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post #871 of 1291
5/1/07 at 7:41am
Thanx a lot gman10. Will try these settings out today.

Boddu

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these are my settings

advanced iris high
picture 84
brightness 50
color 55
hue 0
color temp warm 1
sharpness max
noise red. low
drc mode off
everything in advanced mode off
white balance r-gain -4 ,r-bias -4 all others at 0
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post #872 of 1291
5/3/07 at 11:11am
Has any owner of the 70" been able to use the new DVE High Definition HD DVD to calibrate their set? If so, could you share your settings?

I own the Xbox 360 add on drive and it is not yet compatible with the disc. I understand that on or about May 7th, billion dollar Bill will issue an Xbox live update which will "fix" the problem.
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post #873 of 1291
5/3/07 at 6:00pm
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Has any owner of the 70" been able to use the new DVE High Definition HD DVD to calibrate their set? If so, could you share your settings?

I own the Xbox 360 add on drive and it is not yet compatible with the disc. I understand that on or about May 7th, billion dollar Bill will issue an Xbox live update which will "fix" the problem.

I got it 2 days ago and tried it with my Toshiba XA2 briefly. I just wanted to confirm the brightness setting(didn't have the time to check anything else), which was pretty much correct. I think DVE HD will be good to look at some of the test patterns in full 1080p, but it's not going to make the set any better for me than when I had it calibrated. Right now I'm trying to get the darn controls working in PowerDVD so I can I verify my HTPC input settings and see how it looks via that.
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post #874 of 1291
5/14/07 at 9:41am
I notice when watching SD (with the bars on all sides) that the picture is tilted on the top to the right instead of square. on the old sony projections you coudl enter service mode to adjust this via the 'grid' (which I was never all that trilled about doing).

My questions are :

1) I assume it's adjustable , since the tv is new is this a service that the merchant (Tweeter) should/would adjust

2) I assume if SD is skewed, then HD probably is as well but I just can't see it as much?

When I measure it, it appears to be about 3/4 - 1 " out from bottom to top.

Thanx in advance

set is a kdsr60xbr2
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post #875 of 1291
5/14/07 at 10:32am
There are instructions for adjusting tilt and trapezoid in the Service Manual and in this thread.

See here

And here
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post #876 of 1291
5/14/07 at 10:54am
I tried searching the thread for the solution to my problem but after an hour of reading I gave up.....so let me apologize in advance for my request if it has already been discussed.

After putting up a crosshair test pattern on my XBR2 I have determined that the red chip is out of convergence by at least 2 pixels. The white crosshair is outlined on the right side by a solid red line and is pretty much uniform throughout the screen.

Would someone be so kind to send instruction via this thread or PM on how to adjust the red back so that I can correct my convergence? Since I am somewhat technically challenged please respond with as much detail as possible beginning with getting into the service menu and ending with how to get out. I would really appreciate that and once gain I apologize if this has already been covered.
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post #877 of 1291
5/15/07 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

There are instructions for adjusting tilt and trapezoid in the Service Manual and in this thread.

See here

And here


Thanx for the reply, the XBR2 model doesn't look like the pictures in the link you provided. The front jack panel doesn't look like it can be removed, however the larger filler panel to the right appears to be removable (looks like it may be anchored inside the lap access panel.
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post #878 of 1291
5/15/07 at 7:33am
Followup:

I found a copy of the service manual and have confirmed that the v-spacer and h-spacer are behind the panel referred to above. also that there is a screw inside the lamp door.

reference pages 31-34 http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDSR60XBR2_sm.pdf
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post #879 of 1291
5/15/07 at 7:36am
I just wanted to post that UMR (Jeff) calibrated my 60" XBR2 about 1.5 weeks ago and I would happily recommend him to anyone. I notice a complete difference to what had before he worked his magic. Plus as an added bonus he totally leveled out my sound system too.
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post #880 of 1291
5/15/07 at 5:07pm
I was told that there is no convergence adjustment on this set, but I believe that in the service manual, it states that it can be changed. Which is correct? I am concerned because the woman that told me this (no adjustment) is servicing my set, and if she is wrong, well, I don't think it's a good idea to let her open the set

Opinions, thoughts and comments welcome!

Thanks
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post #881 of 1291
5/15/07 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I was told that there is no convergence adjustment on this set, but I believe that in the service manual, it states that it can be changed. Which is correct? I am concerned because the woman that told me this (no adjustment) is servicing my set, and if she is wrong, well, I don't think it's a good idea to let her open the set

Opinions, thoughts and comments welcome!

Thanks

I have adjusted the convergence on my set, in the service menu, so it can definitely be done. Hard to find good help?


Fred
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post #882 of 1291
5/15/07 at 11:40pm
check out the last adjustment here for convergence


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ce#post8389631
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post #883 of 1291
5/18/07 at 11:40pm
these are my settings for xbox 360 with hddvd addon using dve hd

advanced iris high
picture 70
brightness 44
color 47
hue 0
color temp warm 1
sharpness 50
noise red. off
drc mode off
everything in advanced mode off
white balance factory settings
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post #884 of 1291
5/19/07 at 10:15am
Has there been any comparisons between the 60" & 70" XBR2 sets with all of the tweaks folks are doing on them.and the differences beween them? I'm getting a new 60" XBR2 as a replacement for my faulty XBR1 next week..and would like to hear some from the folks who have the 60" sets...I know that I will have UMR calibrating this summer when he he has time after he is back in town...but would like to know what folks think here about the smaller set...Much has been posted about the 70" sets..but it's nice to read about the smaller one as well...

Mac
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post #885 of 1291
5/19/07 at 10:53am
i thoroughly enjoy my 60". i've had it since nov. 06, aproximately 2000 hours on the bulb. TWC cable and oppo 981 connected. absolutely no issues to speak of..(well, there was this 1 time i saw a shadow of a bug crawling on the screen i supose it got to hot for him though).
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post #886 of 1291
6/1/07 at 8:55am
I've had my KDS-R60XBR2 for about a week and a half now and have been keeping an eye on the convergence and focus. I know this has been discussed before but I hope you don't mind my asking again just to be clear.

The lower right corner of the picture is slightly less focused than the rest of the screen. When I check the grid pattern in the service menu there is some slight red fringing (only in the lower right) and the grid lines are just generally a bit less focused. The rest of the screen is pretty much spot on.

From what I understand there isn't much you can do with that since adjusting the convergence to fix the bottom right will throw off the rest of the screen. Am I correct on this or is there a tweak anyone is familiar with?

Also, is this a normal characteristic w/these TV's or should I be concerned?

BTW, I should add that overall I'm not at all displeased w/the picture but I guess we all want to get as close to perfection as possible. Thanks!
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post #887 of 1291
6/1/07 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Fidesic View Post

I've had my KDS-R60XBR2 for about a week and a half now and have been keeping an eye on the convergence and focus. I know this has been discussed before but I hope you don't mind my asking again just to be clear.

The lower right corner of the picture is slightly less focused than the rest of the screen. When I check the grid pattern in the service menu there is some slight red fringing (only in the lower right) and the grid lines are just generally a bit less focused. The rest of the screen is pretty much spot on.

From what I understand there isn't much you can do with that since adjusting the convergence to fix the bottom right will throw off the rest of the screen. Am I correct on this or is there a tweak anyone is familiar with?

Also, is this a normal characteristic w/these TV's or should I be concerned?

BTW, I should add that overall I'm not at all displeased w/the picture but I guess we all want to get as close to perfection as possible. Thanks!


i had some problems with focus, on one of the tvs i had, i posted the problems i was having in the other xbr 2 thread, for one thing i got the convergence fairly equal on all the tvs they were never perfect and there was always some bleeding of colors somewhere on the screen usually in the corners but the focus was different on all the tvs, the one i had trouble with was just bad and very noticeable the others were very close, and if i didn't have 4 tvs in a month i wouldn't have noticed , i don't know if there is really anything you could do aside from having it professionally calibrated which is what i plan to do
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post #888 of 1291
6/2/07 at 7:38pm
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i had some problems with focus, on one of the tvs i had, i posted the problems i was having in the other xbr 2 thread, for one thing i got the convergence fairly equal on all the tvs they were never perfect and there was always some bleeding of colors somewhere on the screen usually in the corners but the focus was different on all the tvs, the one i had trouble with was just bad and very noticeable the others were very close, and if i didn't have 4 tvs in a month i wouldn't have noticed , i don't know if there is really anything you could do aside from having it professionally calibrated which is what i plan to do

I later discovered another test pattern in the service menu that I believe is even more telling. It's one or two patterns beyond the grid pattern. It's of a bunch of white dots on a black screen...kind of like stars in a night sky. The dots were fuzzy and smeared in the bottom right corner and to a lesser extent the right 1/5 of the screen but fairly well defined throughout the rest of the screen.

I went to a couple of local Circuit City's (where I bouught the TV) as well as a local Magnolia Hi Fi. I was able to persuade folks at each of these to allow me to get into the service menus of their display 60" XBR 2's to see the test patterns. Each display model was virtually perfect from corner to corner, especially on the white dot pattern. Based on that, I'm exchanging this one for another one. I'll let you know how it turns out. Hopefully I won't have to go through as many as you went through since as you've said each TV's picture is a bit different.
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post #889 of 1291
6/2/07 at 9:17pm
So what do you do when the horizontal "Registration Adjustments" have absolutely no effect?

I brought up the crosshatch test pattern in the service menu and found that red vertical lines were at least 2 pixels to the right of blue and green over most of the screen. The value was "2". I changed the value between "0" to "4" but there was no difference at any setting. I then tried shifting green and blue with no effect on either.

Just for the heck of it I tried shifting the red horizontal lines up and down and that did work.
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post #890 of 1291
6/3/07 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

So what do you do when the horizontal "Registration Adjustments" have absolutely no effect?

I brought up the crosshatch test pattern in the service menu and found that red vertical lines were at least 2 pixels to the right of blue and green over most of the screen. The value was "2". I changed the value between "0" to "4" but there was no difference at any setting. I then tried shifting green and blue with no effect on either.

Just for the heck of it I tried shifting the red horizontal lines up and down and that did work.


i believe there is a setting you need to turn on before you can make the adjustments im not home now so this is from memory i believe just before you get to the part in the service menu for adjustment of each color there is a value you need to change from 0 to 1,or something along those lines, its in the same sub menu and 1 step before the (r g b) adjustment settings
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post #891 of 1291
6/3/07 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Fidesic View Post

I later discovered another test pattern in the service menu that I believe is even more telling. It's one or two patterns beyond the grid pattern. It's of a bunch of white dots on a black screen...kind of like stars in a night sky. The dots were fuzzy and smeared in the bottom right corner and to a lesser extent the right 1/5 of the screen but fairly well defined throughout the rest of the screen.

I went to a couple of local Circuit City's (where I bouught the TV) as well as a local Magnolia Hi Fi. I was able to persuade folks at each of these to allow me to get into the service menus of their display 60" XBR 2's to see the test patterns. Each display model was virtually perfect from corner to corner, especially on the white dot pattern. Based on that, I'm exchanging this one for another one. I'll let you know how it turns out. Hopefully I won't have to go through as many as you went through since as you've said each TV's picture is a bit different.


im going to give this a shot, when you went to the store was there any bleeding of colors or was it spot on, i just want somesort of reference to work with,
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post #892 of 1291
6/3/07 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by bk1987 View Post

i believe there is a setting you need to turn on before you can make the adjustments im not home now so this is from memory i believe just before you get to the part in the service menu for adjustment of each color there is a value you need to change from 0 to 1,or something along those lines, its in the same sub menu and 1 step before the (r g b) adjustment settings

The thing is that I can adjust the horizontal lines vertically, I just get no affect when I try to adjust the vertical lines horizontally.

Also, when I bring up the service mode, I get the following in the upper left corner of the screen:

DEV_ERR 8
ERROR_PA403Z

Does anyone know what that means?
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post #893 of 1291
6/3/07 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

The thing is that I can adjust the horizontal lines vertically, I just get no affect when I try to adjust the vertical lines horizontally.

Also, when I bring up the service mode, I get the following in the upper left corner of the screen:

DEV_ERR 8
ERROR_PA403Z

Does anyone know what that means?


when i get home im going to take a look at it, just one thing are you talking about, in the service menu were it says ( 25 VSFT ) or ( 1 HSIFTR) because if its ( 1 HSIFTR ) you need to make sure ( 0 H_SHIFT ) data is 1 in order to adjust the vertical lines horizontally

changed data from 0 to 1
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post #894 of 1291
6/3/07 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by bk1987 View Post

when i get home im going to take a look at it, just one thing are you talking about, in the service menu were it says ( 25 VSFT ) or ( 1 HSIFTR) because if its ( 1 HSIFTR ) you need to make sure ( 0 H_SHIFT ) data is 0 in order to adjust the vertical lines horizontally

I did check that. "0 H_SHIFT" is set at "0". Besides, I can adjust "25 VSFT_R" but "1 HSIFTR", "2 HSIFTG" and "3 HSIFTB" have no affect.

Perhaps I'll try setting "0 H_SHIFT" to 1 and see what affect that has.
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post #895 of 1291
6/3/07 at 6:16pm
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im going to give this a shot, when you went to the store was there any bleeding of colors or was it spot on, i just want somesort of reference to work with,

There was definitely some bleeding if you got close to the screen but nothing that was really recognizable from beyond about 6 feet back. From that distance the dots seemed pretty crisp. The big thing for me with the store displays was that the focus was fairly consistent from side to side/corner to corner. Not perfect but close.

Mine on the other hand is pretty noticeable (bad focus in lower right corner) even from about 9 feet which is my normal viewing distance.
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post #896 of 1291
6/3/07 at 9:16pm
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I did check that. "0 H_SHIFT" is set at "0". Besides, I can adjust "25 VSFT_R" but "1 HSIFTR", "2 HSIFTG" and "3 HSIFTB" have no affect.

Perhaps I'll try setting "0 H_SHIFT" to 1 and see what affect that has.

If you want the HSIFTR/G/B settings to have any effect, you MUST set H_SHIFT to 1.
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post #897 of 1291
6/4/07 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

If you want the HSIFTR/G/B settings to have any effect, you MUST set H_SHIFT to 1.

Thanks. That worked.

Now all I need to know is what DEV_ERROR 8, ERROR_PA403Z means. That comes up as soon as I bring up the service menu.
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post #898 of 1291
6/4/07 at 9:01am
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Thanks. That worked.

Now all I need to know is what DEV_ERROR 8, ERROR_PA403Z means. That comes up as soon as I bring up the service menu.

I couldn't find it in the service manual so sorry, can't help you there. Shoot off a PM to KewlK, he may know.
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post #899 of 1291
6/4/07 at 3:33pm
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I couldn't find it in the service manual so sorry, can't help you there. Shoot off a PM to KewlK, he may know.

He didn't know either. No worries, digging through the SM, I found that PA403Z is the tuner. I rarely use it anyway.
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post #900 of 1291
6/5/07 at 11:27am
I didn't find very much about these two items in this forum.
I'm talking about the Oppo 981 and the Sony KDSR60XBR2. Now that I own both is there any detail anywhere about settings for the Oppo and the Sony together.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
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