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post #1441 of 10845
5/9/07 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Have you tried small/80 for everything? How does that work?

I have and for Music there is not enough lows (FOR ME)
HT it is fine with this set up
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post #1442 of 10845
5/9/07 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by antman27 View Post

I have and for Music there is not enough lows (FOR ME)
HT it is fine with this set up

How did you determine the placement of your subwoofer? Did you place your subwoofer in a location with the flattest frequency response (i.e. the crawl test)?
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post #1443 of 10845
5/9/07 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by jhan1000 View Post

How did you determine the placement of your subwoofer? Did you place your subwoofer in a location with the flattest frequency response (i.e. the crawl test)?

Unfourtunaly room layout does not have any other choice for the sub
have a look at pix
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post #1444 of 10845
5/9/07 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

...Have any of you received your shipments faster than the maximum time window that BAX global gives you for economy shipping?...

I've ordered from SVS twice, and it's only taken two or three days to suburban Chicago. They used UPS ground, though. And this is kind of a hot spot for trucks.
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post #1445 of 10845
5/9/07 at 12:33pm
The big subs are shipped by forwarders, the contracted service is 5 day (business days) deferred and that's what is usually quoted. If it hits a hub early you should get notified for delivery within 24hours. Depending on where you live and what day it's shipped it can anywhere from 2-6 days (for remotes).
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post #1446 of 10845
5/9/07 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by antman27 View Post

Question 4 yas
I have a SB12+ and my room is on the long side -its 25 Ft long and 14Ft wide
When I calibrate the sub properly and listen to music at lower volume There is a lack of lows. They wake up when I twist the volume knob.
If I turn up the input of the sub then you can tell where it is coming from and does not dissiper like it should It does not blend good.
Is this just the nature of a smaller sub ? I also do not have a corner to place the sub so its on the front wall.
I may try the rear corner BUT is a rear corner placement OK to blend for Music ? I would think the lows behind you for not sound right for music .
If I upgraded to a PB12+ Or even a PB12+2 solve this problem OR would I be better off running 2 SB12+ in stereo up front ?
Thanks

Most music isn't isn't going to have much bass. So by increasing the gain you will be creating an artifact to your music. It isn't a bad thing necessarily, it just depends on what you like.

If you calibrate a corner placement it should sound the same as your current set up.

You have some options.

1. Crossover at a lower frequency and then increase the gain. You may get the integration and volume you want.

2. turn the calibration off for music. This will increase your room response, but you may not like the sound or integration.

3. Add a second sb12+. For music it makes sense to run dual subs get more even output throughout a room. Especially with a high crossover point.

Running stereo bass would be the best IMO for music, but you need the space to do it.

Changing to a pb12+/2 will give awesome headroom, but the added low end response will only be apparent for HT. Music doesn't often go below 30 Hz, unless you listen to orchestral pipe organ stuff. Therefore for music, a second SB12+ is preferable.

Also consider pulling your two main channels out from the wall as much as possible. You may get much better response from them.


I usually listen to 2 channel critically without my sub. My towers are flat to 30 Hz. But there isn't a lot of bass in the blues, jazz, folk, even rock music I listen to. For easy rock music listening (multitasking) I often use the sub with the calibration turned off. It is more boomy, but I don't mind for the multitasking times.

FWIW when I add the sub calibrated to my towers (and towers let to large, swapping to small) for music it really doesn't add much bass to the sound, showing me that the speakers are doing their job and that the source material isn't bass heavy. The perceived lack of bass is just that, a perception, and a personal preference.



kw........
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post #1447 of 10845
5/9/07 at 1:52pm
Well I couldn't wait anymore, and wanted to cash in on the Piano Black deal, so I pulled the trigger on a PB12-Plus, as my second sub.. will end up putting it in my bedroom of 1600 cu ft. when I finish that HT setup... but until then I will pair it with my Plus/2 in my great room.

Can't wait to see the two in the same room... hhehehe

thanks ED Mullen, and Erik for your advice, and help...

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the Plus/2 in the 20 Hz tune and the PB12-Plus in the native tune will pair up very well, having similar tune points and phase response. Calibrate the Plus about 3-4 dB lower than the Plus/2 and they should both reach their limits about the same time.
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post #1448 of 10845
5/9/07 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

So as i talked about before, I ordered the subwoofer on Monday. Erik assured me that it would ship Tuesday and it did. He told me that I should expect it by the end of this week, seeing as I live in Tennessee, which is only two states away from Ohio. I called BAX Global yesterday and they said that it would be at least 5 business days, so I should expect it next Tuesday. Have any of you received your shipments faster than the maximum time window that BAX global gives you for economy shipping? I'd love to play with it over the weekend, is there any chance it will get here by then?

I ordered my Plus/2 on 5/2, It shipped on 5/3, and arivved in PA.on 5/7. Not bad.
Bax gave me a delivery date of 5/11. Now Iam having fun setting it up amd I see another piano black B-Stock on their website. I dont know if the wife is into lugging another beast up 27 stairs. The only reason mine was B-Stock was that the base plate was flat black and not piano black.
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post #1449 of 10845
5/9/07 at 2:31pm
I saw that Piano Black Plus/2 as well, at a good discount, but I honestly couldn't justify that monster in my 1600^3 ft room... so I opted for the Plus... That alone will be more then enough... Should be awesome..
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post #1450 of 10845
5/9/07 at 2:43pm
so when BAX does deliver... is it to the doorstep? there are about 8 stairs from the grass to the landing in front of our front door. can i assume they will at least bring it up to the landing?
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post #1451 of 10845
5/9/07 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

so when BAX does deliver... is it to the doorstep? there are about 8 stairs from the grass to the landing in front of our front door. can i assume they will at least bring it up to the landing?

I can't answer that one .The driver set it in my garage. Iwould think if he has a hand truck ,whoever is there to sign for it could help him get it up the stairs or steps.
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post #1452 of 10845
5/9/07 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

so when BAX does deliver... is it to the doorstep? there are about 8 stairs from the grass to the landing in front of our front door. can i assume they will at least bring it up to the landing?

I find a $20 bill, goes along way with those drivers, and most will help ya lug it a bit to help ya out...

Some go straight to the a"I can't go into the house..." and they lose out on the $$

I have a sneaking suspision that a cool friend with news of a new toy would also likely be happy to help you, with beers in mind... and the thrill of a new audition...
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post #1453 of 10845
5/9/07 at 3:07pm
Depends on the driver, I asked and he helped me carry it in. On his way out I gave a $20 and a cold Coke.
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post #1454 of 10845
5/9/07 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

I saw that Piano Black Plus/2 as well, at a good discount, but I honestly couldn't justify that monster in my 1600^3 ft room... so I opted for the Plus... That alone will be more then enough... Should be awesome..


Man the Plus/2 would have been ROCKIN in that room.

Let us know what you think of the PLUS...
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post #1455 of 10845
5/9/07 at 3:36pm
For sure... If I really want a thrill, I can always drag that beast into my bedroom and see what happens... would make for a supercool nightstand...

I have to figure out what In-walls I am going to go with in my bedroom...
Im not going to load it up with speakers... I want a clean look, Im going to check out Bohlender-Graebener
But Im always up for suggestions... These are supposed be pretty nice, and I can get them at cost...
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post #1456 of 10845
5/9/07 at 4:45pm
i dont need them to carry it in, i just need them to get it to my doorstep. now i know its customary to tip drivers if they help you with it into the house. i dont need that, i just want to know at what point of the house are they supposed to deliver it by the charge that I paid. is i to the doorway? to the driveway? to the curb by the street?
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post #1457 of 10845
5/9/07 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by kwtoxman View Post

Most music isn't isn't going to have much bass. So by increasing the gain you will be creating an artifact to your music. It isn't a bad thing necessarily, it just depends on what you like.

If you calibrate a corner placement it should sound the same as your current set up.

You have some options.

1. Crossover at a lower frequency and then increase the gain. You may get the integration and volume you want.

2. turn the calibration off for music. This will increase your room response, but you may not like the sound or integration.

3. Add a second sb12+. For music it makes sense to run dual subs get more even output throughout a room. Especially with a high crossover point.

Running stereo bass would be the best IMO for music, but you need the space to do it.

Changing to a pb12+/2 will give awesome headroom, but the added low end response will only be apparent for HT. Music doesn't often go below 30 Hz, unless you listen to orchestral pipe organ stuff. Therefore for music, a second SB12+ is preferable.

Also consider pulling your two main channels out from the wall as much as possible. You may get much better response from them.


I usually listen to 2 channel critically without my sub. My towers are flat to 30 Hz. But there isn't a lot of bass in the blues, jazz, folk, even rock music I listen to. For easy rock music listening (multitasking) I often use the sub with the calibration turned off. It is more boomy, but I don't mind for the multitasking times.

FWIW when I add the sub calibrated to my towers (and towers let to large, swapping to small) for music it really doesn't add much bass to the sound, showing me that the speakers are doing their job and that the source material isn't bass heavy. The perceived lack of bass is just that, a perception, and a personal preference.



kw........

If I change crossover from 80 to 60 or even 40 that would mean less lows at the sub and mor at the mains IF the mains were set to small RIGHT ?
What do you mean turn off the calabration
for music ?
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post #1458 of 10845
5/9/07 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by antman27 View Post

If I change crossover from 80 to 60 or even 40 that would mean less lows at the sub and mor at the mains IF the mains were set to small RIGHT ?
What do you mean turn off the calabration
for music ?


Lowering the crossover on the sub means less high frequency bass by the sub. The low frequency bass does not change. Your AV receiver determines the crossover between the channels and the sub. You should find out what the crossover frequency of your AV receiver is if it lists it in the menu as large or small, and then always match it on your sub.

If you set the AV receiver crossover to small and it is 80 Hz, and then you set the sub crossover to 40 Hz, you won't have your speakers or your sub playing bass from 40-80Hz! In essence you will be missing all 40-80 Hz bass.

One of the neat things you can do with an SVS because of its options is set the sub crossover to disabled, and allow the receiver alone to handle the crossover duties.

Otherwise, set your mains to small, find out what that crossover frequency actually is and set the sub to the same. Eg, if it is 40 Hz for the AV receiver when set to small, set it to the same for the sub. You can also try it at the large setting and see what you think of the difference.



As for calibration I have an ART 351 EQ I use in a parametric manner in line with the sub output to get a flat response on the sub. And with this piece I can literally defeat it at the push of a button whereby it bypasses the unit. Having a dedicated parametric eq (art 351, BFD, SMS-1) is advantagous for trying this out. And they are superior to parametric eq options stock on the SVS.

Make sense?

kw.......
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post #1459 of 10845
5/9/07 at 7:34pm
I am using a denon 3805 AVR and have the the crossover disabled on the sub
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post #1460 of 10845
5/12/07 at 7:01am
My home theater KEF2000 sub just went belly up (buzzing) and I am considering getting a PB10-NSD. Overall I have been satisfied with the performance of the KEF sub (until it broke!). How will the PB10-NSD compare to it?
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post #1461 of 10845
5/12/07 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Trucapce View Post

My home theater KEF2000 sub just went belly up (buzzing) and I am considering getting a PB10-NSD. Overall I have been satisfied with the performance of the KEF sub (until it broke!). How will the PB10-NSD compare to it?

Here are the rated specs on the KEF PSW2000:

Design Bass reflex, downward firing
Drive units LF: 210 mm (8")
Frequency response at 15°
horizontally off axis ±3 dB 35 Hz - 150 Hz
LF Corner -6 dB 33 Hz
Amplifier requirements 250 W built in
Maximum output 106 dB
Weight 14 kg (30.9 lbs)
Dimensions (H x W x D) 14.5 x 12.6 x 12.6 in.

The PB10-NSD will have a flatter frequency response, an additional octave of deep extension (expect 18 Hz in-room), much lower distortion at deep bass frequencies, and will also play louder overall with superior output linearity across the pass band.
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post #1462 of 10845
5/12/07 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by Trucapce View Post

My home theater KEF2000 sub just went belly up (buzzing) and I am considering getting a PB10-NSD. Overall I have been satisfied with the performance of the KEF sub (until it broke!). How will the PB10-NSD compare to it?

If you have room for the PB10 I believe you will love this sub.
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post #1463 of 10845
5/12/07 at 1:46pm
Got the PB-12Plus/2 yesterday. Originally I called BAX and they said theyd come at 2pm. I said would it be possible to move it to 4pm? and they said sure. Then at 5pm I called the local office and they said "oh sorry we stopped making deliveries for today, we'll bring it by on monday". I was incensed but I was too tired to argue, so I just hung up. Then to my surprise, i hear a knock at the door at 7pm, and its the sub. So I went from excited to depressed to excited again. Anyway its here, and I'm still playing around with positioning it. Here are some pics:






btw, does anyone hear a 'pop' in the subwoofer everytime they change the channel or input on their cable box? I set the front speakers to 'small' and set the crossover for the sub to 80hz, and everytime i interrupt the source signal, i hear a 'pop'. Its very irritating. Anyone else getting that?
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post #1464 of 10845
5/12/07 at 1:57pm
very nice
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post #1465 of 10845
5/12/07 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

btw, does anyone hear a 'pop' in the subwoofer everytime they change the channel or input on their cable box? I set the front speakers to 'small' and set the crossover for the sub to 80hz, and everytime i interrupt the source signal, i hear a 'pop'. Its very irritating. Anyone else getting that?

Your AVR is not muting the speaker/subwoofer outputs when you are switching source signals - it's a fairly common problem.
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post #1466 of 10845
5/12/07 at 2:06pm
the pre-pro is a Rotel RSP-1068. Is there any way to fix it? Right now I have the crossovers disabled in the pre-pro and am using the one on the subwoofer itself, and that has fixed it, but i'm wondering if I can do it on the pre-pro or if there's any advantage to using the crossover in the pre-pro vs the one on the sub.
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post #1467 of 10845
5/12/07 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

the pre-pro is a Rotel RSP-1068. Is there any way to fix it? Right now I have the crossovers disabled in the pre-pro and am using the one on the subwoofer itself, and that has fixed it, but i'm wondering if I can do it on the pre-pro or if there's any advantage to using the crossover in the pre-pro vs the one on the sub.

Sorry cant help you with that problem. Just wanted to know if you tuned it down as far as it will go using the 2 plugs and 16 HZ setting. I am going to tommorrow.
The Auto on mode was an issue with mine. Erik had me crank up my out put in the receiver and reduce the gain on the subwoofer. All seems well now. Watched Lord
of the Rings last night and it was unbelievable. I am definitly going to sell my Klipsch RSW-15 now. Told the wife one guy on the AVS forum has 4 of these in one room. Said i wouldnt mind having another ( very funny look ensued from wife).
She then said she needs patio furniture. We will start shopping tommorrow.
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post #1468 of 10845
5/12/07 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by melbay View Post

Told the wife one guy on the AVS forum has 4 of these in one room. Said i wouldnt mind having another ( very funny look ensued from wife).

And the Battle wages on.... hhahahhahaha Thats awesome...
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post #1469 of 10845
5/12/07 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by Ironmike86 View Post

If you have room for the PB10 I believe you will love this sub.

Plenty of room

How is the quality? I was dissapointed in the failure of the KEF after 4 years of light/medium use.
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post #1470 of 10845
5/13/07 at 8:28am
Trucapce,

My '02 20-39PC+ (now at a friend's house) is still going as good as new, as is my '03 PB12-Ultra/2.

-Robb
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