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post #9481 of 15623
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

That was a really nice reading. Thanks for sharing your detail impressions with us. And man, I love this pic!
Congrats on your dual subwoofer setup!

You never told me you finally setup your projector!!! I just randomly clicked your gallery and viola!! It looks amazing. So much better than that little display you had. What are your thoughts?
post #9482 of 15623
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

You never told me you finally setup your projector!!! I just randomly clicked your gallery and viola!! It looks amazing. So much better than that little display you had. What are your thoughts?

Ouch........totally my bad!

Ha, ha....little display....it was a 51" Plasma TV. But you are right, it looked tiny after I added the Ultras.....tongue.gif

If you remember I was planning on buying a Epson projector and a 92" screen. I ended up with a Panasonic and a 120" 16:9 ratio fixed screen. Oh boy, this thing is amazing. I was concerned about picture quality coming from a plasma 3D HDTV, but honestly the panny provides a stunning picture, not only on 2D, but also in 3D.

Yeah, I went over my budget (as usual), but I'm really happy with the end results. There is no way to describe when you are watching a movie in a 120" screen with a projector that is really capable of projecting a top noch picture quality. There are so many details missed on a small screen that I just starting to realize. Is similar to when you add your first real subwoofer.................everything seems to be different. A game changer is just few words.

Oh, and I just watched the Steelers/Bengals game with my wife, what incredible way to watch football games. We are really looking forward to the Super Bowl!

Christmas arrived earlier for me!!!

Cheers!
post #9483 of 15623
I forgot to put little in "". Haha enjoy it!
post #9484 of 15623
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

I forgot to put little in "". Haha enjoy it!

LOL. Thanks bro, we are indeed enjoy it now!

Even this forum looks much better on the 120" screen...........eek.gif
post #9485 of 15623
Just sold my PB12 NSD this weekend. I made changes to my bedroom setup and the PB12 was just too big. It was a great a sub that never gave me one problem.
Just orderd a SB12 NSD in gloss black, this smaller sub will fit my needs and dig down deeper than my Paradigm Signature 2's will. Hope to have it. by next Friday
post #9486 of 15623
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Just sold my PB12 NSD this weekend. I made changes to my bedroom setup and the PB12 was just too big. It was a great a sub that never gave me one problem.
Just orderd a SB12 NSD in gloss black, this smaller sub will fit my needs and dig down deeper than my Paradigm Signature 2's will. Hope to have it. by next Friday

You scared me! For a second I thought you were going rogue with a different brand..........tongue.gif

Congrats on your new sub and please post your impressions on the SB12.

Cheers!
post #9487 of 15623
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

You scared me! For a second I thought you were going rogue with a different brand..........tongue.gif
Congrats on your new sub and please post your impressions on the SB12.
Cheers!

I would never switch brands, SVS only for me. Will give a update when i get it maybe by next Friday.
post #9488 of 15623
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I would never switch brands, SVS only for me. Will give a update when i get it maybe by next Friday.

Cool!
post #9489 of 15623
I have a question for u guys, these of u with recievers that have Dynamic EQ, do u guys have that enabled for one or more than one of your sources? i.e for music or for movies?
post #9490 of 15623
I used to. But I don't like the bloated bass for lower volumes so I turned it off for all sources
post #9491 of 15623
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

I have a question for u guys, these of u with recievers that have Dynamic EQ, do u guys have that enabled for one or more than one of your sources? i.e for music or for movies?

I'm using Audyssey Dynamic EQ with my SB1000 in my bedroom, I almost always listen at low volumes and have my Jamo C 803s about 3 feet away from my face, so Dynamic EQ helps save music from sounding like garbage at low volumes.

If I want to listen loudly I can switch off Dynamic EQ, either way the SB1000 sounds amazing in my medium-sized bedroom. I've owned at least ten different subwoofers and listened to most of them in this room, the SB1000 is my clear favorite for music.
post #9492 of 15623
Cool, because i just disabled dynamic EQ for music completely (my Interent radio source/input on my onkyo reciever)

i think dynamic eq is boosting the bass too much for music, i left dynamic eq for bluray and cable tv (but for cable tv i have the REFERENCE LEVEL Offset set to 10db)
post #9493 of 15623
Hello all,
today I saw the limiter LED flashing behind my SVS PB12NSD.
This happened with a scene from a movie with a lot of bass ..
when you see the flashing LED limiter, there is a risk of damaging the subwoofer or the limiter intervenes so as to avoid it?
sorry for the english ..
thank you
post #9494 of 15623
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Originally Posted by Breniac View Post

Hello all,
today I saw the limiter LED flashing behind my SVS PB12NSD.
This happened with a scene from a movie with a lot of bass ..
when you see the flashing LED limiter, there is a risk of damaging the subwoofer or the limiter intervenes so as to avoid it?
sorry for the english ..
thank you

was it really loud? were u watching the movie at reference level?
post #9495 of 15623
It is ok for it to flicker. If it stays on for a few sexonds straight it means you either need to turn it down or you need a bigger sub. You will jot cause damage. The limiter prevents this
post #9496 of 15623
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Originally Posted by Breniac View Post

Hello all,
today I saw the limiter LED flashing behind my SVS PB12NSD.
This happened with a scene from a movie with a lot of bass ..
when you see the flashing LED limiter, there is a risk of damaging the subwoofer or the limiter intervenes so as to avoid it?
sorry for the english ..
thank you

and also, do u have ur pb12 connected to a surge protector or no?
post #9497 of 15623
hi,
I was listening to the reference level (0 dB).
my pb12nsd is connected after a antimode 8033.
(The antimode showed the clipping to volume 82)
I never listen to a movie at that volume, it was a test ..
However, I noticed that the limiter LED may flash even with a lower volume (78 in my onkyo, reference level is 82) with the film knowing the final scene where the world explodes. In this case, I saw a quick flash of the limiter ..
All this may damage the sub? With many other films in volume 77 I usually never blinks, but "knowing" and "Pirates of the Caribbean - At World's End" has happened.
I imagine that in these cases the volume is slightly higher than the limit tolerated by the sub, and this has flashed the limiter LED ..
But this is normal or is to be avoided that the limiter LED flashes?

Thanks for the help!
post #9498 of 15623
Normal
post #9499 of 15623
The limiter on SVS products is quite good and the sub won't be damaged. A quick flicker is nothing to worry about and entirely normal. If the led stays on continuously for, say, more than a second or so, it simply means that you reached peak output for your sub and it won't go louder. Somebody -- Snowmanick if I remember correctly -- remarked that the led then simply tells you it's time to upgrade wink.gif
post #9500 of 15623
Tons o' research done and on Christmas Eve I went and ordered a PB12-NSD to compliment my incoming Aperion Verus Grands and Denon 3313. Read through the bulk of this thread, including the Ballad of Neutro, and I just wanted to thank all of you for your informative and entertaining posts. Weather in Ohio isn't too good, so I expect to get the sub in early January. Between all this new gear and a rack full of new 5 star / tier 0 Blu-Rays, I think 2013 is showing early signs of being a very good year. Huzzah!
post #9501 of 15623
I don't know what you're upgrading from but if you're in the market for a sub at the PB12-NSD's tier, and your room is 3500 cubic feet or smaller, then it will probably blow your mind. Get ready dude smile.gif
post #9502 of 15623
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

I don't know what you're upgrading from but if you're in the market for a sub at the PB12-NSD's tier, and your room is 3500 cubic feet or smaller, then it will probably blow your mind. Get ready dude smile.gif

I've got a Panasonic 65VT30 in a 1600 cubic foot room (roughly 16x13x8). At time of purchase, I had extreme WAF issues[*] and had to go with a soundbar... which is what I'm still using, as I've got the Aperions and the Denon in boxes, awaiting the sub. I think the upgrade might be significant?

[*] These WAF issues still remain, but the planning of a kitchen remodel seems to have relaxed the constraints in the den, or else distracted the Eye of Sauron sufficiently to allow the plan to hatch.
post #9503 of 15623
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Originally Posted by idealty View Post

My First Week SB13-Ultra Impressions

Had my SB13-ultra for a little over a week now, constantly tweaking it and my system along the way. I've had some setup problems, particularly in taming my room acoustics and getting a flat frequency response. While initially I was disappointed with the performance, I've since gotten it to sound much better by tweaking placement, adjusting levels, and activating the parametric eq to tighten my response. I still need more time to give my final judgement but overall, I can say it's a quality product.
Unboxing and Initial Setup
My previous sub was a SVS PB12-NSD (older down firing model with 325W Bash Amp). My motivation in getting a new sub was initially to get more accurate bass in a more compact and aestetically pleasing form factor. That naturally led me to look at some of the quality sealed subs out there like the Hsu ULS-15, JL Audio Fathom F113, Def Tech Supercubes, Velodyne DD+ series, Paradigm SUB 12/15, etc. However, when looking at the cost of many of those subs, I become sold on the SVS mainly due to value and previous experience with their quality. In addition, I recently discovered that my PB12 had an issue with the driver (i think) where it just flutters horribly at frequencies below 35hz creating nasty audible distortion (I may not be able to sell it afterall). Thus, I guess it was time to upgrade and get something that I can add a 2nd sub to my system for a reasonable cost and size investment in the future. I got the piano gloss finish and it is gorgeous. Even my fiance was impressed compared to the pedestrian look of the old PB12. The sub is solid, heavy, and sturdy exhibiting the excellent build quality SVS is known for. The driver is impressive and I was really taken by the material used and it's sturdiness. The first thing I did when I got it out the box was place it in my main listening position, crawl around the front of my room, and compare the two front corner positions to see which one worked best. I decided to place it in the front right corner, set the Sledge volume to -5dB, run Audyssey on my Marantz AV7005, and get to listening.
This Is Not What I Expected
To be honest, my inital impression when first listening was..."where is the bass?". The bass was not very powerful or impactful with various music I tried spanning Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, and Pop. Granted, I wasn't able to really turn the volume up beyond -25dB on the Marantz due to the time of day but it was extremely difficult to discern the contribution of the sub to the overall sound. I tried turning off the mains several times to evaluate the sub's sound alone and still found the sound kind of "empty". The next day I gave SVS a call and they gave me some things to try to isolate the issue. I verified that it was not an issue with the Marantz by sending a signal directly from my Oppo-93 player. The levels were still roughly the same. The SVS rep suspected it may just be room issues but I initially was relunctant to believe that for two reasons: 1) The sound from the SB13 did not sound as full as the PB12 throughout the audio band in the same room, and 2) playing some test tones revealed that the levels decreased dramatically in my room below 60hz (we're talking like -15-20db and stayed down to the limits of the sub around 22hz). After several more days of evaluation, I resolved both concerns. The most recent location for my PB12 was on the opposite front corner, so it wasn't really an apples to apples comparison. At one point, I did have the PB12 on the same side as the SB13, but found the sound thin and moved it to the opposite side. I wanted to leave the SB13 on the right side for room aestetics so I was going to try the get satisfactory performance in that location. Furthermore, I obtained some new test tones that worked better than the initial ones which apparently weren't recorded at the same levels thus invaliding my freq response data.
Light At The End Of The Tunnel
After obtaining new test tones I manually charted the frequency response at my main position and discovered I have a large null at 45hz and a peak from 75-90hz. I then used the P-EQ to flatten those out best I could. Finally, I moved my couch back about a foot from the center of my room which has a null and did some listening. Now I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Tracks that should have full booming bass do now and I can hear it with much more impact at my listening position. The bass is certainly tighter than my PB12-NSD with much less distortion that reduces unwanted noises such as shuffing and rattling. I still am not sure I hear the difference with the "accuracy" and "articulation" of the bass when compared to the PB12. That could be do to either the room still or the source material I'm using so like I said, I want to give it more time before I give a full evaluation. The next thing is to spend more times with movies to see if my tweaking has helped. Using a DTS sampler disc I received from CES2011, I found some of my favorite tracks lacking in the sub-30hz region compared to the PB12. Again, that could be do to the more complete corner loading I had with the PB12. I also haven't listened to movies since I made the last round of tweaks with the parametric EQ. So look for some follow up impressions with movies by the end of this week.
Summary
Pros:
- Tight controlled bass
- Low distortion makes listening more pleasant and louder levels less disruptive
- Great aestetics and finish
- Flexible with lots of DSP controls for tweaking
Cons:
- Difficult to get sounding up to it's potential in my room
- Lacking in the ultra-low end (sub-30hz region) when compared to the cheaper ported PB12
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MY FINAL WORD. JUST MY IMPRESSIONS UP TO THIS POINT. THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF TESTING I NEED TO DO AND VARIABLES I NEED TO ELIMINATE BEFORE I CAN GIVE A CONFIDENT AND FAIR EVALUATION.

Well, I think I can say a bit more about my SB13-ultra after several weeks. I still haven't had the chance to watch a bunch of movies, but I watched Brave and Men In Black IIII (Blu-Rays) at my pleasure volume (~-15dB) and plenty of HD TV. Forget everything I mentioned about the output sounding lacking. This sub can definitely bang and rock the house! I'm not sure what happend as I didn't perform any other adjustments since my last post except to steadily reduce the volume due to the bass being overwhelming at times. Around the time I created my impression post, I had the sub level adjusted to -5dB on the Sledge amp and -5dB in the Marantz processor. I later tried to increase to Sledge amp volume to 0dB (as recommended by SVS) and left it at that for a while. But once I started wathing sports, TV movies, and full Blu-Ray movies I realized that was too much. I'm currently down to -5dB on the Sledge and the min of -12dB in the processor and still considering reducing it further. The difference in perceived output from the 1st week is astounding. Can we say "break in"? I've never been one to believe in break in from my towers, amps and other electronics but that is the only thing I can think of at this point.

With the output being plentiful, I thought that the sound on Brave was really impressive. Plenty of presence and thump when it needed to be. MIB III was actually an extremely bass heavy track and the SB13-ultra delivered it with plenty of authority. The part towards the end where the space shuttle was about to launch made my house (and probably my neighbors) cry. Considering how open my space is and that the sub is not in a fully corner loaded position, it's really impressive just how much power it has and how much bass it can deliver. Given the room size and acoustics, it isn't able to pressurize the room, but neither could my PB12-NSD for the same reasons. The output is still cleaner, faster, and "clearer" than my previous PB12-NSD so that it a positive. However, I wouldn't say that the difference in sound quality is night and day by any means. The signature of the sound from the sealed box is "different" than the ported one and took me some time to get used to. That is not to say that it is worse and actually leaves me with the impression that it is more "accurate".

Overall I'm very happy with the performance now. I don't have a reference for comparison like the JL fathom, velodyne DD+, and Hsu ULS15 in my home, but I can say without a doubt it is a very solid sub, especially for the price (a fraction of the cost of many of it's competitors). I still may have to tweak as time goes on to optimize the integration with the rest of my system but I look forward to putting it into a more optimal room and adding a second one down the line smile.gif
post #9504 of 15623
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Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post

[*] These WAF issues still remain, but the planning of a kitchen remodel seems to have relaxed the constraints in the den, or else distracted the Eye of Sauron sufficiently to allow the plan to hatch.

I wish I had a dollar for every dollar I had to match (in my Home Theater purchases) due to the infamous WAF!! For example, when I bought my Pioneer KURO Elite three years ago, I thought I got a great deal online buying it for $4600...turns out I paid $9200 for it! eek.gif
Edited by djoberg - 12/28/12 at 7:39pm
post #9505 of 15623
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Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post


[*] These WAF issues still remain, but the planning of a kitchen remodel seems to have relaxed the constraints in the den, or else distracted the Eye of Sauron sufficiently to allow the plan to hatch.

"Eye of Sauron", man, that's really funny.
post #9506 of 15623
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

"Eye of Sauron", man, that's really funny.

Agreed I almost spit my coffee out lol. I am trying to sneak a new avr and separates into mordor without it seeing me too lol
post #9507 of 15623
Funny as Mordor is more like my HT setup itself with the two black towers. Yet I just came back from a week of vacations in a country house. Man was that relaxing, yet this means precious vacation days away from my subs... Hope to be able to watch a movie very soon.
post #9508 of 15623
Welcome home! Now get watching hahah! Supposedly some good bass movies coming out soon ( looper and dredd) not to mention total recall 2012
post #9509 of 15623
Here are some pictures of my SVS subs and amp for sale if anyones interested all in great condition


The amp is a SAMSON SX1200 watt amp
Also still have original boxes if your looking for a couple of serious subs these are it. I downsized at (wifes request) now just use a Trinity
post #9510 of 15623
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Originally Posted by JAMES MCHUGHES View Post

Here are some pictures of my SVS subs and amp for sale if anyones interested all in great condition

These are passive subs? What model? Also, where are you located?
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