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post #9541 of 15598
Yeah i know about the reply button, doesn't seem to work on my ipad though.

Missed Airgas's reply, thanks buddy.
Edited by luvthefloyd - 1/5/13 at 2:28pm
post #9542 of 15598
you think these 2 pink floyd albums are best to show off a sound system?
post #9543 of 15598
Does ps3 play sacd? I have an old fat 60 gb one

I'm ineterested. Right now I'm addicted to pandora but it is becoming repetitive
post #9544 of 15598
Warning: obvious attempt to steer conversation back on topic follows.
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

you think these 2 pink floyd albums are best to show off a sound system?

The number, duration and sonic diversity of the tracks on "Dark Side of the Moon" make it far better suited to audio demonstration, as has been the case in its various formats since release.

My PC12-NSD picked up the opening heartbeat and revealed Waters' bass lines* in ways I'd not heard before. While "Time" is known for its very trebbly chimes and ticks, it has a solid amount of bass which a decent sub, such as one from SV Sound, Inc., will reveal. Break that out into an excellent 5.1 channel mix at 96 kHz/24-bit by James Guthrie (subsequently used on the BD in the "Immersion" set) and you'll be hearing all sorts of things you never heard on the album before.


NP: "Interstellar Overdrive" from "Relics".

*[or Gilmour's - at least the fretless, but allegedly more]
post #9545 of 15598
Well done! Lol
post #9546 of 15598
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Does ps3 play sacd? I have an old fat 60 gb one
I'm ineterested. Right now I'm addicted to pandora but it is becoming repetitive

what are u using to stream pandora?
post #9547 of 15598
Before the onkyo 809

I was using the USB from my phone. Now I use my new Apple TV streaming from my phone
post #9548 of 15598
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Before the onkyo 809
I was using the USB from my phone. Now I use my new Apple TV streaming from my phone

same as me biggrin.gif i stream from my iphone to the apple tv.
post #9549 of 15598
I bought an As-EQ1, so will SVS give me a repeat buyer discount on a sub?
post #9550 of 15598
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

you think these 2 pink floyd albums are best to show off a sound system?

There's a pretty good thread on this topic at Audioholics, from earlier this year. Discussed suggestions include CDs, some SACDs, DVD Audio discs, and some Blu-Rays.
post #9551 of 15598
smile.gif Just ordered Dual-PC12-NSD's!! Haha hope to have them for this coming weekend!! 14x14x8 room...
post #9552 of 15598
What's the ported PB1000 and ported PB12 NSD like for port chuffing? I absolutely can't stand that sound. My current sub (Z5500) has a pillow stuffed in the port because of it.

I'm guessing a PB1000 with a sock stuffed in won't sound anything like an SB1000?
post #9553 of 15598
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Originally Posted by dizzyscure1 View Post

smile.gif Just ordered Dual-PC12-NSD's!! Haha hope to have them for this coming weekend!! 14x14x8 room...

Welcome!! and make sure to post your thoughts after youve had a chance to listen!! pics are always fun too;)
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Originally Posted by Ak Gara View Post

What's the ported PB1000 and ported PB12 NSD like for port chuffing? I absolutely can't stand that sound. My current sub (Z5500) has a pillow stuffed in the port because of it.
I'm guessing a PB1000 with a sock stuffed in won't sound anything like an SB1000?

I never hear chuffing from my single pb12
post #9554 of 15598
Glowing review of the SB13 Ultra in this month's Home Theater. Makes me want one of them even more biggrin.gif
post #9555 of 15598
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Originally Posted by Ak Gara View Post

What's the ported PB1000 and ported PB12 NSD like for port chuffing? I absolutely can't stand that sound. My current sub (Z5500) has a pillow stuffed in the port because of it.
I'm guessing a PB1000 with a sock stuffed in won't sound anything like an SB1000?

The Logitech Z-5500 isn't even in the same league as a SVS sub. The Z-5500 is tuned around 34Hz, so it chuffs anytime it attempts to play lower bass < 34Hz at high volume. I've only heard my SVS PB10-NSD chuff once and that was on the War of the Worlds Pod scene. I was also playing that at -10db from Reference with Dynamic EQ turned on. So probably a little much for my PB10 to handle.
Edited by Shadowdane - 1/7/13 at 11:13am
post #9556 of 15598
Quote:
What's the ported PB1000 and ported PB12 NSD like for port chuffing? ... My current sub (Z5500) has a pillow stuffed in the port because of it.
I owned the older, BASH-equipped PB10-NSD and PB12-NSD and neither of them ever made a bad sound. I've heard the Z5500 sub (a buddy of mine had that system before he upgraded) and anything from SVS will crush it. Not a flame, just a fact.

If you're worried about the (very remote) possibility of chuffing, get an SB-1000 or, if you can swing the extra cash, the SB12-NSD.
post #9557 of 15598
Logitech Z-5500

post #9558 of 15598
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Originally Posted by dizzyscure1 View Post

smile.gif Just ordered Dual-PC12-NSD's!! Haha hope to have them for this coming weekend!! 14x14x8 room...

I have two PC12-NSD's in my 15'x16'x9' room. They work great! You should really enjoy them!
post #9559 of 15598
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Logitech Z-5500

Man that is funny....hits home if you had/have kids that age.
post #9560 of 15598
I have questions regarding the PB-12 Plus.

Recently, I was watching the blu-ray movie Underworld Awakening. During the scenes of the Big Bad Wolf, the PB-12 just could not handle the foot stumps of the mighty werewolf. I have my Onkyo receiver at the extremely loud level between -10.0 to 0.0.

The foot stumps of the mighty giant werewolf made the PB-12 driver rattles with flapping sounds. It was showing signs of stress. I ran the Audessey test with the Onkyo and the Onkyo set the subwoofer volume at -5.0. The volume on the PB-12 is set at -10.0.

I am wondering if the sound recording of the movie Underworld Awakening got too much bass. Or there is something wrong with the PB-12 driver. Maybe the recording studio from this movie set the bass level too high. When the mighty giant werewolf is not appearing in this movie, the PB-12 sounds FANTASTIC!!

I set the PB-12 Plus in the corner about 5 inches from the back wall and side wall. My room size is about 28ft x 19ft x 9ft with 3 open entry ways to the room.

Anyone who own the PB-12 Plus having the same issue?
Edited by mantaraydesign - 1/7/13 at 1:13pm
post #9561 of 15598
Hi guys,

I'm here to report a successful "night with the guys" predominantly featuring the dual PC12-Pluses.

The first minutes were kind of tense as I made last-minute adjustments just before the guys were coming and did not have a chance to test them. Basically I wanted to raise the gain on the subs' amps as much as possible while lowering the AVR sub trim, as per Lecter's (and Ed Mullen's) recommendations. Alas my AVR is limited to -12 dB attenuation so I could not go higher than -14 and -11 dB on the subs. I ended up re-calibrating the subs at 75 dB before my friends came and did not have the chance to test the setup before firing up a welcome "Bass, I Love You". It was a disaster (well not really but it was not up to par, we had trouble listening to the final, very very low note). I ended up running the subs about 6-8 dB hot for the night to fix that. And even now they're still at least 3-4 dB hot.

I think I know why I need to run the subs hot though. I'm using a house curve which brings the 20-30 Hz range about 6 dB hotter than the 80 Hz region. The goal is to compensate for the loss in human ear perception at those frequencies; anyway, at 20 Hz, we feel it more than we hear it so it doesn't affect balance for music that much or even at all I'd say. However the SPL meter readily picks that up, so the 75 dB I was reading was mostly energy in the 15-30 Hz octave. When adjusting sub level it's more important that the crossover region is smooth so that's why I had to bump the gain 6 dB. It adds up -- the 15-30 Hz octave now being 6 dB higher than the 80 Hz region as expected with the house curve. So important lesson learned: if using a house curve, sub level must be matched with the overall FR, not using a single SPL reading.

Back to that night... Once the subs were at proper listening levels, the guys were amazed. One of the guys came in late and missed the early stuff and was a bit skeptical. The others guys were grinning, pushing him to the living room. But he seemed genuinely shocked by the "Bass, I Love You" demo. Of course however, the Bass Disc scenes were the true success stories. We rant the WotW pod scene at -8 dB from reference (thus bringing the 15-30 Hz octave very close to reference, you'll remember). That was awesome -- the couches and floor were shaking, people walking outside were looking at the house with concerned faces. Nobody present ever felt that before biggrin.gif (though I must say nobody own much subwoofage to begin with in this circle, for now).

The only thing which was a bit of a disappointment / puzzlement was that techno music produced quite a bit of slam but surprisingly little chest thump, even at quite high volume. I was at a Christmas party a few weeks before and the JBL monitors there had more thump. I wonder then if chest thump is produced higher than 80 Hz -- meaning my towers with 6.5-in woofer couldn't cut it; or maybe the PCs being down-firing? Or the 12-in woofers are not large enough? I'm guessing the first hypothesis is the correct one... chest thump is found maybe more at 100-150 Hz. I did not have the occasion to test 20 Hz tuning though (the subs are currently tuned to 16 Hz), I'll report back when I have the chance on that topic. Also I wonder if I should try some way to attenuate the AVR sub pre out further to raise the gain on the subs. Not sure if there are cheap attenuators and what that would do on the auto on/off feature of the subs; or whether I should just switch from the BFD to the MiniDSP for EQ (the MiniDSP can attenuate I think). Or, whether I should upgrade my AVR entirely biggrin.gif

Anyway, great night. Next step: listening to a whole movie at -10 dB or higher. Should be doable before the end of January. wink.gif
post #9562 of 15598
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

I have questions regarding the PB-12 Plus.
Recently, I was watching the blu-ray movie Underworld Awakening. During the scenes of the Big Bad Wolf, the PB-12 just could not handle the foot stumps of the mighty werewolf. I have my Onkyo receiver at the extremely loud level between -10.0 to 0.0.
The foot stumps of the mighty giant werewolf made the PB-12 driver rattles with flapping sounds. It was showing signs of stress. I ran the Audessey test with the Onkyo and the Onkyo set the subwoofer volume at -5.0. The volume on the PB-12 is set at -10.0.
I am wondering if the sound recording of the movie Underworld Awakening got too much bass. Or there is something wrong with the PB-12 driver. Maybe the recording studio from this movie set the bass level too high. When the mighty giant werewolf is not appearing in this movie, the PB-12 sounds FANTASTIC!!
I set the PB-12 Plus in the corner about 5 inches from the back wall and side wall. My room size is about 28ft x 19ft x 9ft with 3 open entry ways to the room.
Anyone who own the PB-12 Plus having the same issue?

Mantaray -- you were asking questions about tuning before. It is quite important to adjust both 1) the tuning frequency on the sub amp AND 2) plug the correct number of ports when playing with tuning. Not sure about that but distressing the driver could occur if, for example, you're lowering the tuning frequency on the sub without plugging the port. The tuning frequency on the amp adjust the high-pass filter to limit excursion at frequencies below the tuning frequency. Below the tuning frequency, the driver has very little back-pressure resistance and thus can produce bad sound and even be damaged.
post #9563 of 15598
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Originally Posted by tomrowe125 View Post

Glowing review of the SB13 Ultra in this month's Home Theater. Makes me want one of them even more biggrin.gif

Another review from Digital Trends on 1/4/13 is even more glowing:

"If there is a more perfect subwoofer in production today, we haven’t heard it yet"

Review Link: http://www.digitaltrends.com/subwoofer-reviews/svs-sb13-ultra-review/#ixzz2HKe69CbB
post #9564 of 15598
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

I have questions regarding the PB-12 Plus.
Recently, I was watching the blu-ray movie Underworld Awakening. During the scenes of the Big Bad Wolf, the PB-12 just could not handle the foot stumps of the mighty werewolf. I have my Onkyo receiver at the extremely loud level between -10.0 to 0.0.
The foot stumps of the mighty giant werewolf made the PB-12 driver rattles with flapping sounds. It was showing signs of stress. I ran the Audessey test with the Onkyo and the Onkyo set the subwoofer volume at -5.0. The volume on the PB-12 is set at -10.0.
I am wondering if the sound recording of the movie Underworld Awakening got too much bass. Or there is something wrong with the PB-12 driver. Maybe the recording studio from this movie set the bass level too high. When the mighty giant werewolf is not appearing in this movie, the PB-12 sounds FANTASTIC!!
I set the PB-12 Plus in the corner about 5 inches from the back wall and side wall. My room size is about 28ft x 19ft x 9ft with 3 open entry ways to the room.
Anyone who own the PB-12 Plus having the same issue?

If you were using Dynamic EQ on your receiver during this movie, that feature turns up the sub (and the surrounds) relative to the other channels--that might have overdriven your sub.
post #9565 of 15598
Hello all. I'm new to SVS, I just picked up a 25-31 PCI that looks like Brand New (I found it on craigslist) I can't believe how blown away I am by this thing. It hits hard, very fast and goes sub 20 in my room. I'm really very surprised as I just sold my HSU VTF-15H as I was planning on getting the SVS SB-13 ultra after the holidays. I bought this on a wim to hold me over and I like it better than my HSU. Is the new PB-12 plus as good as this, now I'm thinking on going with the PB-13 ultra as I love the tube sound. Any thoughts on someone who had a 25-31 PCI and upgraded.
post #9566 of 15598
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

If you were using Dynamic EQ on your receiver during this movie, that feature turns up the sub (and the surrounds) relative to the other channels--that might have overdriven your sub.


Not a bad idea, let me give that a try and turn OFF the Dynamic EQ.

The people from SVS have told me for the size of my room, DO NOT use the any of the 3 foam plugs. I will get more power if I leave all 3 port holes open. They also told me not to make any changes on the Onkyo receiver after running the Audyssey. AND not make any changes to the PB-12 Plus once I bought it.

All the things they have told to do but the PB-12 Plus just can not handle Underworld Awakening movie. The foot stumps of the giant werewolf is just too much for the PB-12. Maybe I am just listening extremely loud and I need to turn down the volume a little.

Is listening at volume on the receiver at 0.0 consider too loud? What is the loudest volume level from a receiver you should listen at? My Onkyo is rated at 140 watts x 7 Channels.
post #9567 of 15598
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Not a bad idea, let me give that a try and turn OFF the Dynamic EQ.
The people from SVS have told me for the size of my room, DO NOT use the any of the 3 foam plugs. I will get more power if I leave all 3 port holes open. They also told me not to make any changes on the Onkyo receiver after running the Audyssey. AND not make any changes to the PB-12 Plus once I bought it.
All the things they have told to do but the PB-12 Plus just can not handle Underworld Awakening movie. The foot stumps of the giant werewolf is just too much for the PB-12. Maybe I am just listening extremely loud and I need to turn down the volume a little.
Is listening at volume on the receiver at 0.0 consider too loud? What is the loudest volume level from a receiver you should listen at? My Onkyo is rated at 140 watts x 7 Channels.

considering if you have everything dialed in properly...um yeah listening at reference(0db) is loud very loud.
post #9568 of 15598
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Paradigm Cinema 400 (3) Cinema 200 (2),Elite SC-61, 65VT50, Oppo103 and Panamax MR4300. By the 9th I will have both of the twins to make this really POP!
post #9569 of 15598
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Paradigm Cinema 400 (3) Cinema 200 (2),Elite SC-61, 65VT50, Oppo103 and Panamax MR4300. By the 9th I will have both of the twins to make this really POP!
Edited by dizzyscure1 - 1/7/13 at 5:23pm
post #9570 of 15598
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

considering if you have everything dialed in properly...um yeah listening at reference(0db) is loud very loud.


Wow!

I was thinking of turning the volume even louder towards the + side. I just need to lower the volume a little before I blow up the PB-12 Plus. LOL!

When I get a chance tomorrow, I will try to turn OFF the Dynamic EQ and see how the PB-12 Plus will handle.

But make no mistake, the PB-12 Plus is a very powerful subwoofer!! My room is pretty large and the PB-12 was able to shake my funiture, walls and objects on the coffee table. I felt the powerful bass waves hitting my body. Talk about bone shattering bass!! The bass was very tight and fast and controlled as well.

My previous subwoofer was the Definitive Technology Supercube Reference and did not perform as well as the PB-12 Plus. I might have to try the PB13-ULTRA later and see if it can bring down my home. LOL!
Edited by mantaraydesign - 1/7/13 at 5:15pm
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