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Do I need a new DVD player? Still using my old Sony DVP-S7000

post #1 of 11
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That's right -- I am still using one of the original DVD players released in the US -- the hefty Sony S7000 with the silly motorized front panel. It is not progressive scan, it does not have a digital video output, and it does not read DTS audio either. Forget about the DTS issue for the moment -- this post is asking about video performance...

Currently I am using a CRT projector in my living room, and running SVideo from the DVD player through a line doubler to the projector. I am planning on buying a new digital projector -- Panny AX100, Sanyo Z5, or the forthcoming Optoma HD73. The reviews say that both the Panny and the Sanyo have excellent deinterlacing. And the HD73 will have Faroudja processing on board.

Obviously I'll eventually want an HD quality DVD player, but since I am still running a 10-year old DVD player and a 14-year old projector, obviously I'm not in any rush.

I've been told that the Sony's 10-bit video processing is still superior to later models, even those with progressive scan. But how does it compare with current progressive scan and upconverting DVD players?
If I get a projector with good deinterlacing, can I just keep my S7000? Or would I be better served by a progressive scan upconverting DVD player? (I am thinking of getting one of the Oppo players until the HD machines drop in price. I really cannot justify the expense of the nicer Denon players.)

Thanks!
-- Peter
post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by PeterNYC View Post

If I get a projector with good deinterlacing, can I just keep my S7000?

Absolutely you can! No CUE issues and BTB, I put my S7000 back into service some months ago, after realizing that my NEWER Sony was not doing right by my RP LCD HDTV. I had gotten a newer machine a few years ago because my 7000 could not play my homemade DVDs (figured that one out, now it does).

Anyway I'm very, very happy with the picture quality from this old beauty. You may be happy too, though you will want to use Component cables to your new proj not S-Video.

My next new DVD player will probably be a Toshiba HD-DVD; not sure which one yet. The Sony is deficient in the following areas:

1. Not the sharpest picture you can get (but very filmlike)
2. Chokes on DVD-Rs (need DVD+R w/booktype DVD-ROM)
3. No DTS sound

As for 3., after getting "Cream Live" (DTS only! well, stereo too) I realize I have quite a number of discs in my collection that also would benefit from having DTS.

You sound like a (wisely) frugal sort--IMO you should buy the best projector you can afford, then try your 7000 with it before any decision to deep-six. Unless of course you come across a music DVD w/DTS only that you can't live without!
post #3 of 11
I still have my DVP-S7000 and still use it today; it was a reference player at that time and still is a great player even though it will be 10 years old next year.

I'd also add the following,

4. Lacks upconversion

Since you plan on getting a digital projector and the player only outputs 480i than the tv will upconvert the input received to it's (tv) native resolution. Depending on the player and projector you get, the player may do a better job at scaling and de-interlacing the image than the projector would. Every TV/projector doesn't do a good job at scaling nor do all deinterlace properly. It all depends on what components were put into the TV/projector. In this case you would benefit from a player that uses better components than the TV/projector.

I've gotten new players, but will always keep the Sony DVP-S7000 around as well. Like laserfan stated you'd want to use the component video cables on the DVP-S7000 instead of the S-Video.
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by rdodolak View Post

...the player only outputs 480i than the tv will upconvert the input received to it's (tv) native resolution...

Exactly, and (even) my 4 year-old HDTV does a wonderful job at that.

So PeterNYC get the best projector you can afford, and try the 7000 with it--you may like it! And even if the HD-DVD/BD war isn't over yet, those players are going to get cheaper & better too.
post #5 of 11
I also am still using an old sony DVP-s7700 DVD player. Purchased in summer of 1999.It has the motorized front panel which keeps things quiet when closed and also keeps out micro dust. It also has a 10 bit video processor and does 96KHZ 24 bit conversion. I am using component video cables and a cheap optical digital cable for the 5.1. It plays only CD's and DVD video discs....nothing else. This thing still runs like a Cadillac, never a glitch. Id also add the following :
5. It lacks a buffer for the annoying dual layer pause on many discs
I'm looking at the Arcam DV-137 which has the above buffer and DVD AUDIO, but has a list price of $1900.00!
Do i really have to spend this much money to get a picture with snap and the DVD Audio feature that i want? After using such a good unit like the Sony i want to make sure that my next DVD player is noticably better. Can anybody recommend....
post #6 of 11
Wow, I am so glad I came across this thread. I am seriously considering buying a new Sammy HLS5687W and was hoping I could keep on using my Sony S7700 for a while longer until the HD war is over. It's really been a great player and I can't bear to retire it just yet.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Espo77 View Post

I'm looking at the Arcam DV-137 which has the above buffer and DVD AUDIO, but has a list price of $1900.00!
Do i really have to spend this much money to get a picture with snap and the DVD Audio feature that i want?

Take a look at the Denon 3930, Denon 2930, and Pioneer 79ai (all less than the Arcam $1900 list price).
post #8 of 11
I had the s7000 and the s7700 - gave away the s7000 about 2 years ago as it was really bad at playing homemade DVDs. I just gave away the s7700 a month or so ago as it still was unpleasant at homeade DVDs. I don't regret either purchase their time had come and gone for me. I still have an s9000 which is adequate for homeade DVDs although the limited FF and RR are frustrating the picture is still GREAT!

I had ordered the Denon 1730 and the 1930 think I would replace both. The 1930 picture doesn't compete with the s9000 so I ordered a 2930 and gave the 1730 to a family member. I ordered the 2930 a month ago from one of their authorized online dealers who claimed to have it in stock and was willing to compete on price with another authorized dealer who didn't have it in stock. It was 699 so I figured why not. A month later they still claim to have it in stock on their site and their sales rep told me a month ago they had it in stock but it hasn't arrived. I cancelled it today and will go back to my s9000. I'll keep the s9000 for my living room where I rarely watch homeade DVDs of TV shows.

To make a long story longer, you should go with whatever you want. My S9000 seems a lot better to me than my s7700 which in turn was better than my s7000. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably upgrade to a second hand 2910 (which I tried a little over a year ago and it was as good as the S9000 for picture but had tons more features but I returned because it wasn't better than the s9000 for picture) for about $375 or a new oppo 98x when they come out in a month for about $250. And then upgrade again in a year or so when Hybrid BR/HD players that support TrueHD and HD DTS a year from now but that is just my opinion - there isn't a wrong answer if you keep what you have or go for a short term upgrade.
post #9 of 11
Great thread! I am also still using my Sony DVP-S7000.

Has anyone experienced compatibility issues? Every once in a while, I will receive the dreaded "Insert Disc" message. Is that because it is an older DVD player, or are there compatibility issues with all DVD players.

Is it true that this player can be made region-free by flipping a switch on the motherboard?

Thanks!
post #10 of 11
Still using an original S7000. It will play most DVD+R I've burned off my PC so never really tried any other types -- beginners luck. Superb at playing CD's and DTS CD's though obviously won't do DTS DVD's.

I think I've had 3 regualr DVD's which wouldn't play upon 1st insertion though the weird thing was that after I played the disc on another player without problem t the Sony played it without an issue. Never figured that out.

Some of the S7000's (mainly from the first 2-3 months of production) had the switches which could make them both region free and Macrovision Free -- another reason to keep it in that you can make VHS copies of discs (old fashioned but still occasionally useful) or run a disc into a Capture card. Most of the models after June the first year had the switches removed. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to play PAL discs just other region NTSC discs.
post #11 of 11
I have been using the 7700 for about 10 years now and its been a work horse for me. However it doesn't do DVD+R DL at all. It consistently vomits on these discs.

So that being said I am looking at replacing or augmenting this player with a HDMI capable player that plays DVD-R and +R DL formats. I am holding off on the HD route.

I am thinking the Panasonic DVDS52S. Its less than 100 bucks and apparently is suppose to handle DL formats.

I'll probably keep the 7700 to play the conventional DVDs.
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