.
post #13102 of 15628
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

The amp is new and beefier at 500W RMS (vs 400 for the NSD). Not sure if the driver is new. Anyway you can probably count on +3 dB max output in the 20-80 Hz range. The finish is also changed evidently. Matte charcoal vinyl has been replaced by black oak-patterned vinyl. Not sure but I think the grille has undergone some tweaks too.

I think they're saying the driver is newly designed as well.
post #13103 of 15628
Ad said new driver.
post #13104 of 15628

Well thanks to you guys, I have officially blown my subwoofer budget. I bought my house with intention of getting a simple sound bar, than a deal on Polk M60s came on newegg and decided to do that, before they even arrived I cancelled the order and bought Polk RTiA5s, CSiA6, and FXiA6 which will all be powered by a Pioneer Elite SC-63. Completely blowing my old budget out of the water I wanted to get a sub under $200 to at least easy the pain but instead I read that two subs are better so bought two Polk PSW505s. Well after reading up a little more now those are going back and I am now ordering two PB1000s. Before I was no way in hell spending money on one PB1000, now I am buying two....this is worse than my modification of cars! But cheaper as modifications for a Dodge Viper make the PB1000s look like an oil change, so that is kind of nice! haha

 

The TV purchase was not any better, was looking for a cheap $1000 60 inch, ended up with a 65 inch Panasonic VT60... now I just need to finish the floors and move all this stuff in.

post #13105 of 15628
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Originally Posted by PolishDude View Post

Well thanks to you guys, I have officially blown my subwoofer budget. I bought my house with intention of getting a simple sound bar, than a deal on Polk M60s came on newegg and decided to do that, before they even arrived I cancelled the order and bought Polk RTiA5s, CSiA6, and FXiA6 which will all be powered by a Pioneer Elite SC-63. Completely blowing my old budget out of the water I wanted to get a sub under $200 to at least easy the pain but instead I read that two subs are better so bought two Polk PSW505s. Well after reading up a little more now those are going back and I am now ordering two PB1000s. Before I was no way in hell spending money on one PB1000, now I am buying two....this is worse than my modification of cars! But cheaper as modifications for a Dodge Viper make the PB1000s look like an oil change, so that is kind of nice! haha

The TV purchase was not any better, was looking for a cheap $1000 60 inch, ended up with a 65 inch Panasonic VT60... now I just need to finish the floors and move all this stuff in.

Welcome to AVS forums. Lol tongue.gif
post #13106 of 15628
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Originally Posted by Sean Spamilton View Post


Welcome to AVS forums. Lol tongue.gif

 

Good to be here, who needs money!

post #13107 of 15628

BTW, before I do make this purchase...what has more output

 

Dual PB1000 or a single PB12-NSD? are the Dual PB1000 worth an extra $250? Aesthetically I like the dual setup more but if I get more for less, than I won't mind.

post #13108 of 15628
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Originally Posted by PolishDude View Post

BTW, before I do make this purchase...what has more output

Dual PB1000 or a single PB12-NSD? are the Dual PB1000 worth an extra $250? Aesthetically I like the dual setup more but if I get more for less, than I won't mind.

I think in terms of output dual PB1000's are about the same as a single PB12-NSD. I think the NSD has about 3 dB on the 1000, and adding a second bridges that 3 dB gap. I'm not sure what the equivalence is in terms of impact--ability to pressurize the room and hit you in the chest. Maybe that's a question I have as well--will two 1000's have the same "hit you in the chest" factor as a single NSD?

All else being equal, duals have the advantage of evening out the bass, too. That might be worth the cost right there. I know I have some room modes. Of course, that comes at the expense of space and the WAF.
post #13109 of 15628
Svs says the dual 1000 will yield more output
post #13110 of 15628
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Originally Posted by PM-Performance View Post

Svs says the dual 1000 will yield more output

Ah, really? By how much, do you know? I'm guessing it must be in the 1-2 dB range. As I stated in my post, I was thinking it came out fairly close.
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