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New to SVS, but after spending a lot of time here and doing research, I've decided to pull the trigger on a SB13-Ultra. This will be a 2nd sub to go with an older 15" Velodyne. Need some advice on where to buy. Looks like everyone charges the same price similar to OPPO bluray players. Is it best to buy from SVS direct? Are there ever any sales or discounts? Thanks for your help.
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Originally Posted by promike View Post

New to SVS, but after spending a lot of time here and doing research, I've decided to pull the trigger on a SB13-Ultra. This will be a 2nd sub to go with an older 15" Velodyne. Need some advice on where to buy. Looks like everyone charges the same price similar to OPPO bluray players. Is it best to buy from SVS direct? Are there ever any sales or discounts? Thanks for your help.

I bought mine directly from SVS. They have an Outlet page for deals.
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Would placing a PB1000 in a corner yield the same results of corner loading if there is a couch 24 inches away from the same corner? So once placed in the corner, there would only have 6 inches total in front and behind the sub.

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Originally Posted by Lecter83 View Post

Increasing power 100w in the same place with a displacement equal or similar to the NSD at most be 1 or 1.5 dB stronger. The redesign of XXLS driver is only to tolerate that extra margin of power, there is no mystery about it.

I still have not heard from SVS saying that is 2 or 3 dB. Or is Ed mullen mentioned something about it?

Yes, Ed told me about 2.5 dB increase...I ordered a PB2000 they day they put them up on the website..swapping my new pb12-nsd for it.  Also, there are other factors besides amplifier that affect maximum output, such as how they configure the limiter and such, which tends to be very conservative with svs at times. Perhaps they ramped this up a bit more as well.  Plenty of subs with 500w amps(or smaller) putting out quite a bit more from 30-80 than the pb12-nsd, such as the outlaw lfm1-ex and hsu vtf3-mk4.  So adding 2-3 dB does not seem to defy the laws of physics that I can tell.

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Any word on shipping by SVS. I'm looking forward to receiving my PB-2000 soon. Haven't had a sub at all for over a week. Not the same without one...
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Anybody with a plus (pb or pc) with current driver & sledge thinking about upgrading to an ultra and want to give me a good deal on their "old" sub? ;-)

Or.... anyone local in the Seattle/Tacoma area with any other interesting SVS stuff on the block?
Edited by jephdood - 1/19/14 at 11:36pm
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I have a 2009 PC12 + in my 19' by 13' room, with openings into the hallway and dining room. I keep bouncing the idea around to plug one of the ports and see what happens. I'm worried about the overall drop in output. Has anyone done this with this particular sub? And was the drop in output more noticeable than the extra extension? I just want to be armed with a little knowledge before I mess with all my settings.
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Originally Posted by BNestico View Post

I have a 2009 PC12 + in my 19' by 13' room, with openings into the hallway and dining room. I keep bouncing the idea around to plug one of the ports and see what happens. I'm worried about the overall drop in output. Has anyone done this with this particular sub? And was the drop in output more noticeable than the extra extension? I just want to be armed with a little knowledge before I mess with all my settings.

Changing the tune is easy to do and easy to revert. Plug the port, change the amp setting, and that's it. You may want to adjust the AVR trim level as your sub may have a bit lower output at the same gain setting after the tune change; or if you want to do things by the book, re-run Audyssey or your AVR's calibration routine afterward, but it shouldn't change much.

You'll lose a few (2-3) dB max output at 20 Hz but you'll gain around 6-7 dB max output at 16 Hz. If you don't like it, as mentioned, it's really easy to revert. Test the results with "Bass, I Love You", Pulse's Server Room scene and Underworld: Awakening Super Lycan introduction scene smile.gif
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Would the ring drop scene in the fellowship work as well?
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So according to the SVS website the PB-2000 says --> "Product in stock. Ship in 24 hours". So whoever ordered one should expect a tracking # soon I hope. I am anxiously awaiting mine. I ordered mine minutes after receiving the email so I would think I would be one of the first sent out (If that is how it works smile.gif ).

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-2000#.Ut1SqxAo6M8
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I have two 12+'s and my room is 13.3 x16.4 with 8 ft ceiling. With that said I just ran Audyssey last nite and my AVR level matched my subs. I had to set volume on front right sub at -19 and rear left sub at -17, avr set trims at -3.5 and -2.5. This is with a 16 Hz tune on both. So I wouldn't worry too much about not having enough output in dBs. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by BNestico View Post

Would the ring drop scene in the fellowship work as well?

Perhaps, I'm not sure of the frequency contents of that scene. Hmmm looking around it looks like it's a frequency sweep that only goes down to 50 Hz or so smile.gif

The "second grenade" in World War Z is a similar sweep that reaches below 15 Hz. In Pulse, it's just an alternating / pulsating sweep that dig down below 15 Hz and keep on for a few minutes. In U:A, the super lycan footsteps are more subtle use of ULF. Sweeps are great to illustrate capability but in the end they're a bit silly tongue.gif
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PB2000 arrived today. Im in love <3 Simply great in every area, no need for words, gotta go back to enjoy :)

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Originally Posted by underdogftw View Post

PB2000 arrived today. Im in love <3 Simply great in every area, no need for words, gotta go back to enjoy smile.gif

nice! post some pictures for those of us that haven't pulled the trigger yet smile.gif
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Originally Posted by underdogftw View Post

PB2000 arrived today. Im in love <3 Simply great in every area, no need for words, gotta go back to enjoy smile.gif

Did you order direct from SVS?

I ordered mine the first day you could and it is still "pending". I may have to give them a call to see whats up. I know I probably should be more patient but its too hard.
post #13216 of 15634
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Originally Posted by lindino08 View Post

Did you order direct from SVS?

I ordered mine the first day you could and it is still "pending". I may have to give them a call to see whats up. I know I probably should be more patient but its too hard.

I ordered the SB-2000 the first day it was available so maybe mine will come today?

Shouldn't they notify you when it ships though?
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post


Perhaps, I'm not sure of the frequency contents of that scene. Hmmm looking around it looks like it's a frequency sweep that only goes down to 50 Hz or so smile.gif

The "second grenade" in World War Z is a similar sweep that reaches below 15 Hz. In Pulse, it's just an alternating / pulsating sweep that dig down below 15 Hz and keep on for a few minutes. In U:A, the super lycan footsteps are more subtle use of ULF. Sweeps are great to illustrate capability but in the end they're a bit silly tongue.gif

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475769/demonstration-blu-ray-discs-independently-authored

 

The two by Jindrak are bass-specific, but they're all fun.

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I ordered it from Lsound.eu at 8.1, they sipped it right away in the next day when they shipped all pre orders. Weird if the U.S shipments are still pending and EU shipments are delivered, all subs comes originally from U.S, right?

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Originally Posted by underdogftw View Post

I ordered it from Lsound.eu at 8.1, they sipped it right away in the next day when they shipped all pre orders. Weird if the U.S shipments are still pending and EU shipments are delivered, all subs comes originally from U.S, right?

Yea, not sure how it works, My guess would be their first batch made they sent over seas because of all the delays / customs and that junk. I just talked to SVS and they said they start shipping in the U.S. today.
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Years ago I bought a HTIB. The Mirage sub it came with chugged along in our old house and provided us many years of enjoyment.



Fast forward a few years to a bigger house. One day I start surfing the avsforum and see people talking about mutliple subwoofers. Initially I start thinking...that is crazy...wife would never go for it.
The more i read the more intrigued I become. I stop in a local audio store and in talking to the salesman discover he has 4 subs in his setup.
Meanwhile...the wife has wandered into the demo theater....and that really got her interested in upgrading our old sub.

More reading, calls to SVS...I speak with Ed a few times. He suggests dual subs. Yeah I wish...she will never go for it.....but she does eek.gif

We have had the subs a little over a month now. Initial impressions? Jaw-dropping...WOW...giggling like a little kid...holy crap did you feel that? I kept waiting for the neighbors to come over complaining or the cops to show up.
We have watched a ton of movies over the last few weeks and are really happy with the PB12NSDs.



Yes I did mention the new 2000 series subs to the better half a few days ago, she looked at me like I had 3 heads. The voice of reason prevails...plus I still need to upgrade the surrounds, maybe a new amp...oh that Oppo 103 looks interesting...it never ends right?

Maybe I should delete my account now....it will be cheaper in the long run biggrin.gif
Edited by zoldar - 1/20/14 at 10:33am
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It might be cheaper, but just think of all the fun you'll miss out on! wink.gif

Great story, BTW. smile.gif
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^^ Is that one of your surround sound speakers next to your new sub? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475769/demonstration-blu-ray-discs-independently-authored

The two by Jindrak are bass-specific, but they're all fun.

Superleo's and Jindrak's compilations are highly recommended indeed. It would be awesome if SVS could somehow get the rights to a few scenes and put a demo disc together that they could ship with their subs biggrin.gif

The ring drop is there somewhere (first of Jindrak's disc I think; the second one has the destruction of Mt Doom on it). I remember the ring drop scene but couldn't tell how low it gets. To be honest it never impressed me that much compared to some of the other scenes. As Ed said in to the thread I linked to, I think that sweep stopped at 50 Hz so that HTiB owners could get the full experience rolleyes.gif
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The actuall dropping if the ring goes quite low if I remember correctly. Like 10hz or so
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

The actuall dropping if the ring goes quite low if I remember correctly. Like 10hz or so

Ah! I looked for a waterfall graph at on the New Master List thread but didn't found anything in a quick search.

Are you making a distinction between the ring dropping and the blast afterward? I think 50 Hz refers to the blast, but I admit I don't perceive much when the ring actually drops, even at reference levels. Is the content then all below 20 Hz?

EDIT: I actually found out the original thread on HTF, and the post linked to is in fact by Tom Vodhanel (from SVS and now PSA fame). Yeah looks like there is 10 Hz content when the ring hits the ground; but that doesn't register at all on my dual Plus in 16 Hz tune.

EDIT 2: In the AVS thread I link, Ed Mullen says the ring drop has lots of acoustic energy right at 24 Hz too. Not sure what's wrong with my subs tongue.gif
Edited by neutro - 1/20/14 at 11:04am
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Hey Neutro. Have you ever down the ReW sweeps? Do you have any graphs? (I actually forget :P)
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Hey Neutro. Have you ever down the ReW sweeps? Do you have any graphs? (I actually forget :P)

Yes I've done them but haven't posted them yet biggrin.gif I keep thinking I can tweak things further lol. The most worrying are big dips that may be caused by crossover issues. But they are mic position dependent, and mostly present using the right channel (I get almost none using the center channel). Not sure of the real impact of those; I haven't attempted distance tweaks yet. I also have a few 3 dB dips that persist but this may be due to Audyssey averaging 8 positions -- it's easy to tweak for a single location but that's not necessarily the best idea!

Anyway if you want to see extension, well, I get max output at 17 Hz (close to tuning) and it goes down fast below. I'm 3 dB down from the mains at about 15 Hz and at 13 Hz the protection filter kicks in, and the slope is even harsher. So 15 Hz extension it is. But that's a strong 15 Hz biggrin.gif as in, the front door of the house is clanging against its frame strong tongue.gif
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Any rumours on a new version of the SB Ultra 13? Don't want to order it at full price, then new model comes out, better and old model is discounted.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Yes I've done them but haven't posted them yet biggrin.gif I keep thinking I can tweak things further lol. The most worrying are big dips that may be caused by crossover issues. But they are mic position dependent, and mostly present using the right channel (I get almost none using the center channel). Not sure of the real impact of those; I haven't attempted distance tweaks yet. I also have a few 3 dB dips that persist but this may be due to Audyssey averaging 8 positions -- it's easy to tweak for a single location but that's not necessarily the best idea!

Anyway if you want to see extension, well, I get max output at 17 Hz (close to tuning) and it goes down fast below. I'm 3 dB down from the mains at about 15 Hz and at 13 Hz the protection filter kicks in, and the slope is even harsher. So 15 Hz extension it is. But that's a strong 15 Hz biggrin.gif as in, the front door of the house is clanging against its frame strong tongue.gif

Neutro, I'm quoting you here to get your attention, but I have a slightly off-topic question. You list an unbalanced (if I go by the picture) 2x4 miniDSP in your gear list. Do you by any chance use it for sub EQ? One of your old comments from your profile I think mentions using a BFD for that, though.

I'm curious because I want to get a miniDSP to EQ my PB-1000, and choosing the correct one is tricky. I like the connections on the unbalanced 2x4, but my AVR sub out is rated 1V and I'm worried about over-driving the 0.9V input on the miniDSP Granted that may only happen at very high volumes, but I do like to run the sub hot and I'm also concerned about headroom. This has led me to think the balanced 2x4 is the way to go (1.8V RMS input with an unbalanced connection when the input is set to the 0.9V option). In any case, I was just wondering if by chance you have any thoughts on this. If you don't use your miniDSP in this way, no worries. I know there are more relevant forums to post this question to, but I'm not getting much for responses.
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neut> Are you making a distinction between the ring dropping and the blast afterward? I think 50 Hz refers to the blast, but I admit I don't perceive much when the ring actually drops, even at reference levels. Is the content then all below 20 Hz?

Interesting conversation. Your not saying you don’t feel anything when the ring actually hits the ground are you neut? I used to be in a room that dropped off around 23-25hz no mater what I threw at it and although the room I’m in now is much different gain wise (I most likely would thoroughly enjoy the Ultra in the sealed mode where is the past couldn't tolerate it) and felt the ring hit the ground no problemo. Maybe you're talking as the ring drops?
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