Official SVS Owners/Support Thread. - Page 194

Yes, I was going to say, have you ever made the cat jump and hit the ceiling? By loading up that sub?

or is the cat deaf now?!?

[quote=DenonLover;19049218]Well we finally got the room done and here are some of the photos we took this morning. It is a smaller room and the wife wanted to try and keep it looking more like a room and less like a theater. Do you think I am going to lose much in the way of performace tucking that PB13 all the way over in the corner and putting the speaker in front of it. I do not have many options given the size of our room and the boss likes it hidden in the corner.

Looks great man very nice ! BTW my cat always ends up in my pictures to lol .

I remember when I got my first SVS sub and was watching a movie and my cat was sleeping on my lap and the LFE kicked in and Ithink my cat from a dead sleep jumped 3 feet straight up in the air . I dont know who jumped higher me or him

My cat is getting better but does make a mad dash down the hall when the bass kicks in during a movie. Damn it feels good to be done.

Yup time to sit back and enjoy . But you know were never done

Yes I know I am now waiting for a new Bluray player.

lol and im waiting for 2 more Emos although I havent bought them yet

Got my pc12-plus Friday. Watched xmen part 1 on DVD last night Saturday. Put sub from default no ports blocked 20hz to 16hz one port blocked and I set it on the amp for 16hz.

It was nice to feel the bass a little. Didn't have the bass turned way up. Sub at 12 and denon plus 4 or 6 for sub vol. Don't know what main vol was. It's an older denon with no GUI and 80 watts or so x 5.1. Nice unit for basic needs upstairs.

I am curious. How much is too much vol for 16hz mode? It says there's less output this way then default mode but how so?

I put the foam in one port so it's barely below the top of the port. Is this good?

What is 2 ports blocked? Was told 25hz mode is for extreme spl or something. What does that mean? If I want to go louder?

I have iPod touch and ratshack digital spl and of in other room. How can I measure my sub and create graphs? I would need like all cables 20 feet or so but don't know if they exist for standard RCA or 1 8th inch or whatever. I don't have a clue but really really wanna measure my sub and get help for best bass if possible.

I have in my bedroom less bass in middle of room and want even bass in whole room but don't know how.

By the way. I like the sub and will be keeping it of course.

Just wait for one XPR. Those things will give you the same power as two. What Emo's are you wanting?

First, one port plugged is the 20Hz tuning. Two ports plugged is 16Hz.

As you plug each port, it lowers the lower extension limit, but it also lowers the max SPL across the band. Each port you remove reduces the air flow capacity, so you can get port noise at lower volumes.

Make sure the HP filter is set properly. All ports open is 25, two open is 20, 1 open is 16 and none is sealed.

Is the pc different then the pb if not I think you have it backwards or something because on the PB12 Plus one port plugged is the 16hz tune .

the owner's manual warns about using the wrong port/filter configuration.
here's what it says:

all ports open: filter @ 20Hz (filter at 25Hz is for getting the Max SPL from the sub).
1 port blocked: filter at 16Hz.
3 ports blocked: filter: sealed.

they don't recommend 2 ports blocked because of the possible port noise it can make.

OK, I see. 25Hz is no longer a tuning option, but is just a high pass filter. Strange departure from traditional SVS settings. I guess this comes from using the smaller 3 1/2" ports instead of the 4". 25 and 20 have all ports open, just different low cuts. 16 has 2 open, and sealed has none open.

So how is setting an HPF above port tuning going to increase SPL capability?

Just watched x2. Xmen part 2 on DVD. Sub was one port blocked and 16hz set. I don't know if it's the room but I felt bass but it seemed like it wasn't there. Like a sealed sub. It sucked. I only say that because I like to hear bass that is deep and warm and that it makes my ears warm. Maybe like a potted car sub with rap music bass. I like how that makes my ears warm. I don't know if the room is at fault or if it is more from the sub being cleaner or it just sounds that way. I like the sub just wonder about this. The damn exploding or cracking towards the end was awesome bass. Just wanted it to make my ears warm.

I have the sub in corner behind tv. Gain at 12 with plus 5 or plus 6 sub vol on my avr. Don't know main vol number. Maybe -15 or slightly louder. Not sure.

The foam was hard to pull out of the port. Sucked. I didn't have it but barely below the top opening of the port.

My mom says it's awesome. X2 has some pretty good bass I think.

Does anyone know how low x2 DVD bass goes? Xmen part 2.

think of it as being a compromise;

wider B/W means lower max SPL: energy used for lower frequencies is taken from energy used for high SPL's.
restrict the B/W, and that spare energy can be used for higher SPL.

Deep and "warm" bass .... make your ears warm??


IMO you have the gain on your sub set too low, I'd rather see the sub volume on the AVR at 0 or a few db under that.

But otherwise, these numbers are meaningless as it will be dependent on how much amp power it takes to drive your specific room.

Not sure what the size of your room is, how far you sit at the listening position, what you cross your mains at, etc.

BTW, just recco'd a PB12NSD for a friend of mine who purchased a new system. Helped set it up (he had to put it nearfield at the back of the room). Room was about 20x12 and open to the rest of the house.

Quite pleased with the amount and quality of bass that the PB12 produced. No, it didn't rival my PB13 Ultra (or current DIY's), but was still quite impressive for the size of room. Only played Dark Knight with it, but very sweet. Glad I convinced him to go with that sub over the P'Digm DSP-3200 he was looking at (tried it in the store in a dedicated HT room and I just wasnt impressed).

It's hard to judge a sub unless you've take the time and properly locate the sub and take measurements to verify a flat or near flat response. Also, calibrating your sub's volume realtive to your speaker set up.

So when you say "make my ears warm" relative to the sub's performance...that doesn't tell us much. Since many have had great success with the SVS products (count me in a previous owner), then it's probably your set up that's not extracting the most out of this very solid/top performing subwoofer. So when you say "it (SVS) sucked", it's probably not the subwoofer but the location and lack of calibration that is hindering the preformance.


Ron

I have heard sealed and potted subs and potted ones always have a deeper warmer sounding bass. This is just how I describe what I call it. It makes my ears like feel it or like get warm. Sealed always sounded a little different.

I am not saying the svs sucks. Far from it. It rocks. I just mean it sucks that my ears didn't hear or feel the warm deeper type sound I am thinking of. I wish someone was local to me in Seattle or close would be willing to help me.

The room is huge and open. I'll post a picture. It's a split level home. Go up stairs and on right is tv area but not sealed room. The sub is plenty for what my mom and I would use. I'm just referring to the bass making my ears warm. Lol. I know this is a weird way to describe a sound lol.

I'll post a pic today in a bit. The sub isn't in the corner anymore as I'm going to try my velodyne cht-10 in the same spot so my mom will have a sub while I use the svs in my bedroom. I'm trying to get the svs dialed in though for my mother so we can get things performing the best.

FYI, it's ported, not potted. Potted is what you do with a plant.

I believe what you are calling warm is really the mid bass punch that you feel in your chest. I would suggest you set the sub to the 25Hz setting and unplug all ports.

What I'm hearing as warm I don't know what it is, but I'll set the filter to 25hz and all ports unplugged. Could this be maybe like my Velodyne CHT-10 is rated to about 28hz? And it has this warm sound I'm referring to?

When I had the PC13 Ultra it had a similar warm type sound while doing the bass tone from my denon avr and the sub was in front right corner of my room with me standing in the rear left corner. Sounds great, but sadly the whole room doesn't have the same sound. The PC12 I just got has this warm sound, but barely. My thinking is cus it's not as good as the ultra. However upstairs it's different.

I took several pics of upstairs on a phone and will have to email them to myself and then save the pics locally to post for people to see.

I type on the ipod touch and it does potted and not ported. I never catch it in time to make the correction lol. Stupid auto correct sucks at times. Right now I'm on a pc though.

One thing I notice about the SVS vs my Velo is that we can feel the bass more with the sub being turned down more then the Velo. This is cool in that I think it means the SVS is much more powerful which we know is true anyhow, but it's nice to feel it a tiny bit on the couch even though it's not got tons of bass going on very loud.

Off topic but I just ordered PB13U number 2! I am still shocked on how good one does in my giant room so I can't wait for the second one to arrive..

Here's a few shots of the room I'm talking about from watching Xmen in the last 2 days.

If you're shocked now, you better dial the 9 and the first 1 before listening to two of them.

I hope you are right brother. I have had about every sub under the sun in my room over the past 4 years and the PB13U is the first that I actually think I am keeping.

Glad to hear your still loving it I knew you would as I am mine They really are performers at all levels including HT and music Oh and congrats on the second PU your really going to be in SVS LFE heaven now !

I found my bass!!!! Ransac thanks so much. You're the first person who made a suggestion to try from what I was describing that made sense and it worked mostly. I say mostly cue I haven't finished testing and not sure if the room is an issue or not.

I set the filter to 25hz and no ports blocked. There was a small difference. The xmen2 scene I tried first was when Stryker and his mob invaded the school at night. Bass made my ears smile a little. Then the first time you see the damn crack open my gosh! That sub hit hard and sounded great. I mean it hit waaaaay hard. Holy cow. It's like I'm afraid to turn up the sub even more then I had it cue I don't wanna hurt anything. I don't know what 525 watts rms sounds or feels like. Sub was at 12 for vol and I ran avr sub vol plus 5. Main vol was -11. Wow that sub is one hell of a sub!

But why does changing the sub filter to 25hz give me a warmer deeper sounding bass? I would think that even at 16 or 20 hz setting it'd still sound that way but with more lower bass in there too.

I would like to get some test tones and play them to see what each freq sounds like. Where could I download something? Is there anything available?

With the new 800 watt rms dsp sub amp comming I wonder if the pc12-plus woofer can take it. Since svs will offer the amp as an upgrade I would think it can take it. Which seems cool because then right now the limiter would be the current amp.

I love this sub! Be kinda neat to see what a second one would be like LOL.

Well Buggs, I would like to watch a movie with you. It has to be very entertaining to see your warm, smiling ears.

Now that you've found that the 25Hz tune works to your satisfaction, try the 20Hz tune. Just turn the subsonic filter to 20 and leave all ports open. If you don't like the results, just turn it back to 25.

Hey guys, my second PB13U should be here Friday, I am wondering if I should add a SVS AS-EQ1 subwoofer EQ to the mix or if I will be able to blend them with just the AVR. There will be a difference of distance by about 4ft (one sub in back corner, other in front corner of opposite side). I don't want to go back to using a DCX or SMS-1. My AVR has Audyssey MultEqxt Room Eq.

This will depend entirely on your room and the placement of the subs. The AS-EQ1 is intended to integrate two (or three or four) subs into a room, or to correct one sub in a difficult room. An important feature that enables it to do that is that it can set two different sub distances.

I'm sure that it would improve your system. Whether you need it or not is sort of up to you. As you probably know, SV Sound has a 45-day return policy.

Jeff