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post #31 of 83
10/19/06 at 12:47pm
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post #32 of 83
10/19/06 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE
"Shipping on or about DEC 4th"
Who here really believes that this is finally the real ship date?

And if you do believe this is finally it, what makes you believe?
post #33 of 83
10/19/06 at 1:28pm
All this "they postponed it for the PS3" discussion is moot, IMO. I highly doubt that Sony didn't know they were going to be short diodes and need to postpone until today. As I see it, it's just another case of Sony stringing its loyal customers along a little at a time like a donkey chasing a carrot tied to a stick. What has Sony done lately that gives anyone any confidence that the player really will be available Dec 4th? and not another delay announced just days before?
post #34 of 83
10/19/06 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by b.greenway
But who could resist an offer like this!
http://www.sonystyle.com/intershopro...discplayer.jpg
Viodentia :)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1992593.cms

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/27/v...airuse4wm-1-3/
post #35 of 83
10/19/06 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by b.greenway
It would seem as if fighting two battles at once can be quite problematic.
Not really, see above. :D
post #36 of 83
10/19/06 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man
Not really, see above. :D
Are you implying Viodentia is a Sony employee? :eek:
post #37 of 83
10/19/06 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by reshp1
All this "they postponed it for the PS3" discussion is moot, IMO. I highly doubt that Sony didn't know they were going to be short diodes and need to postpone until today. As I see it, it's just another case of Sony stringing its loyal customers along a little at a time like a donkey chasing a carrot tied to a stick. What has Sony done lately that gives anyone any confidence that the player really will be available Dec 4th? and not another delay announced just days before?
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I BAILED.
post #38 of 83
10/19/06 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I BAILED.
Good move.
post #39 of 83
10/19/06 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Blu-Devil
I just can't see Sony delaying the BDP-S1 to pass the diodes onto the PS3.

How many BDP-S1's do we expect Sony to sell, 10,000-20,000 max? Thats a drop in the ocean compared to the PS3's 400,000 units.

The BDP-S1 is delayed for another reason IMO.

You're right. The Sony has substantially inferior PQ to the Panny unit and needs more work.
post #40 of 83
10/19/06 at 4:06pm
With all due respect how does anyone know this yet?

:)
post #41 of 83
10/19/06 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by b.greenway
Are you implying Viodentia is a Sony employee? :eek:
Not at all. (in case Andy Cookson is reading). :eek:
post #42 of 83
10/19/06 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man
Not at all. (in case Andy Cookson is reading). :eek:
But you seem to have an insiders take on Sony. Not implying that you are a Sony insider but BD seems to get a pass as far as insider information is concerned, but M$ does not on the AVS forums. For all you folks That Are Insiders, please identify yourselves as insiders. Penton - Man not saying that you are.

But for those that are, please identify the company you work for. Some identify as BD supporters but will not disclose the Co. they work for. Why?
post #43 of 83
10/19/06 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by alfbinet
But you seem to have an insiders take on Sony. Not implying that you are a Sony insider but BD seems to get a pass as far as insider information is concerned, but M$ does not on the AVS forums. For all you folks That Are Insiders, please identify yourselves as insiders. Penton - Man not saying that you are.

But for those that are, please identify the company you work for. Some identify as BD supporters but will not disclose the Co. they work for. Why?
With all this going on from lauch date, can you really blame em?

The operative word here is "Deja Vu" and Dec 4th is Groundhog Day for BluRay fans.
post #44 of 83
10/19/06 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by MSpeed6
Priorites man. Battle against microsoft is more important then selling some blu ray players to the rich.
Bingo.
M$ backed HD-DVD as part of the GAME war. Even the MPEG2 vs VC1 is a bigger battle than the "going no where" HD front. For many months, there will be ~no $$$ in HD discs and no format winner. It did not even matter that $ony produced garbage BD titles. It does not matter that Sony is not even making a BD player. So far, it all adds up to a big ZERO.

The GAME war is big. Live or die for Sony. I must say, as a long term, hard core M$ basher, that M$ has acted with much more dignity than Sony. But, I don't game so I don't care.

Keep one thing in mind. The studios, not CEs, are the losers due to the format war. AND, there is only one reason that we even have a format war - THE STUDIOS. Even now, the war is instantly over if the studios decide to produce titles in both formats. The difference - studios could put extra on BD and charge extra - well, I mean every one except Sony doing MPEG2 to selling less for more.

Please, let's not hear about the extra pennies to do dics in both formats. And, I'm not interested in how Netflix's machines would have to recognize more unique lot numbers. Re B&M, sorry - do not care - carry one or the other, both or neither.

To quote the trash collector working in a building during the development of Space Telescope - "It don't matter, eventually, I get it all."
post #45 of 83
10/19/06 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by Head Shot
...Groundhog Day for BluRay fans.
LOL. Wow, imagine waking up to the news of another Sony delay and thinking it must be - yesterday again. Just to realize it is just another day and just another delay.
post #46 of 83
10/20/06 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by MrPorterhouse
Its pretty simple. Sony needs every last Blue Diode for the PS3
That makes sense in some ways, but I'm not totally sure of that.

Even Sony must realize that the PS3 will not have as high an attach rate as the standalone players - so movie sales will suffer for every diode which is diverted to the PS3.

Movie sales are what is going to "win" the format war, so this would not be a brilliant move on their part, unless simply to save the PS3 at expense of Bluray format.
post #47 of 83
10/20/06 at 10:41am
Good thing that's nothing to do with either HD DVD or Bluray :)
post #48 of 83
10/20/06 at 10:44am
rdjam,

That is exactly what they are doing. There is another thread here that indicates that Sony isnt going to make their year end PS3 shipments. So, they are probably saving the diodes to increase the PS3 numbers, so they dont look too horrible.
post #49 of 83
10/20/06 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr
Bingo.
M$ backed HD-DVD as part of the GAME war. Even the MPEG2 vs VC1 is a bigger battle than the "going no where" HD front. For many months, there will be ~no $$$ in HD discs and no format winner. It did not even matter that $ony produced garbage BD titles. It does not matter that Sony is not even making a BD player. So far, it all adds up to a big ZERO.

The GAME war is big. Live or die for Sony. I must say, as a long term, hard core M$ basher, that M$ has acted with much more dignity than Sony. But, I don't game so I don't care.

Keep one thing in mind. The studios, not CEs, are the losers due to the format war. AND, there is only one reason that we even have a format war - THE STUDIOS. Even now, the war is instantly over if the studios decide to produce titles in both formats. The difference - studios could put extra on BD and charge extra - well, I mean every one except Sony doing MPEG2 to selling less for more.

Please, let's not hear about the extra pennies to do dics in both formats. And, I'm not interested in how Netflix's machines would have to recognize more unique lot numbers. Re B&M, sorry - do not care - carry one or the other, both or neither.

To quote the trash collector working in a building during the development of Space Telescope - "It don't matter, eventually, I get it all."
I disagree. HD-DVD was backed by the DVD Forum who also backs DVD.

Sony released DVD+R which went against the DVD Forum accepted DVD-R

Sony released Betamax, Mini-disc, UMD, Mirco-MV, SACD, Memory Stick, etc. All failures in my book for acceptance for anything other than Sony products.

Toshiba and Sony are to blame for the format war. I am all for healthy competition so I can't say that I am upset.
post #50 of 83
10/20/06 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by jayselle
I disagree. HD-DVD was backed by the DVD Forum who also backs DVD.

Sony released DVD+R which went against the DVD Forum accepted DVD-R

Sony released Betamax, Mini-disc, UMD, Mirco-MV, SACD, Memory Stick, etc. All failures in my book for acceptance for anything other than Sony products.

Toshiba and Sony are to blame for the format war. I am all for healthy competition so I can't say that I am upset.
I'm not sure what you disagree with. Eventually, everything does turn into trash. (Actually, I do see your point.)

Re "healthy competition", if BD wins, they will have to earn it. I am a big fan of this war. It's a good thing. (I will not be buying either for a long time ($$$.))
post #51 of 83
10/20/06 at 12:40pm
Sadly I think Sony has sold out Blu-Ray for PS3. Blu-Ray Movies were more of a R&D venture, PS3 is essential to the core of the organization. It's a simple numbers game for them. Either they make some Blu-Ray standalones and help push that format while losing signficant PS3 sales and having MS take even more market share. Or put Blu-Ray standalones on hold to battle the 360 to keep the company alive...

It's all about numbers, and they aren't looking good for Sony these days.
post #52 of 83
10/20/06 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by george king
rdjam,

That is exactly what they are doing. There is another thread here that indicates that Sony isnt going to make their year end PS3 shipments. So, they are probably saving the diodes to increase the PS3 numbers, so they dont look too horrible.
Silly Soony! :p
post #53 of 83
10/20/06 at 1:27pm
Let's be honest. Sony is having a horrible year http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/tic...&Symbol=US:SNE
At this point Sony realizes they will not win the format war AND the game war. Better to put all your resources in gaming, which is pretty obvious what they are doing.
There will be no "Trojan horse" to save blu-ray. The PS3's are already spoken for and blu-ray sales haven't made any real impact. Like many of Sony's other failed propriatary formats, it appears they'll be adding another. Sorry to have to tell it like it is.
post #54 of 83
10/20/06 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by wtr_wkr
I'm not sure what you disagree with. Eventually, everything does turn into trash. (Actually, I do see your point.)

Re "healthy competition", if BD wins, they will have to earn it. I am a big fan of this war. It's a good thing. (I will not be buying either for a long time ($$$.))
I should of clarified. You said the studios are to blame. Yes, they are choosing sides, but I guarantee the reason for choosing sides has zero to do with the actual product.

Just like Sony doesn't like VC-1 since the best tools are made by Microsoft who supports HD-DVD. A lot of poltics.

I think a standard format would of been nice. But with two competing formats I look forward to competing technology and price wars. Well, that is, until someone reveals the silver bullet called a dual format player.
post #55 of 83
10/20/06 at 3:43pm
I can confirm that it is delayed, I got a email from them today.

Thank you for your recent Sony Style order of the BDP-S1 Blu-Ray Disc player.

There has been a change of availability date for this product. We now expect to start shipping no later than December 4th. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change, but this is necessary to ensure that the product meets our highest performance expectations.

As stated in the previous email you will get a $50 e-coupon good on a future Sony Style order. The e-coupon will be emailed to you approximately 30 days after your order has shipped. There will be one e-coupon per order.

We hope that you are still interested in this product. However, if you decide to cancel your order, you may do so by sending a response to this email or calling our toll-free Customer Care number at (877) 865-7669. If we do not hear from you before we ship the merchandise to you, we will assume that you have agreed to this new ship date.

Please let us know if you have any questions.


Thank you for choosing Sony Style!
post #56 of 83
10/20/06 at 11:58pm
The story with this player reminds of the Simpsons episode where Bart takes over Kamp Krusty. (the flashback as told by Lisa. <Bart clutching and stroking the Krusty doll while repeating Krusty's coming , Krustys coming>....)
post #57 of 83
10/21/06 at 12:51am
As funny as it is to watch a player get delayed repeatedly, it's still preferable to not having any other players scheduled to come out.
post #58 of 83
10/21/06 at 1:05am
Seems that Sony's incompetence knows no bounds. Tons of delays, bad PQ movies, etc. Blu-ray is a good format in theory, but Sony should really have the rights to it revoked and be forced to sell it to a company that can handle the task. Of course I am mostly kidding as I do support free market.

But wow, it is starting to get funny now.

At least Blu-ray's supporters are keeping this ship from completely sinking.
post #59 of 83
10/21/06 at 5:02am
Geeeze. I'm in SHOCK. Just checked the Sony Style website - and they ARE giving away free Fifth Element discs w/ the their new player! I thought everyone was joking about that! Why on earth would they do that??? Upon playing the disc - people will return the machine!
Unless I'm missing something here and the title's been recently re-mastered - or will be by the time the machine is released.
post #60 of 83
10/21/06 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine
they ARE giving away free Fifth Element discs w/ the their new player! I thought everyone was joking about that! Why on earth would they do that???

They figured they might as well give them away since they can't sell them! :D
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