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post #9151 of 10619
11/29/12 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Lecter83 View Post

They are five years of study, but if you want the improvement of language, the last year you have to go abroad (in my case in England, where the closer to my country).

Hi,

When you get to England, let me know, I'll buy you some fine English beer - I am in London! Can you let me know the name of your SVS Dealer friend in Germany? I see the new SVS Subs are available there but not in England - can he/she do me a good deal?

Thanks!

Bazzy!
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post #9152 of 10619
11/29/12 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

well then since i have l already downloaded the REW on my mac...looks like its time to take some graphed measurements.
nice! So i calibrate it...then run sweeps with it running and a graph will be generated?

I encourage you to read REW's documentation (also available as a PDF) as it's really well done. Section 6 explains how to calibrate the sound card. In my case fumbling with arcane Windows audio settings was the most difficult part. Don't forget to set your SPL meter as the input device -- you likely have another mic on your laptop. Also if I remember correctly RadioShack's SPL meter outputs line level signals, not mic level. My 3.5 mm input can be configured for both but I had to set it properly.

I used my 3.5 mm output to connect to my AVR instead of an HDMI cable because REW can only calibrate the audio adapter through the 3.5 mm output by connecting its output to its input (loopback connection). Also last time I tried a FR measurement I had a nasty feedback problem that was due to the input being played back ("monitored") on the output. I could mute the playback of the input and feedback stopped.

I can't find where is the max acceptable noise level for the sound card though mad.gif
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post #9153 of 10619
11/29/12 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by Slowhand81 View Post

I'm happy to say my piece of furniture just turned into a subwoofer Beast!!.....Ahhhhhhh
The problem turned out to be, the factory put the Gain knob on in wrong position, so I thought I had the thing on 3/4's but it was only 1/4...When I took the knob off and put it in the right position I have it in 11 o'clock position and my wife said the ceiling fan downstairs is moving!!! She came upstairs and said, I guess you found the problem....lol Now the fun will begin....
Rick

W00t! I'm glad the problem was 1) found and 2) that simple to fix biggrin.gif
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post #9154 of 10619
11/29/12 at 12:46pm
Hi all,

As I understand it, SVS PB12-NSD made in 2011 onward were using Sledge amps and have metal grills as well as 1 inch less wide.

However, I found these picture on Canuck Audiomart of what appears to be Sledge Amp, but with cloth grills.

Did SVS ever make a PB12-NSD with Sledge Amp and cloth grill like the one shown in the pictures below?


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post #9155 of 10619
11/29/12 at 12:49pm
^^^
Yes, for a short run before the redesigned NSD's came out SVS used the Sledge amps with the prior enclosure/drivers.


Slowhand81, glad it was something simple (ish). Granted, checking that the gain knob was put on correctly would have left me baffled for awhile, just not something I would have thought of. Good job tracking that down.
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post #9156 of 10619
11/29/12 at 1:02pm
^^^^ Thanks.
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post #9157 of 10619
11/29/12 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

So i calibrate it...then run sweeps with it running and a graph will be generated?

FYI; start here.
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post #9158 of 10619
11/29/12 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi,
When you get to England, let me know, I'll buy you some fine English beer - I am in London! Can you let me know the name of your SVS Dealer friend in Germany? I see the new SVS Subs are available there but not in England - can he/she do me a good deal?
Thanks!
Bazzy!

Hi Bazzy.

It will be a pleasure to meet you in person and make friends in England.
Anyway, I'll start my first year studying English, going to England will be in the fifth year of study to finish the training. I still take time to get to that level, but I hope to do.

The company name is Klangimlot my friend, also a member of avforum, in that community name is "Cribeiro". Maybe if you frequent this forum, you know, it takes time and type in the lot in the. : D

A hug.

Israel.

: Rolleyes:
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post #9159 of 10619
11/29/12 at 3:17pm
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I can't help it but I still want to see Battle: LA after all the bad reviews.

Awful. I don't even think its that great of a basshead movie. It does have agressive surrounds though.
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post #9160 of 10619
11/29/12 at 3:18pm
^couldnt agree more! Waste of time movie and not even great bass. So muddy and not defined. Crap! I want my 5$ back haha
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post #9161 of 10619
11/29/12 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

How many other locations have you tried? Bass nulls are very position dependent. Sometimes just moving the sub and/or the listening position by a foot can have a dramatic effect.
How are you calibrating the subs (Gain matching/Level matching/ by ear)? If one sub is less powerful and you are level matching, you are matching to the least powerful sub.
Have you tried just running the SVS by itself as a test to see if there are any destructive interference issues occurring between the Velo and the SVS? It sounds counter intuitive, but sometimes two subs of different types can have phase issues which bring the quantity and quality of bass in a room down. An easy way to confirm this is with an SPL meter. Set the meter up in the listening position, start the test tones, and see what kind of SPL you are getting with both subs on. Then turn off one sub and check if the SPL went up or down. If it went up, you definitely are experiencing destructive interference, which can be eliminated/mitigated by adjusting the phase settings on the sub, and/or adjusting the distance settings in the AVR, and/or physically moving one or both subs. If the SPL went down, by how much? If only 1-2 DB, there is a good chance you are still having phase issues.

I have moved it around where I could in the room. I have also adjusted phase. For some reason the Velodyne just sounds bigger and tighter, I even swapped their exact locations. I just have a hard time believing the SVS is losing out here. Anybody in NE Ohio want to buy a PB-12 plus? I'm going to invest in a Sub EQ and bigger sub I guess.......
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post #9162 of 10619
11/29/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Awful. I don't even think its that great of a basshead movie. It does have agressive surrounds though.

I thought Battle L.A. was an excellent film. It's not a deep plot and like all movies, had it's weak points but seemed to stay true and because of that, for me, was excellent entertainment.

Remember, the higher one's movie review standards, the fewer choices one has to choose from until all that's left is, no movies to watch at all. wink.gif
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post #9163 of 10619
11/29/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by mikehenya View Post

I have moved it around where I could in the room. I have also adjusted phase. For some reason the Velodyne just sounds bigger and tighter, I even swapped their exact locations. I just have a hard time believing the SVS is losing out here. Anybody in NE Ohio want to buy a PB-12 plus? I'm going to invest in a Sub EQ and bigger sub I guess.......

Before getting rid of the PB12, I'd suggest giving the folks at SVS a ring. I'd expect the SVS to hold its own versus the Velo (at least in terms of output, if not in terms of subjective tightness), especially as you approach its tuning point. It's quite possible that there could be a problem that they could at least diagnose for you. Of course, its also understandable if you prefer not to invest any time/money into an older sub and just go with something new.
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post #9164 of 10619
11/29/12 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by mikehenya View Post

I have moved it around where I could in the room. I have also adjusted phase. For some reason the Velodyne just sounds bigger and tighter, I even swapped their exact locations. I just have a hard time believing the SVS is losing out here. Anybody in NE Ohio want to buy a PB-12 plus? I'm going to invest in a Sub EQ and bigger sub I guess.......

A suggestion, invest in the sub EQ first, then make any subwoofer changes. Our Anti-Mode arrived on the porch today. Will see about setting it up tomorrow morning. One problem, I don't think there will be an improvement. But that's only because I have no complaints. I picked up the EQ and the analyzing equipment to play with and for when I upgrade our current set of subs, we'll be ready to easily dial those dogs in. Woof, woof.
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post #9165 of 10619
11/29/12 at 7:05pm
I for one re-packed the defective sub tonight, and in a fit, decided to move the working one in the corner that was occupied by the SB12 before.

Instant happiness: deep bass is there again at the main listening locations.

I took half an hour to do a quick FR and create a set of filters for the BFD. Also -- I had forgotten to set my SPL meter to slow during the last FR measurement. That may have been the cause of much of the weirdness in my FRs. Now the FR is much cleaner. I used a test DVD which has -0.5 dB LFE test tones, and I'm happy to report that setting my AVR volume at -30 dB, I could easily perceive 15 Hz tone, or whatever side effects it did cause (maybe those were harmonics -- sounds pretty much like a rapid series of air pulses). To be honest though, it sounds pretty much the same as the 20 Hz tone to me rolleyes.gif except a bit slower. The FR itself is pretty much flat to 15 Hz (not counting the slight bump at 17 Hz) in-room. That is using the 16 Hz tune. I find this pretty interesting but I don't see myself pursuing sub upgrades until I reach 10 Hz...

EQing with a slight house curve that boosts the low-end did remove quite a lot of mid-bass peaks and overall I admit I lost a bit of slam in the process; however I was listening at low volumes tonight, let's see what I can do tomorrow morning when I can turn the volume up a notch or two. Note that I had lots of slam before but the huge peak in FR that was responsible smothered quite a large range of frequencies around it and was not that fun to listen to at higher volumes.
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post #9166 of 10619
11/29/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I for one re-packed the defective sub tonight, and in a fit, decided to move the working one in the corner that was occupied by the SB12 before.
Instant happiness: deep bass is there again at the main listening locations.
I took half an hour to do a quick FR and create a set of filters for the BFD. Also -- I had forgotten to set my SPL meter to slow during the last FR measurement. That may have been the cause of much of the weirdness in my FRs. Now the FR is much cleaner. I used a test DVD which has -0.5 dB LFE test tones, and I'm happy to report that setting my AVR volume at -30 dB, I could easily perceive 15 Hz tone, or whatever side effects it did cause (maybe those were harmonics -- sounds pretty much like a rapid series of air pulses). To be honest though, it sounds pretty much the same as the 20 Hz tone to me rolleyes.gif except a bit slower. The FR itself is pretty much flat to 15 Hz (not counting the slight bump at 17 Hz) in-room. That is using the 16 Hz tune. I find this pretty interesting but I don't see myself pursuing sub upgrades until I reach 10 Hz...
EQing with a slight house curve that boosts the low-end did remove quite a lot of mid-bass peaks and overall I admit I lost a bit of slam in the process; however I was listening at low volumes tonight, let's see what I can do tomorrow morning when I can turn the volume up a notch or two. Note that I had lots of slam before but the huge peak in FR that was responsible smothered quite a large range of frequencies around it and was not that fun to listen to at higher volumes.

So, what is your plan then? Are you going to have a replacement?

I know it sucks that you didn't really have the chance to experience these two subwoofers working correctly, but don't tell me that you are going to give up to the dream that easily?

Are you?
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post #9167 of 10619
11/29/12 at 7:14pm
Flat to 15 is pretty damn good! smile.gif I'm flat to 16 and love every second of it smile.gif
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post #9168 of 10619
11/29/12 at 7:27pm
Rofl no I'm sure getting the replacement. For one thing, I want the FR to be indeed flat (to 15 Hz or better) all around the living room, not only in my main listening location wink.gif

It's one thing to be surprised by how well the SB12 performs... But when you purchase a bigger one but you just can't honestly say it sounds as good, it's a bit disappointing. I was using the corner location for only a couple of weeks with the SB12 and I was saying to myself" why am I upgrading again?" It was that good. But now I'm confident I'll be able to bring things to the next level with the Plus at this location.

We learned an important lesson tonight guys: location alone can make an SB12 sound deeper and fatter than a Plus. And also, I'd say tentatively that EQing can make a corner location very interesting.
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post #9169 of 10619
11/29/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Rofl no I'm sure getting the replacement. For one thing, I want the FR to be indeed flat (to 15 Hz or better) all around the living room, not only in my main listening location wink.gif

That's the spirit!!! Hopefully, the replacement sub will arrive faster than the original one. Oh well, we'll be here waiting on your status report!
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

It's one thing to be surprised by how well the SB12 performs... But when you purchase a bigger one but you just can't honestly say it sounds as good, it's a bit disappointing. I was using the corner location for only a couple of weeks with the SB12 and I was saying to myself" why am I upgrading again?" It was that good. But now I'm confident I'll be able to bring things to the next level with the Plus at this location.

Yeah, that's a awful feeling. Knowing that you are investing in a product that should be superior and then suddenly realizing is not performing as expected. But, hey that is part of the fun with audio and you must keep experimenting until things are right. That of course without counting when you have issues with the product itself. But as we all know the customer service from SVS is superb, so I was confident the issue will be resolved.

Now, the cool thing about it is that you know now what is the sweet spot for one of your subs. Next step is to find the perfect location for the second one as soon it arrives.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

We learned an important lesson tonight guys: location alone can make an SB12 sound deeper and fatter than a Plus. And also, I'd say tentatively that EQing can make a corner location very interesting.

Location, location, location...........you see it applies to more things that only homes.......tongue.gif

Yeah an SB12 might sound amazing in the correct location, until you replace it for a Plus in the very same spot........wink.gif
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post #9170 of 10619
11/30/12 at 4:54am
^^ your HT is gorgeous. but I think its time for a bigger Display biggrin.gif
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post #9171 of 10619
11/30/12 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

^^ your HT is gorgeous. but I think its time for a bigger Display biggrin.gif

Thanks Brian!

Well, that is something that I have been working on. But, I'll need to do things by phases here. First goal has been achieved:



Next stop ..................... buying the right screen. Actually, before that.......I must need to save some cash, so I can buy it......tongue.gif
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post #9172 of 10619
11/30/12 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by mikehenya View Post

I have moved it around where I could in the room. I have also adjusted phase. For some reason the Velodyne just sounds bigger and tighter, I even swapped their exact locations. I just have a hard time believing the SVS is losing out here. Anybody in NE Ohio want to buy a PB-12 plus? I'm going to invest in a Sub EQ and bigger sub I guess.......

I think this was mentioned before, but have you tried to disconnect/remove the Velodyne from your system, move the PB-12 Plus to the Velo location, re-run calibration (again, with only the PB-12 Plus hooked to your receiver) and compare results "only" using the SVS sub?

If not done yet, just give it a try and report back. I had a PB-12 Plus for few weeks and I can testify this sub is a rock solid performer (BTW - my room is almost 5K qft). So, something during the calibration process (while trying to run dual subs) must be creating the problem.

Please report back!
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post #9173 of 10619
11/30/12 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Thanks Brian!
Well, that is something that I have been working on. But, I'll need to do things by phases here. First goal has been achieved:

Next stop ..................... buying the right screen. Actually, before that.......I must need to save some cash, so I can buy it......tongue.gif

nice!! if you dont mind me asking how much did you pay for it? I have an old (well basically brand new but old as in date of production) benQ PJ which I has in my old condo now I dont have room for it.

but I want to explore new tech PJ's and possibly talk the wife into letting me install it in the Living room smile.gif

You definitly have self control! buying something knowing it will sit around until you can afford the screen. I would be scratching at the side of the box haha
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post #9174 of 10619
11/30/12 at 6:23am
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

nice!! if you dont mind me asking how much did you pay for it? I have an old (well basically brand new but old as in date of production) benQ PJ which I has in my old condo now I dont have room for it.
but I want to explore new tech PJ's and possibly talk the wife into letting me install it in the Living room smile.gif
You definitly have self control! buying something knowing it will sit around until you can afford the screen. I would be scratching at the side of the box haha

Hold on a sec............who is going to let a brand new pj sitting on the floor waiting on a screen? Oh no, that is why walls where built for...............tongue.gif

I had to pull the trigger on this PJ due to blackfriday/cybermonday deal + current promotion from Panasonic: 2 pair of glasses (kind of expected), a $100 cash rebate (cool) and an additional 1 year of warranty (3 years in total!!!).

I'll share price (deal information) via PM (don't want to get in trouble over price discussion on the forum).

Cheers!
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post #9175 of 10619
11/30/12 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Hold on a sec............who is going to let a brand new pj sitting on the floor waiting on a screen? Oh no, that is why walls where built for...............tongue.gif
I had to pull the trigger on this PJ due to blackfriday/cybermonday deal + current promotion from Panasonic: 2 pair of glasses (kind of expected), a $100 cash rebate (cool) and an additional 1 year of warranty (3 years in total!!!).
I'll share price (deal information) via PM (don't want to get in trouble over price discussion on the forum).
Cheers!

wow nice deal! and thanks for taking the time...haha so how does the picture look?
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post #9176 of 10619
11/30/12 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

wow nice deal! and thanks for taking the time...haha so how does the picture look?

No problem, I didn't have the chance yet to even open the box. Not sure if you noticed in the pic (I know it is a bad one), but there is hole in the box. So, I did checking with the vendor to confirm how to proceed here (you know, trying to document everything........just in case).

But, I'll receive the green light to open the box and hopefully this weekend I'll have the time to re-configure things around my house and then, I'll be playing a bit with this PJ.

Back on topic, did anyone here is taking advantage of the SVS free shipping return promotion?

This promotion expires today (11/30)!
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post #9177 of 10619
11/30/12 at 8:32am
its hard not to.....haha i mean its basically a free demo. but shouldnt be used a such, this would leave them with a bunch of b-stocks.

would locve to demo a pb1000 just to see. as well as maybe a pb12+ or ultra haha
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post #9178 of 10619
11/30/12 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

That's the spirit!!! Hopefully, the replacement sub will arrive faster than the original one. Oh well, we'll be here waiting on your status report!

It should; Mason from SBA said they have it in stock now. I just shipped the defective unit back this morning so I guess I'll get the replacement next week. The only problem is that I'll be alone with my 2-yo daughter during the evenings so I really don't know when I'll be able to pick it up. Don't worry, status report as soon as possible as always smile.gif
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Yeah an SB12 might sound amazing in the correct location, until you replace it for a Plus in the very same spot........wink.gif

I really hope to be able to watch a movie this weekend and tell you whether it feels that different from the SB12. For now I got the level of deep bass I had before, and certainly more slam and ... not sure how to describe this. It's the first time I have the impression that the floor is rippling under my feet. Call it seismic presence if you will.

The second Plus probably will go where my working unit was before so I'll have two subs on the front stage as you do, and as Lecter suggested. It will have the benefit of maximally using the front stage, and will probably spread good bass on most seats. Maybe I'll also try position 1 (beside the couches) as it seems clear that the subs don't create bass only close to where they stand. However I do fear having some form of localization in the upper bass, which symmetrically-positioned subs on the front stage would alleviate.
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Next stop ..................... buying the right screen. Actually, before that.......I must need to save some cash, so I can buy it......tongue.gif

Have you considered simply painting the wall with the appropriate matte white paint? Would be much less expensive than a screen, unless you also want to keep the TV and be able to switch between the two outputs.
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post #9179 of 10619
11/30/12 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

its hard not to.....haha i mean its basically a free demo. but shouldnt be used a such, this would leave them with a bunch of b-stocks.
would locve to demo a pb1000 just to see. as well as maybe a pb12+ or ultra haha

I would love to order two PB13 Ultras, so I can have four of them at my room; then I'll tell my wife to come downstairs and then just contemplate the look at her face while screaming at me about the purchase...............................priceless!!!
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post #9180 of 10619
11/30/12 at 9:11am
If you ever do that, please post a video of the scene.
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