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post #1 of 67
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Hey guys trying to decide between the 4051 and the 4092. I personally did not notice a difference in picture between the two at the store. I will be using this for 80% games and 20% movies.

Has anyone else compared these two tv's? Im really on the fence with which one to get.
post #2 of 67
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I did a search and did not see these two tvs compared. No one has compared these two? I understand the 92 has better dynamic contrast but is there anything else and does anyone have an opinion on which looks the best?
post #3 of 67
I would like to hear what people have to say about this myself!
post #4 of 67
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Originally Posted by Chuck Coughlin View Post

I would like to hear what people have to say about this myself!

Well it does not look like they have much to say unfortunately.
post #5 of 67
I read a thread a while back where part of the thread was someone asking the same question. A few people recommended the 4092 over the 4051 because of a preference for the bezel, and one said that the 4092 resolved some bugs that the 4051 had.
The poster posing the question asked what the bugs were that were resolved, but no further info was forthcoming in that thread.
Most people that posted said they saw no difference in the picture quality whatsoever.
With Amazon putting a substantial drop in price on the 4051 this past weekend, I found the set irresistable & ordered it from them on Sunday.
They haven't shipped it as of yet, but it sure looks like a killer value for the dollar to me & I'm eagerly awaiting it.
I won't be able to compare it to the 4092 though, because the only other flat panel I have is a much older lnr-328w that I use as a bedroom tv.
post #6 of 67
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hmm... thanks for the info! wonder if they fixed the black banding that ive heard about on the 4051D
post #7 of 67
Principal differences include:

4092D: better signal processing, independent input settings memory, more picture options, ATSC/QAM tuner (aka DCR tuner, digital cable ready).

4051D: better black levels, no independent input settings memory, no QAM
post #8 of 67
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So the 4051 actually has better black levels than the 4092?

I did not know the 4092D had that tuner in it though which is nice. Just checked and we dont have the 4092 in stock and its gonna take a long time to get if I ever get it which could keep me from getting my rebates.

Might just go with the 4051 if it has better blacks then the 4092 as its in stock.
post #9 of 67
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Also on top of the better blacks questions...

The QAM tuner is actually a built in digital cable box? I thought they only had over the air boxes in tvs now. So the QAM tuner would eliminate my need for my time warner digital cable box?
post #10 of 67
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Originally Posted by zachwhite0 View Post

Also on top of the better blacks questions...

The QAM tuner is actually a built in digital cable box? I thought they only had over the air boxes in tvs now. So the QAM tuner would eliminate my need for my time warner digital cable box?


no

a qam only picks up regular HD channels (CBS, ABC, Fox, NBC etc..) on the Cable feed.
it does NOT give you HD Cable channels like ESPNHD & etc, you need a cable box for that

also can you turn off the dynamic contrast (DlNe) in either of those two sets?
Or is that option only in the new Samsung 1080p sets
post #11 of 67
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I read in another forum that the DNie only effects the cable and composite sections of the tube and does not effect HDMI or Component inputs. Not sure if this is correct but that would be great if the DNie engine did not run over HD stuff. Heard there is not an option in the menu for it at all when you are on HD/Gaming

Can anyone verify this?
post #12 of 67
I have the LN-S4051.

There is no option to turn off DNIe.

It does still operate on OTA HD and component HD signals. I do not have HDMI connnected yet, so I cannot confirm nor deny that.

That being said, the effect is very subtle, at least with my picture settings. The biggest difference I see is that it reduces the red push of the set, making skintones more flesh colored instead of ruddy. Other than that, I don't see much difference and don't understand why all of the hoopla about being able to turn it off.

And yes, I do use the set for gaming on an Xbox 360 (Halo 2), and I don't notice any lag, either due to DNIe or otherwise.

I don't use Game mode (it's too bright and the colors overexaggerated), but with it on, DNIe still has an effect. With Game mode on, DNIe actually makes the colors more vivid, especially reds. This seems to be the opposite effect to what it does with Game mode off.

post #13 of 67
I assume both models are better than the LN-S4041D, right?

I'm about to pull the trigger on the S4051D but just noticed the slightly cheaper s4041D with almost identical specs (except for a slightly lower contrast ratio).
post #14 of 67
41D series are entry level
51/52D series are mid-range/gamer
92D series is high-end 720p
95D series is 1080p
96D is highend 1080p

DNIe can't be turned off on LCD models (some plasmas and DLPs allow it to be turned off, and it is also disabled when in Movie mode).

4051D does have better blacks, per CNet measurements. Having viewed both of them many times, I subjectively agree with their measurements--the 51D does seem to have deeper blacks and better color saturation.
post #15 of 67
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Hmm wow well now that someone else has said the same thing i doubt its worth going through all the trouble it would take me to get a 4092. Might pick up a 4051 tomorrow. Any reasons why I should not compared to the 4092?(Strictly picture quality based and not features.)
post #16 of 67
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Originally Posted by Revolutionary View Post

41D series are entry level
51/52D series are mid-range/gamer
92D series is high-end 720p
95D series is 1080p
96D is highend 1080p

DNIe can't be turned off on LCD models (some plasmas and DLPs allow it to be turned off, and it is also disabled when in Movie mode).

4051D does have better blacks, per CNet measurements. Having viewed both of them many times, I subjectively agree with their measurements--the 51D does seem to have deeper blacks and better color saturation.

That is not quite right as I have a 5797 and I can turn off the DNIe on this LCD panel and I thought that I read that you could also on the 95 and 96 but I'm not sure.

Roy
post #17 of 67
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Does anyone know if the lns4051D and the lns4092d are from the same generation? The 4092 is much easier to get than I had thought so Im still trying to decide.
post #18 of 67
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Im wondering if the CNET ratings are very far apart for the 4051 and the 4092 and I cant seem to find the ratings that they gave them in the reviews. Can anyone link to these?
post #19 of 67
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Hopefully someone thats on the forum right now will know as I would like to purchase one of these tonight.
post #20 of 67
Cnet hasn't reviewed the 4092D.

The 4051D and the 4092D are from the same generation (the 4051D was released about two months after the 92D).

I apologize for the confusion on the DNIe with regard to the 95-97 series. I should have said "DNIe can't be turned off on LCD 720p models." It can be turned off on all of the 1080p panels.

EDIT: I have also confirmed that DNIe is automatically disabled on the 4092D when in Movie mode.
post #21 of 67
I ordered the LN-S4051D from Amazon and should be recieving it in a week or so.
post #22 of 67
You might want to wait a couple weeks if you can. I've been tracking prices on the 40" segment for a couple months. Prices are dropping precipitously in anticipation of the holiday season. I'm projecting that the 4051D will be available for another $200 off Amazon's current price by the end of the month. No fooling. Same for the 4092D.
post #23 of 67
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Ya I have noticed they have been dropping a lot in the last few weeks. I can get a $600 rebate from Samsung however if I purchase in the month of October. I can get the 4092 for about $1250. The 4051 for a little less.

I like that dnie can be turned off in movie mode on the 4051 A LOT. lol Im still torn. Im glad they are from the same generation though.

Between the 4051 having better blacks and being able to disable the dnie in SOME WAY I am having trouble finding a reson to get the 4092 now. I dont watch tv so I wont be using the tuner. Is there even a reason to get the 4092? I personally think it looks better than the 4051 but I would rather have the better tv ( Features like the tuner I will never use aside.)
post #24 of 67
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One thing I just noticed is that it says the 4092 has a CCFL backlight (Cold Cathode).

Anyone know what kind of backlight the 4051 has and which is better?
post #25 of 67
Same.
post #26 of 67
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Is that what all LCD backlights are now? I know that LED backlights are on the horizon but CCFL is whats in the LCDs today?
post #27 of 67
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post #28 of 67
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Originally Posted by zachwhite0 View Post

Ya I have noticed they have been dropping a lot in the last few weeks. I can get a $600 rebate from Samsung however if I purchase in the month of October. I can get the 4092 for about $1250. The 4051 for a little less.

I like that dnie can be turned off in movie mode on the 4051 A LOT. lol Im still torn. Im glad they are from the same generation though.

Between the 4051 having better blacks and being able to disable the dnie in SOME WAY I am having trouble finding a reson to get the 4092 now. I dont watch tv so I wont be using the tuner. Is there even a reason to get the 4092? I personally think it looks better than the 4051 but I would rather have the better tv ( Features like the tuner I will never use aside.)

I ordered my 4051 from amazon this past sunday, and it arrived to me here in Florida this afternooon.
So far, all I have done with it is watch some over the air hd and a few dvds with a panasonic s-52 player, and I couldn't be happier with the set.
Just to clarify. I see no option to turn off dnie on this set. But as shown in the picture posted previously, the dnie "on" in the demo mode shows very little effect and really not a problem. It made a drastic change turning it on and off on my older lnr-328w, but on the 4051 it is subtle to the point I can't tell a difference myself.
To the guy that had a complaint about buzzing, you might try changing the default equalizer settings. I didn't have buzzing, but I did have a lot of bass distortion and turned that down, as well as turning tru surround off.
I haven't hooked it up to my sound system yet and the sound is okay though not so loud. Actually probably ideal if you use the set late at night in an apartment with sound sensitive neighbors.
post #29 of 67
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Originally Posted by zachwhite0 View Post

Is that what all LCD backlights are now? I know that LED backlights are on the horizon but CCFL is whats in the LCDs today?

Anyone?
post #30 of 67
Yes, all LCD backlights right now employ CCFL (unless I'm mistaken, they always have)-- that is unless you do something about it.

More info.
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