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post #151 of 3254
Hi
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Originally Posted by eapleitez View Post

This looks like a great solution for those like me who want a grayscale calibration without the high cost! I was wondering if the help files will be translated to english, cause I don't know where to begin. I don't have my Spyder yet, but will soon. Any tutorials for noobs like me out there?

We will produce an English help file... but it's a long work, and we are not an enterprise, we all do that during our free time

Anyway, we hope having this full english documentation for early 2007... You have to be patient... If you are not, maybe you can find information in other software documentation... I think you can download demo versions of commercial products and read explanation... A luminance histogram, RGB histogram, CIE chart and other concepts are the same for every body. If you understand the concepts, you can use any software

Regards
Georges
post #152 of 3254
cool, thanks
post #153 of 3254
Can this new HCFR software be used with a Spyder2 to calibrate an LCD projector?
post #154 of 3254
With Spyder II express, comes a UserGuide. PDF file that includes Pro. Seems to help with HCFR, but I'm a new to this as well.
post #155 of 3254
A very nice piece of software!

I used it to do some quit measurements with my SPyder2. I noticed that the read time of the IRE 30' during a 10 step grey scale measurement is very short, about 1 second.

And I would like to put something on the wish list'. It would be nice to see the average gamma as a numeric value. Now I have to switch to logarithmic and hover my mouse over the average gamma line to get a numeric value.

Keep up the good work!!

Gr, Bastiaan
post #156 of 3254
Thanks you all for your support

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Originally Posted by <^..^>Smokey Joe View Post

I am curious though about the starting point without a reference file and making a calibration upon a screen that is probably out of calibration.
How are the reference files made? Do they come as they are from the manufactures, or are they created from reference material infomation and you have made them to suit this software?

If you don't have reference/profile for your projector, the software will then consider your white as being ok (D65). Obviously it may not be the case and then you will have to keep in mind that triyng to have RGB levels exactly stacked ir not necessary ok... Apart from this all other stuff is not dependent on profile.

Obviously this is only for our probe others don't need reference/profiles.

Our proble don't (yet) use any filtering on sensors, and as each light source has it's own caracteristics we have to build a reference/profile. This is basically done by measuring a given projector with a high precision spectrophotometer and our probe, then building a conversion matrix.

--Patrice
post #157 of 3254
When I calibrate my CRT RP HDTV, do I remove the filter attachment on the Spyder2?
post #158 of 3254
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Originally Posted by HDholic View Post

When I calibrate my CRT RP HDTV, do I remove the filter attachment on the Spyder2?

That's what i like to know as wel?

Peter
post #159 of 3254
Hi, there is a few bugs within the PAL DVD iso's, both v1.1.3 and v1.1.4

v1.1.3

The saturation section of RGB and CMY are not full screen,16:9, they look like small clickable icons.

All other sections seem ok.

v1.1.4

The Saturation section.

RGB 16:9 and all ok.

Cyan is in 4:3

Magenta is in 4:3

Yellow is ok 16:9

Niveaux de gris complimentaries

0=>4 all crash stop the DVD

96=>100 all crash stop the DVD

This appears to be all the bugs I can find within the DVD.

My setup.

Panansonic HT520 Player
Component cables
Panasonic AE900E

DVD made with an LG GSA4167B and imgBurn software.

Ok, I was wondering if there is a way to reference the probe to know if it is working as it should be. I have noticed 1 of the 2 sensors measures at different speeds. Also I can't seem to get my Laptop measurements to work and this makes me wonder if my probe is not working correctly.

My Acer laptop chc is attached to this post.

I was wondering about a DIY reference tool using LEDs, say RGB and maybe white iluminating at a given voltage.

Oh and I have noticed also one reason my probe drops from time to time. When my laptop does a cache the probe can lose connection if this happens whilst the softare and probe are making a measurement.

Regards
Smokey Joe

 

AcerLaptop run0001.zip 1.9912109375k . file
post #160 of 3254
Joe, you clearly have a problem with your probe... RGB should be close to each reference...
Sensors values are too close (green almost identical) that is not normal.
(I assume you are measuring in dark room without any other light than your projector or screen).

Can you try measure with second sensor ? (although it may not change as they are almost in parallel.

As for DVD, I never use it, so won't be of good help, AFAIK 1.1.3 should be ok, the saturation is known to be wrong (you must change menu prior starting mesure to have full screen ones) That was suposed to be fixed in 1.1.4, but looks like there is other problems with it (it is pretty recent) we will check.

--Patrice
post #161 of 3254
I just got a spyder 2 express, and I am new to this whole calibration thing.

I was wondering if I should calibrate with the spyder filter on or off? Also I have a Panasonic 50phd8uk plasma screen, which configuration profile should I use (it look like most of them are for projectors)?
post #162 of 3254
I beleive you keep the filter on.
post #163 of 3254
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Originally Posted by mattvds View Post

I just got a spyder 2 express, and I am new to this whole calibration thing.

I was wondering if I should calibrate with the spyder filter on or off? Also I have a Panasonic 50phd8uk plasma screen, which configuration profile should I use (it look like most of them are for projectors)?

I think in Rader's spreadsheet thread it was said to always use the spider with the filter in place.

There are several places to get info before attempting to use sophisticated calibration software like HCFR.

The getgray read-me is a good starting place:
http://www.calibrate.tv/docs/GetGrayCalDiscReadme.zip

Rader's spreadsheet thread has a great deal of info on calibrating with a Spyder calorimeter:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post6295533

The documentation for the pro-level accucal software is available for download at their site:
http://www.accucal.org/i1PRODCS%20Docs.htm

The FAQ thread talks mainly about using disks like Avia for calibrating TV's with CRT technology but it still has some useful information:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=585527
post #164 of 3254
Many thanks to the HCFR team. The software worked great for me to calibrate my Sony LCD RPTV (KDF-E50A10) using a spider2express with the getgray DVD as the source. Just a fantastic piece of software.
post #165 of 3254
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Originally Posted by HDholic View Post

When I calibrate my CRT RP HDTV, do I remove the filter attachment on the Spyder2?

Anyone? I know other programs specify to leave filter on but who knows if HCFR uses a different profile or different conversion values.
post #166 of 3254
quick question for those with spyder2: does the included software have the /support switch? I'd like to use it to imput data into radar's spreadsheet for comparison.
post #167 of 3254
I broke my probe You were right Laric, 1 sensor was not responding to RGB only luminance, I could tell by running the real time meter, very nice addition by the way.....but I then went and retouched the solder to make sure of contacts.
Now neither sensor will calibrate and the real time graph shows no readings for RGB for both sensors, only luminance

This may be the reason my probe kept dropping aswell.

Looking with a 10x magnifiy glass I could not see damage on sensors from overheat.

What to do?

I have enough parts to build another, but I couldn't quite get the same looking Caps as the pictures show. The same values though,Ceramic type, just different color to yours. I did check with a electronics chap, he thought they would be ok.

I could just build another, but would really like to find the fault with current so if i caused the fault I don't repeat the error.

Short of desoldering each componet is there a way to check vital parts for error?

Any suggestions Laric, George?

Smokey Joe
post #168 of 3254
Quote:
Originally Posted by eapleitez View Post

quick question for those with spyder2: does the included software have the /support switch? I'd like to use it to imput data into radar's spreadsheet for comparison.

Yes, it appears to. I uninstalled my old SpyderTV program but left the desktop link for the support switch. And then I installed my new SpyderTV PRO software, and the support switch function still operates, and it also shows that it's doing so with the new SpyderTV PRO software.
post #169 of 3254
How do you use spyder 2 express to calibrate a front projector when it does not come with the tripod holder? I assume you need to position the probe in front of the screen somehow?
post #170 of 3254
Hi !!

I have just carried out my first calibration and the results are very good apart from my gamma. All other graphs look OK but gamma not. When i was trying to fix it pic quality decreased. Maybe any one here all ready have used this software to calibrate plasma screen. BTW I am using Spyder2 sensor.
LL
post #171 of 3254
Thanks PJis the calibration software ready yet in English, I checked the website and it still says French only? If there is a link to the update, could someone please post it?
post #172 of 3254
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Originally Posted by lukassk View Post

Hi !!

I have just carried out my first calibration and the results are very good apart from my gamma. All other graphs look OK but gamma not. When i was trying to fix it pic quality decreased. Maybe any one here all ready have used this software to calibrate plasma screen. BTW I am using Spyder2 sensor.

For plasma screens, you should use 10% window patterns. I recognize above graph as readings from full field?

For some reason, is the power-supply in plasma screens almost always under-dimensioned...

// Lyckman
post #173 of 3254
Yes !!
That is true, I was using full screen test patterns. Why was there such a diffrence ?? Do you know if I should use a filter like the one for LCD screens or take it off like for calibrating CRT ???
Thank you in advance for any help !!
And for those guys who developed this software - THANK YOU very much !!! Great Job !!!

thanks
post #174 of 3254
Someone told me it is due to the power supplies, in most plasmas cannot provide enough current to drive all cells to 100% luminance simultainously. What you see in the gamma-curve is the device "clipping" at higher levels.

According to colorvision, the spyder2 sensor should always have the baffle (filter) mounted, independent of display type.

// Lyckman
post #175 of 3254
Hey folks,

Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong?... Can't seem to get the latest
software to read my Spyder probe correctly... The same probe works great
with the Spyder "support" option and S2fly. The real time "Measures"
always shows x=0 y=1.

Here's the settings I'm using:

File -> New -> DVD Manual -> Spyder II
Model -> Defaut
Calib Mode -> PROJ

Tried both cvspyder version 4.0.0.5 and 4.1.0.1


Any ideas?
LL
LL
LL
post #176 of 3254
Hi Again !!
Those are my graphs after few hours of tweaking. Any suggestions how to make it totally flat ??

Thanks
LL
LL
post #177 of 3254
Can someone please confirm this. I want to calibrate my set.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDholic View Post

When I calibrate my CRT RP HDTV, do I remove the filter attachment on the Spyder2?
post #178 of 3254
lukassk, seems pretty good, we usually try to be in the 3 DeltaE target, you are close...
Can you post the .chc file ?

As for other questions re Spyder (or DTP 94) I cannot answer I don't have any of those probes...

--Patrice
post #179 of 3254
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyckman View Post

According to colorvision, the spyder2 sensor should always have the baffle (filter) mounted, independent of display type.

// Lyckman

HDHolic,

I'll quote myself.. some posts up...

// Lyckman
post #180 of 3254
Thank you

You can replace your dll by the above one... BTW, a v1.11 is now available on our page : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/index_en.php

--Patrice
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