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^^^

"Oh wait, did you say 'not' to touch Daddy's stuff?" biggrin.gif

Thanks for the video.
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haha smile.gif!
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

hahah thats too funny! well he pulled the gate down today...i will post a video soon enough hahah. (one i figure how to)
also getting into a battle over in the bass movies thread...a guy trying to deny i can feel content under 16hz. pshhh

Aren't they cute at that age smile.gif

As for 16 Hz content I may be able to chime in if the Pluses get shipped... It's been two weeks now, nothing from SBA yet...

But I listened to a few test tone tracks and I was surprised how *low* 20 Hz actually was. Surely it has to be very loud if sub 16-Hz content is heard. In the thread you mentioned, people with IB subs (and another with standard Hsu subs) were afraid of bottoming out their woofers in The Amazing Spiderman. For IB subs, which are essentially DIY having absolutely no back-pressure to limit the woofer, I can understand that. But am I right saying that this is not something to be feared with an SVS sub? My understanding is that the limiter will prevent any damage to the woofer by preventing it to reach Xmax, and will furthermore do so elegantly (i.e. shaping the signal to prevent hard-clipping).

If I'm right this is indeed one of the reason I give myself to not consider DIY projects yet biggrin.gif I guess it would be a serious undertaking to progam, say, a MiniDSP to perform the same function for a DIY project. People say "if it sounds good, everything is fine" but in a movie, you can have a nasty surprise I guess if there's a sudden burst of U-LFEs.
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The limiter is designed to minimize or prevent bottoming out, etc., from happening. While it is still possible, it is more likely that you'll run across limiter pumping then bottoming with your Pluses. And to get there, you'd need to be really cooking the SPL's.

PBC mentions how effective the limiters are in the new Sledge amps in his review of the SB13-Ultra. It sounds (no pun intended) like it is very well incorporated.
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No we are safe with our svs. But I have bottomed a sub. My cs20-39+. It was a non powered sub. And I had an external samson1000 amp. So you had to be careful. It's not a fun sound.
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

No we are safe with our svs. But I have bottomed a sub. My cs20-39+. It was a non powered sub. And I had an external samson1000 amp. So you had to be careful. It's not a fun sound.

Hey I did that exact same thing with the same setup - cost me a new driver.
A very distinctive sound frown.gif
Kind of like hitting a steel pipe with the lawnmower
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After only once? Ouch. Yeah it scares the crap of me too. It happened with the thx intro on the episode I stare are DVD. During the thunder sequence. That sucked. But no damage done
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Yeah - it bottomed real hard (that Samson amp had a lot of beans).
As I recall I was running it hot while watching U571, a barrage of depth charges smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

The limiter is designed to minimize or prevent bottoming out, etc., from happening. While it is still possible, it is more likely that you'll run across limiter pumping then bottoming with your Pluses. And to get there, you'd need to be really cooking the SPL's.
PBC mentions how effective the limiters are in the new Sledge amps in his review of the SB13-Ultra. It sounds (no pun intended) like it is very well incorporated.

This is correct - and the DSP limiter/compressor is extremely fast and very transparent. If you overdrive the subwoofer it will just gracefully stop getting louder without obvious pumping (some call this 'motorboating') or other artifacts.
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Silly pseudo-gripe, why is it every time a picture gets knocked off a wall, it happens to be one of my wife's favorites?

I'm home sick today, and decided to have a mini Star War's marathon. As I was doped up on cough syrup, I felt I was in the proper state of mind for the prequels. tongue.gif In the beginning of Episode 2, when the ship flies over, a small picture frame committed suicide. I figured I could glue it back together and the wife would never know. Later, during the scene where Jengo Fett is trying to ditch Obi Wan in the asteroid belt come mine field, one of my wifes favorite pictures fell off the wall and shattered into a thousand pieces.

Which leaves me realizing that:

A) That scene has more bass than I realized
B) My Ultra's put out a good amount of energy at -5 from reference
C) Maybe I shouldn't judge the volume levels when I have a head cold (-5 from ref is pretty stupid loud after all)

and

D) Crap. I don't think I have enough superglue to fix this. tongue.gif

Wheres a good place to get pictures re-framed? Fast.
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Michaels will do it while you wait. I am lucky to have secured anything that might break although that is after a statue I bought for my wife on our anniversary came crashing down last year. Oops.
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Cool, thanks Brian. There's one of those right down the hill from me.

Hi-ho, Hi-ho, its off to frame I go.
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Last thing you feel like doing while sick. Lol. No problem. Glad I could help smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

Cool, thanks Brian. There's one of those right down the hill from me.
Hi-ho, Hi-ho, its off to frame I go.
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Michaels will do it while you wait.

This my friends is the kind of priceless advice that you can only get on the SVS owner's thread cool.gif
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

This is correct - and the DSP limiter/compressor is extremely fast and very transparent. If you overdrive the subwoofer it will just gracefully stop getting louder without obvious pumping (some call this 'motorboating') or other artifacts.

This is what I thought and, IMHO, a very strong selling point for SVS subs. I admit I don't know much about SVS's competition in that regard but knowing that I won't break the sub by inadvertence is very reassuring. Having the sub not produce obvious artifacts is a plus of course but just knowing that I won't damage the sub while testing it is good enough for me.

According to Audioholic's review of the SB12, the sub will first lose its internal EQ due to using up all available headroom, with its frequency response changing shape to adopt something closer to other sealed subs, compressing in the 20-40 Hz region; then it simply doesn't get any louder.

But just to be clear... Is the limiter able to cope with about any input signals? E.g. I once plugged the input while the sub was already on. Ouch. At least the gain was about 11 o'clock and no higher. The sub sounds alright. But could I have damaged it with a higher gain setting, or is the limiter able to deal with such a pulse? And what about those "sub test tracks" with test tones?

Admittedly when I finally get my dual Pluses I probably won't ever place myself in a situation where the subs are close to their maximum. But with my current SB12, I'm currently trying to see where its limits are (watching the limiter led as a guide), in order to prepare some demos. I'll eventually have to sell it, so I better be prepared.
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ok second (replacement) pb12 is here and installed. the grill is REALLY hard to get on. i am hoping this one stays in place!
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

ok second (replacement) pb12 is here and installed. the grill is REALLY hard to get on. i am hoping this one stays in place!

Is that good news? I mean, was the grill loose on the first one? Or does this seem yet another problem (e.g. debris in the hole)?
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i don't know. I will tryout "game over" when I get back home. but they just don't go in very easily..and it seems its the bottom right peg again. grrrr. there is just no easy way to install it either since the bottom ones are so close to the ground. it definitely goes in further than the previous one...so im thinking it wont come loose. ill report back tonight.
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Oh and by the way, since this was a "hot swap" as you called it... Did you resist the temptation to try duals just for a few hours? rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Oh and by the way, since this was a "hot swap" as you called it... Did you resist the temptation to try duals just for a few hours? rolleyes.gif

i am STILL tempted...but dont want to fall in love with the sound then have upgraditis all over again haha
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Anybody read the review on the SB13-Ultra in the November Widescreen Review? Absolutely GLOWING.
Edited by 760rapta - 11/14/12 at 10:33pm
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so, watched Immortals last night...and we have success the grill stayed on! i had to like "screw" in the bottom right peg before putting the other ones in. Bout time smile.gif

looking for a fun movie to watch tonight...might rent project X and the campaign. (wednesday and thursday nights are my movie nights) smile.gif
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Originally Posted by 760rapta View Post

Anybody read the review on the SB13-Ultra in the November Widescreen Review? Absolutely GLOWING.

It's not online is it? Or I guess behind a paywall? Anyway, good to know... Did they compare it to other subs?
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

so, watched Immortals last night...and we have success the grill stayed on! i had to like "screw" in the bottom right peg before putting the other ones in. Bout time smile.gif
looking for a fun movie to watch tonight...might rent project X and the campaign. (wednesday and thursday nights are my movie nights) smile.gif

Well I hope this grille stays on. Did it pass the "Game Over" test?

Man I envy how you can just string one movie after the other smile.gif

I guess I have yet another weekend to spend without Pluses... That will give me time to clear up some space I hope. I managed to install a gigabit ethernet link to my HT last weekend and it's awesome: I can stream HD content from my server to the TV without a hitch now. A bit disappointed by the bass in the new Evangelion series though. There is so much heavy mech walking and fighting and overall destruction that it could have been a complete bass fest, but it seems it's all mid-bass. I hope Vexille on bluray puts on a better show.
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i didnt get a chance to try the game-over track because I left my iphone 5 cord in the car (damn new cords haha) but that is THE test since on the other sub, i could literally watch the pin come out during the bass drop portion...must be the perfect frequency.(sick song btw!)
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

i didnt get a chance to try the game-over track because I left my iphone 5 cord in the car (damn new cords haha) but that is THE test since on the other sub, i could literally watch the pin come out during the bass drop portion...must be the perfect frequency.(sick song btw!)

I guess you'll have to do the same test ASAP to see if the new sub/grille is ok. As I said before I'm not overly fond of Dubstep in general (I can't stand pop song covers for example) but that one got chosen at random by my mp3 player in the car and had never heard it before. It really surprised me with that buildup then bass drop. But the Noisia stuff I mentioned earlier really hits hard too; Soul Purge in particular. I think I prefer the faster drums of D'n'B than the once-in-a-while kick in Dubstep smile.gif Then again, Dubstep really uses the sub to its full potential, so it's an endless source of demo material.
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So no good. Played game over and all four pegs came out. Watched project x and pegs came out. I am completely frustrated at this point. Never had this issue w the sb12. I mean I can take the grill off for movie watching but that's plain annoying!
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

So no good. Played game over and all four pegs came out. Watched project x and pegs came out. I am completely frustrated at this point. Never had this issue w the sb12. I mean I can take the grill off for movie watching but that's plain annoying!

I don't know what to tell -- really disappointing. Maybe we didn't get this issue with the SB12 because it wasn't loud enough? Then again, as I see it, there's two possibilities. Either it's the shockwave from the woofer (i.e. the pressure level itself) that dislodges the grille. It seems to me that would be very surprising as you can feel air if you put your hand close, enough for a piece of paper to flutter, but not dislodge a grille. Or, it's the vibrations coming from the sub's structure that dislodge the grille.

However, to sub itself is very sturdy and should not vibrate much. Instead, what must happen is that the back-and-forth motion of the motor is transmitted mechanically to your floor and basically shakes it (and the sub above it). Do you have something between your floor and the sub? If not, maybe a foam pad would improve things a bit. I myself use an acoustical rubber mat meant to be put under hardwood floors to reduce vibrations on the floor. If it works or reduce the problem, maybe you should look into a riser such as the Subdude.

What bothers me is that your replacement PB12 has a worse problem (all four pegs coming out!).

This reminds me. I once or twice found the grill detached from by SB12 but always assumed it was the cleaning lady who tried to move it or my daughter who pulled it out. Maybe the same thing did happen to me. But I can assure you it stayed on during my recent foray closer to reference levels. I can't remember if the last time I saw the grille off was with or without the rubber mat.
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It's really weird. Just played Harry potter deathly hallows pt 2. And a few scenes from from. And the grill didn't budge. I guess it's now only with deep bass music. It jay sucks cause I am constantly wondering if the grill is coming off. It's a crappy design if you ask me. It's unfortunate because I LOVE SVS and their subs. But this is becoming an annoyance
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That sucks Brian. Weird that it required you to practically screw the bloody thing on and it works itself out. Have you tried the grill form the other one? One other idea, what about a touch of electrical tape around the pegs themselves? Mickey Moused, sure, but it might add a little more friction and a less slippery surface.

Makes me appreciate the magnetic grills a little more.
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I would try that but the fit is so tight as it is there would be no way I could get the pegs in w electrical tape. Thanks though.
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