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post #121 of 3633
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Originally Posted by videoaddikt View Post

For a decent price, I don't see how that is much different than buying used. And with speakers they work or they don't. For the most part.
No one bought M&Ks (as far as I know) for how they look.


So does that mean that you would buy a projector by how it would sound or how
it projects? I have M&K's and they look very elegant....I must be lost on this one! I bought by how they sound. I feel you can have it all but maybe thats why we have Chocolate & Vanilla to each his own They are very WAF
as well

Dewboy3
post #122 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

The real problem is that the diversity is being lost. What is being sold today? Inwalls. Lots of em. Plasma/LCDs suck up a HUGE amount of the "oxygen". Showrooms are dying. Installers just install what makes them the most money - cheaply built appliances. High-end shops race for the top of the mountain with "prestige" brands like B&W, Wilson, Krell, Focal, etc to squeeze more and more money from a smaller amount of people. That leaves many mid level or entry high-end brands who don't do custom, but are neither exotic nor mass market finding the $$$ sucked right out from underneath them. I feel bad for all involved, but if too much demand were the problem, they'd be able to make it work. The real problem is, in fact, the opposite.

Certainly sad to see a name like M&K disappear, but I agree that there will be quite a few more obits written before this industry is fully shaken out.

Too many in this industry are far too slow in adapting to changing customer attitudes and behavior. The ones on the bubble spend too much time talking to dealers and not enough time listening to customers. Others think being the "anti-marketing" company is a strategy instead of a stupidity. And some seem to care more about tone arms and tube amps than e-commerce and product segmentation. That's all good and fine, but it doesn't pay the bills in an increasingly fluid and competitive environment.

There will always be a customer base for the prestige brands at high-end shops, but they don't want to carry the entry-level products of those brands or quality offerings from mid-fi names. Why give someone the option of $3k set up when they walked in prepared to drop $10k? In five years, I think the only place mid-fi will exist will be online and the only manufacturers left will be the ones that figure out how to sell there.
post #123 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Dewboy3 View Post

...I bought by how they sound. I feel you can have it all but maybe thats why we have Chocolate & Vanilla to each his own
Dewboy3

So was I not saying the same thing? I certainly did not buy mine because of how they look, but because of how they sound. And yes, I think there are certainly better looking speakers overall, but aesthetics was not my priority.
post #124 of 3633
Does anyone know what the difference is between the LCR 750 and LCR 750 mkII's? I have the 5.1 750 set up and was offered a pair of the LCR 750 mkII. Thought I would replace the 550 rear speakers with these.
post #125 of 3633
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Originally Posted by josh1233 View Post

Does anyone know what the difference is between the LCR 750 and LCR 750 mkII's? I have the 5.1 750 set up and was offered a pair of the LCR 750 mkII. Thought I would replace the 550 rear speakers with these.

Good question. Possibly a mid model before the 850 came out.
LCR means they are not designed for surround use, although I doubt they would hurt anything, but may not help much either over the 550s.
If they are better than the 750s, then I would want them up front.
post #126 of 3633
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Originally Posted by josh1233 View Post

Does anyone know what the difference is between the LCR 750 and LCR 750 mkII's? I have the 5.1 750 set up and was offered a pair of the LCR 750 mkII. Thought I would replace the 550 rear speakers with these.

From what I understand the difference between the regular 750 and the MKII model is a driver change. Apparently M&K switched to the Peerless drivers about a year after the original 750 was released. The driver was made to M&Ks specifications for the 750 MKII and supposedly better the the original drivers.
post #127 of 3633
Might also be a different crossover, but you can never be too sure, because there's little said on the official product specs about which drivers and crossovers are in which speakers. My S-85's were MkII's, and had the "Professional" crossover in them, instead of the consumer 4-post pick-your-config crossover, but I don't know if this is as a result of them being MkII's, or as a result of a lack of parts, as they were B-stock.
post #128 of 3633
I've owned most of the mk product line at one time or another. I currently run s-150's LCR, and run the s-150 in walls in the rear.

I was using the mk mx-350 untill last week. I'm using a jl f113 sub now. The mx 350 is a great sub, but the jl is the best sub I've ever heard or owned.

I use this system for movies and music, it does great with both in my opinion.

Is there any more info. regarding the closure of the mk factory?
post #129 of 3633
I found this out on the Internet, it doesn't really give any more information, but it could be updated when more information is out.

http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/17789.html
post #130 of 3633
Suspected MP150 in high glossy finishes posted in an AV Forum in China.

http://att.jd-bbs.com/day_070225/200...YItaZKo2Jp.jpg

This may be the suspected "counterfeit product" referred in M&K web.

I wonder whether it is an offical pre-production trial item or un-authorized production item or counterfeit product ??

post #131 of 3633
I had sent an electronics board back to M&K in early December to be repaired (vintage 1984 Volkswoofer). After exchanging numerious emails, the repair was not proceeding. This past Monday I received the board back with a letter that said they were unable to repair it as the factory was closed as of 2/21.

I thought it was interesting as they shipped it around the time that they "closed the factory" - not sure why they spent the money to send it back. Leads me to believe they will reorganize and emerge as M&K again at some point in time.

I still have a dead subwoofer and will be looking at new ones from other companies.
post #132 of 3633
They returned the item because it would be theft if they didn't.

MK is closed and not coming back. I am very sad about this, but am amazed they people just don't accept it and moved on.

In the end MK left badly and with little notice. I wasn't aware of the closure and emailed Berry up until the day after the official closure (I received 2 emails from him on Friday the 23rd) It wasn't until the last email that he mentioned anything about closing. That was the last email from him.

I am no light MK user.

I current run

Room1: 3 S-150, 4 SS-150 and a MX125
Room 2: 5 S-125 and a MX125
Room 3: 3 S-5000 and an MX125 (need some rear speakers still!)
even my garage I'm running 3 S-85's!!

I find it "suspicious" that they leave the message about fakes the same day they close. It is very suspicious and I don't believe it to be true. As a cuban cigar smoker, I know the industry of fakes. But if you can make a speaker look and sound like a MK speaker, then you can run your own company. The detail that MK went into with their speakers was/is amazing. If you buy sight unseen (online auctions) then you take a risk but if you can't tell a fake speaker from a real MK then you don't deserve to have an MK speaker!!!

MK is a coward. We have all left numerous emails with them and they haven't responded to a single one. I live in LA and if I can find Kreisel, I'll stop by his house and see if he is up for a chat about what he did to his customers.

Still find it odd that they took the time and research to design a subwoofer line for 2007. Obviously it was a snap decision to close down.
post #133 of 3633
It could also be that, stretched for money, losing market share, they decided to shift product to China *but* didn't do it quickly enough, couldn't put forward enough cash, the deal fell through or they couldn't afford to pay the ticked on the first batches, got into some other jam and realized they had no money *and* no product and therefore, had no option to close. Just speculation, but it addresses why their may be M&K "fakes" around. They could, in fact, be the first run of a Chinese-made M&K that never were paid for in full.
post #134 of 3633
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Originally Posted by dnmarino13 View Post


Still find it odd that they took the time and research to design a subwoofer line for 2007. Obviously it was a snap decision to close down.

It may have been the creditors' decision and not M&K's.
post #135 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

It could also be that, stretched for money, losing market share, they decided to shift product to China *but* didn't do it quickly enough, couldn't put forward enough cash, the deal fell through or they couldn't afford to pay the ticked on the first batches, got into some other jam and realized they had no money *and* no product and therefore, had no option to close. Just speculation, but it addresses why their may be M&K "fakes" around. They could, in fact, be the first run of a Chinese-made M&K that never were paid for in full.

That's the best theory of the situation that I've heard yet and it could be why nobody's talking.
post #136 of 3633
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Just speculation, but it addresses why their may be M&K "fakes" around. They could, in fact, be the first run of a Chinese-made M&K that never were paid for in full.

Look for 'em selling cheap then!
Actually, if that story proves true (and it sounds plausible), it would be almost comical and go down in the annals of business stupidity.
post #137 of 3633
Thank you for your interest in the closing of the M&K Chatsworth factory.

I am sorry it took me so long to send you a reply but I'm getting hundreds of emails every day from all over the world from M&K and Ken Kreisel fans like yourself.

Hopefully I will have more general answers for you in a few weeks, as well as information about repairs and parts and will email you with more details as soon as possible.

Rest assured, my love and passion has always been and will continue to be to design and build the world's best loudspeakers.

I apoligize in advance if any future email from you is not answered immediately by me due to the very large volume of emails I am receiving at this time.

In the meantime,

Good Sound To You.....Always,

KEN KREISEL

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So I guess he is not leaving us completely. I have a lot of speakers and want to know that they can still be covered under the warranty. Even mentions he wants to continue to build. A little operation out of his garage perhaps!

I'll post more if I hear anything. I emailed him more in depth about parts and warranty.
post #138 of 3633
That's what I thought too when I read it, unfortunately. It's interesting to say the least.
post #139 of 3633
Hi - I'm new to the forum generally as well as to this thread. I didn't realize, perhaps naively, that the announcement on the M&K site meant that M&K was closing its doors - I thought they were just going to another facility or shifting manufacturing overseas.

Its very unfortunate to hear about this. I'm not sure if this is inappropriate subject matter, but I've also been looking for an M&K S-150PK or MPS-2510P with a flat face (and in the case of the pro, one that has a cover on it) no older than 4 years old in good condition. Just one to use as a center channel. I've been looking quite some time for one but haven't been able to find. If anyone has any suggestions or has one they'd like to sell please let me know.

Also, with the discontinuation of their ST stands I've also found it difficult to find good stands for these speakers - does anyone have any suggestions?
post #140 of 3633
Got the same generic email.


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Originally Posted by dnmarino13 View Post

Thank you for your interest in the closing of the M&K Chatsworth factory.

I am sorry it took me so long to send you a reply but I'm getting hundreds of emails every day from all over the world from M&K and Ken Kreisel fans like yourself.

Hopefully I will have more general answers for you in a few weeks, as well as information about repairs and parts and will email you with more details as soon as possible.

Rest assured, my love and passion has always been and will continue to be to design and build the world's best loudspeakers.

I apoligize in advance if any future email from you is not answered immediately by me due to the very large volume of emails I am receiving at this time.

In the meantime,

Good Sound To You.....Always,

KEN KREISEL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

So I guess he is not leaving us completely. I have a lot of speakers and want to know that they can still be covered under the warranty. Even mentions he wants to continue to build. A little operation out of his garage perhaps!

I'll post more if I hear anything. I emailed him more in depth about parts and warranty.
post #141 of 3633
Wow. I was just cruising their online store 3-4 weeks ago. Was giving some serious thought to a speaker purchase. I absolutely had no idea they were about to go under.
post #142 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

It could also be that, stretched for money, losing market share, they decided to shift product to China *but* didn't do it quickly enough, couldn't put forward enough cash, the deal fell through or they couldn't afford to pay the ticked on the first batches, got into some other jam and realized they had no money *and* no product and therefore, had no option to close. Just speculation, but it addresses why their may be M&K "fakes" around. They could, in fact, be the first run of a Chinese-made M&K that never were paid for in full.

that's the best theory that I've read yet.

I'd rather see M&K die-off than have the intellectual property come back as cheap product with the old logo tacked to it. Has anyone seen Bell & Howell stuff at CC or worstbuy? How about KLH or AR, who actually made good stuff back in the day? Remember Broksonic? Asia is full of companies that have the cash to buy the names of plenty of down and out American brands, and then cheapen the legacy by selling branded products that can't hold a candle to their ancestors in name only.
post #143 of 3633
I bought a pair of B1600s today. I read on the MK website about the factory closing and I too had no idea that was the only factory and it actually meant M&K is out of business. But regardless, I listened to the B1600s and bought a pair for a fair price, only to learn just now that M&K is actually 'out of business', which is what the website should read. But to the reason I am posting now...

I am running a much older receiver, the HK AVR25II.

The speakers are 4 ohm. I don't know what the receiver is. I have full intention of replacing the receiver but I don't have it in the budget to do immediately.

I want to determine if my receiver and the b1600s are a good match.

Can anyone help to determine if I risk blowing the speakers? What do you need to know to know to determine if the HK receiver can play the 4ohm speakers? I didn't find anything in the HK manual about the ohm required on the speakers. I don't know what to make of the impedance statement in the manual. I don't want to ruin the speakers, especially if I went from a 10 year warranty to no warranty in a couple of hours.

Thanks in advance.
post #144 of 3633
Play away. The HK will handle the 1600s no prob.
post #145 of 3633
As a current MK owner, K3 system for the living room, I was disapointed to hear the company was closing. I have been contemplating pulling the trigger on the 750 THX setup, good thing I waited.

Maybe the news of the company going under will lend to companies closing out MK merchandise? It is a shame a company with the reputation of MK wasn't able to make it.

Just pray some lesser company doesn't purchase them and lower the brand to cheap Best Buy crap.
post #146 of 3633
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Originally Posted by the crane View Post

As a current MK owner, K3 system for the living room, I was disapointed to hear the company was closing. I have been contemplating pulling the trigger on the 750 THX setup, good thing I waited.

Maybe the news of the company going under will lend to companies closing out MK merchandise? It is a shame a company with the reputation of MK wasn't able to make it.

Just pray some lesser company doesn't purchase them and lower the brand to cheap Best Buy crap.

The 750 was being replaced with the 850 almost exclusively before the 'closing' happened. The 850 has higher grade components otherwise, in the same basic boxes with more finish choices I think.
I like my 750, but IMO there are other competing systems out there in the same price range I could be very happy with...
post #147 of 3633
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Just pray some lesser company doesn't purchase them and lower the brand to cheap Best Buy crap.

The temptation will , likely, be too strong to resist.
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post #149 of 3633
Interesting that Ken linked to the Willy Wonka site.
post #150 of 3633
Personally, I thought Willy Wonka was a wierdo freak who was too much of a little girl to deal with the actual issues instead of firing everybody and getting slaves to sing-and-dance for him.

It's obvious that I don't know the inner workings of M&K, but just shutting down the factory is a huge cop-out.

Let's see if Ken can do something in the future that will actually honor M&K's original warranty. A ten year warranty from a company that's only going to stay in business for 3 years is not a ten year warranty. Here's hoping I never require warranty work.
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