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MHD - What, no 5.1?

post #1 of 41
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Just received MHD on Comcast. None of the videos are in Dolby 5.1 (though the promos(?) for the station are). What's up with that? Is this normal for MHD? This SUCKS! What's HD without 5.1, especially music for cryin' out loud? Big disappointment in this channel.
post #2 of 41
It depends some programming is in 5.1 and all of their newer content is 5.1 as well. Non of the music videos are in 5.1 because the album track that the music videos go with isn't in 5.1 either. MHD has added more new programming in the last month than all summer so it seems they are going somewhere...

Donald
post #3 of 41
sheesh! no 5.1? that would be like watching football in black and white AND standard def !!
post #4 of 41
Not to mention this channel is a waste of bandwidth.
post #5 of 41
They play videos??
post #6 of 41
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Originally Posted by Chevron07 View Post

They play videos??

Actually they do. I saw some country music videos on MTV HD a few days ago which surprised me. They have a lot of HD programming to fill, so they may take whatever HD source they can get that fits into the Music category.
post #7 of 41
The music isn't in 5.1 on the videos only mixed for stereo this isn't mtv's doing it is the video makers doing. Even if MTV sent out 5.1 for the videos it would be fake 5.1 which wouldn't be any good anyway.
post #8 of 41
I have had MHD for a whopping one day and I'm getting my blue light lit (5.1). I haven't paid much attention to what is actually coded 5.1 but it sounds pretty nice. The video varies based on the content wilth some of it looking very nice. It does feel like the early days of HD with the same two promo commercials running over, over, and over.
post #9 of 41
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I'm finding that many of the specials and concerts are 5.1, but apparently none of the music videos. Someone on another thread said they've expanded their offerings over what they were showing time back (loops). Guess I can understand why the videos aren't 5.1 from how it's being explained above (thanks everyone), but it's still a disappointment!
post #10 of 41
Right now an Alicia Keys concert is on and earlier today Bon Jovi... both are sweet even for an old fart like me.
post #11 of 41
Can any of you folks that get MHD tell me if Laguna BCH: The Real OC is in HD? I love this show, absolutely love it and I noticed while watching my recording of last week's episode, that the showed is framed for 16x9.
post #12 of 41
MHD does not do any of those scripted shows like LB, Next, or anything like that. In an interview with a programming guy at MHD they are focus on music programming only. MHD is like MTV in the old days. Eventhough they could use more content it is going in the right direction...

Donald
post #13 of 41
Thread Starter 
I understand the explanation about the videos not being in 5.1, but can't understand why some of the (recent) concerts/concert videos aren't.
post #14 of 41
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Originally Posted by maxman View Post

I understand the explanation about the videos not being in 5.1, but can't understand why some of the (recent) concerts/concert videos aren't.

Then why make the shows in HDTV and letterbox them if there's not going to be a way to receive it for a long time? It IS a step in the right direction, but how much syndication or DVD value is TRL/VH1's Top 20 going to have?
post #15 of 41
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OK - so riddle me this Batman. If the above posts are to be believed, then why/how are all of the videos on "The Tube" in 5.1???
post #16 of 41
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Originally Posted by maxman View Post

OK - so riddle me this. If the above posts are to be believed, then why are all of the videos on "The Tube" in 5.1???

My guess is it's some sort of contrived 5.1. The concerts may undoubtedly be mixed in surround but its extremely rare for this process to be undertaken on a standard music video. Assuming that we're listening to a stereo album, generally the music is not remixed for the music video (this would by and large be a pointless waste of a lot of money -- as the original recording engineer, artist and producer would have to be called back into another session with the original tracks, many of which already take months to produce). Again music videos are so sparce on television these days, there's nothing to dictate a change to the process. Music videos drive the bottom line of record companies but generally not broadcasters (notice Viacom's shift in programming philosophy over the last 10 years). Even MHD airs most of its videos between 4 and 7 in the morning when no one is watching. I'm amazed to see that someone has taken the care to make HD masters of the original many of which look pretty good.
post #17 of 41
I have MHD and most of the programming is in Dolby Digital 5.1 as my receiver
reads it through optical connection with Motorola HD/DVR box. The "HD Video
Hour" is even in Dolby Digital 5.1
post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

I have MHD and most of the programming is in Dolby Digital 5.1 as my receiver
reads it through optical connection with Motorola HD/DVR box. The "HD Video
Hour" is even in Dolby Digital 5.1

Actually I think that box decodes a 5.1 signal regardless of whether or not the source material is 5.1 or not. You'll also get 5.1 on ESPNHD watching Sportscenter and none of those studio shows, and very few live events are mixed in 5.1
post #19 of 41
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Originally Posted by ABCTV99 View Post

Actually I think that box decodes a 5.1 signal regardless of whether or not the source material is 5.1 or not. You'll also get 5.1 on ESPNHD watching Sportscenter and none of those studio shows, and very few live events are mixed in 5.1

No, my box reads 2.0, Pro Logic, Dolby Digital 5.1/2.0 according to my receiver
whether it's on HD, Digital, or Analog.
post #20 of 41
When I learned we were getting MHD I was disappointed and infuriated that out of all the compelling HD content out there Time Warner was giving us crap like TRL, Real World, Pimp My Mom and Date My Car in HD. I may be 21 years old, but this garbage does not appeal to me at all. I couldn't have been more wrong, MHD is probably now my most watched HD channel behind CBS HD. The concerts are great, I'm watching local boys, Goo Goo Dolls in concert right now. The John Fogarty special was great and VH1 Rock Honors was incredible. I never thought I'd hear real music on an MTV branded channel.

I have no idea what MTV was like way back when, I was too young, but I've seen VH1, MTV2, CMT and now VH1 Classic turn from gold to garbage, getting away from music and appealing to the 13 year old girl and college horndog demo and frankly it sucks. MHD is GREAT a little more content would be nice, but if repeats of current programming, me culture' (or whatever they're called) shows, I'm all for it.
post #21 of 41
Yea I agree, my only complaint is they tend to rerun the same programs over and over again. There are some concerts that might run once a week (like some of the Unplugged concerts) and other stuff that seemingly runs every few hours like that Music With Altitude series, and the Life and Rhymes stuff. I understand they have a limited amount of content at the present, but at least do a better job of mixing it up. I feel like all i ever see is Music With Altitude, All Access, Foo Fighters in London, Boost Mobile Hip Hop Concert and Isle of Wright Music Festival over and over and over again, and I know there is a lot more content airing on MHD than that. Mix it up guys. (this being said INHD is just as guility of re-running Timeless -- a show that aired two years ago on ESPN2 -- ad nauseum as is National Geographic with four hours of In The Womb).
post #22 of 41
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Originally Posted by ABCTV99 View Post

Yea I agree, my only complaint is they tend to rerun the same programs over and over again...

You can add a couple more "over"s. Unbelievable considering what they must have available.
post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by maxman View Post

OK - so riddle me this Batman. If the above posts are to be believed, then why/how are all of the videos on "The Tube" in 5.1???

As said, it's fake 5.1. It's kind of like you using ProLogic to get a psuedo-surround effect.

I seriously doubt The Tube has actually done a true re-mix of the videos. That would take quite a long time.
post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

As said, it's fake 5.1. It's kind of like you using ProLogic to get a psuedo-surround effect.

I seriously doubt The Tube has actually done a true re-mix of the videos. That would take quite a long time.

ProLogic is, as you said, a psuedo-surround effect. Dolby 5.1 EX is not, however. Anybody wanna check with/ask Dolby Labs?
post #25 of 41
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Originally Posted by Steve Mehs View Post

I have no idea what MTV was like way back when, I was too young, but I've seen VH1, MTV2, CMT and now VH1 Classic turn from gold to garbage, getting away from music and appealing to the 13 year old girl and college horndog demo and frankly it sucks. MHD is GREAT a little more content would be nice, but if repeats of current programming, me culture' (or whatever they're called) shows, I'm all for it.

A long time ago, MTV used to air music videos 24/7. There would be a pretty good mix of all of the mainstream genres with the exception of country and electronic music in the United States. MTV Europe aired a lot of electronic music videos back in the day (not sure if they still do or if they followed the crap the main MTV became here) as some are available to watch online. They never aired Prodigy's "Smack my bitch up" video here in the U.S. so I had to watch it online.

My favorite shows back in the day were "Yo! MTV Raps" and "Headbangers Ball". You can find info on those shows through Google or Wikipedia.

I love that MHD shows so many concerts and special events. The old MTV didn't show concerts (or perhaps they did later?), and their special events were pretty much the MTV music awards. I wish they'd show more music videos though. Like others on here, I'm tired of seeing the same concerts/events looped constantly.
post #26 of 41
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Originally Posted by maxman View Post

ProLogic is, as you said, a psuedo-surround effect. Dolby 5.1 EX is not, however. Anybody wanna check with/ask Dolby Labs?

I can encode in real-time to true DD5.1 or DTS, with an X-Plosion soundcard, from a 2-channel source. This is very different than a true studio mix. Like I said, I doubt The Tube has true 5.1 studio mixes. And they don't broadcast in Dolby 5.1 EX.
post #27 of 41
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

And they don't broadcast in Dolby 5.1 EX.

OK, my receiver's lying to me then.
post #28 of 41
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Originally Posted by ppith View Post

The old MTV didn't show concerts (or perhaps they did later?)

I can't remember how frequently they did this sort of thing, but at the very least, they was a Journey concert taped specifically for MTV in '81.
post #29 of 41
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Originally Posted by maxman View Post

OK, my receiver's lying to me then.

No...the cable company is simply encoding the digital stream from their equipment at DD5.1. I guarantee you that The Tube is not getting special 5.1 surround mixes of every music video from the record companies. Most CD releases are not even produced for 5.1.

We have the same situation with our local NBC affiliate in Las Vegas. The channel outputs DD5.1 24 hours a day. I'm quite sure that every bit of programming, from NBC to late night infomercials and local commercials, are not produced in DD5.1.

Hopefully this makes things more clear for you.
post #30 of 41
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Originally Posted by Demodave View Post

No...the cable company is simply encoding the digital stream from their equipment at DD5.1. I guarantee you that The Tube is not getting special 5.1 surround mixes of every music video from the record companies. Most CD releases are not even produced for 5.1.

We have the same situation with our local NBC affiliate in Las Vegas. The channel outputs DD5.1 24 hours a day. I'm quite sure that every bit of programming, from NBC to late night infomercials and local commercials, are not produced in DD5.1.

Hopefully this makes things more clear for you.

Finally, someone gets it.
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