Official MK - Miller & Kreisel Thread?!? - Page 53

Chet,

Have you removed the cable from your processor from the speaker, to make sure you don't have a short somewhere in your XLR plug or speaker wire? I haven't worked with those plugs in years, but I remember having periodic problems with wires coming loose or shorting out to each other. This was mainly with stage equipment that got moved around a lot, but if you've moved the wire recently (unplugged then plugged in) I would suspect that first.

The ticking COULD be a protection circuit in the amp that is trying to prevent damage caused by a short. If so, the ticking would be a relay picking and releasing to test to see if the short is still present.

Hope this helps!

First, I tried to check the slow blow fuse on the outside, but it is white and you cannot see inside of it. I also checked all of the internal fuses on the amp and they all look good.

Yeah, I suspect that's what caused the ticking to begin with, but, after the first time the ticking occured, I removed the XLR cable and tried to power up the speaker without any XLR cable plugged in. Now, I can get the ticking to occur with just the amp plugged in (with the amp removed from the speaker.) Perhaps the damage was already done.

Bummer Chet.

If you are getting power to the amp, the slow blow fuse is still good.

The pics of the amp are interesting. Very nice amp inside those units.

I hope you get the issue resolved soon.

Mike

Brad, depending on the results of my S-150P amp, I might be interested in one of those M&K MPS2510P's. Would you be willing to part with one of them?

Chet,
Oddly enough, I floated the idea to my wife last night and she nixed it. Who knew that my wife actually likes good speakers! I was just thinking that maybe I could sell them, get some decent replacements and a new pre/pro and maybe wind up money ahead........

Darn,

Here's hoping that Chris can walk me through getting this fixed. This sucks.

Any other ideas? Whatever happened with MKSound? Are they honoring M&K warranties on items that they continue to sell?

I would definitely check with them as they may be able to help you but I'll bet the amps are different.

Even if they gave you some kind of deal on a new MK Sound version, it wouldn't match perfectly.

Mike

I got a chance to buy a 10 year old set of M&K speakers for $2k. It's got the front S-150THX speakers, SS-150THX surrounds and MX-350THX sub. There is slight wear on the boxes, but the speakers seem great.

I don't have any experience with this kind of speaker (currently using a 5.1 set of Bose speakers). So i have a few questions:

1) What is the life expectancy of speakers like these -- they seem to work great now, but given they were bought in 99, I wouldn't want them at their end of life.

2) What is the serviceability of the speakers if something does go wrong?

3) Are the speakers outdated? Are the new speakers from the current brands in the 2-3k range simply newer/better?

4) Can a standard receiver (e.g. Onkyo TX-SR706) drive these speakers or would i need additional amplifiers? Is there a different receiver brand that is more compatible with these speakers

5) Is 2k a reasonable deal for this set.

Apologies in advance if these questions are obvious or stupid.

Thanks!

Depends on how they are treated and what kind of environment they are kept in. If they were over driven and/or under powered, then that would greatly shorten the life if not kill them. Speakers will last longer if kept in a temperature controlled environment out of direct sunlight.


Little to none, because the original M&K is no longer.




There defiantly have been advancements in speaker technology over the last ten years but that does not mean that these speakers are inadequate. Keep in mind that many production studios still use these (with upgraded components that the pro series offered) or the new M&KSound’s equivalents.


These speakers did not cost $2-3K when they were new, you would have had to pay about $5,000- $6,000+ for this set. Used products always offer “value” over new products because you can get them cheaper that with new equipment. The tradeoff is not always knowing the history behind them.



This receiver will work. How effective it will be depends on other factors like how loud you like it, how big your room is (cubic), surfaces in the room, etc.


If these are in good condition, then based off what I have seen these go for on ebay, this is a good price. Something is only worth what others are willing to pay for it.

Thanks Rick, I'll keep watching ebay.

My advice is walk away from this deal, and have the speakers sold to me. I'll buy them in a second. I'll even pay you a finders fee.

Also, what advancements have been made in the last 10 years in speaker technology? Above and beyond these specific speakers

I agree. There have been some better motor designs introduced, servo controlled subs and some improvements in amplifier technology. Truthfully, none of these are deal breakers. This technology hasn't changed very much in the last 15-20 years.

This is why it is best to invest the bulk of your HT budget in great speakers. Speakers and amps are the most static pieces in your HT. Displays, players, pre/pro's, receivers etc... are constantly evolving.

How many pieces have you guys upgraded or traded out while your M&K's stay put?

2K sounds like a great opportunity if they are in good condition. If you find you like the sound of M&K's and live with them for a while you just might find it difficult to part with em. It would take a very costly investment for me to move onto something else.

If you don't like em, sell em! You'll get your 2K back.

Great advice!

As long as the speakers are in the stated condition, you really can't lose.

Mike

I have Front L/R S-150s and am now considering upgrading my surrounds.

I have limited options as the current speakers are hung from the ceiling and with a WAF need to most likely be white (to blend into the white ceiling). The M4Ts are available in white.....

Any opinions how the M4Ts might go with the S-150s??? I know they are not in the same level as the S150s but maybe you all have some experience (one way of the other)???

Anyone have the M4Ts and would care to share your feedback?

Hi,

I'd just like to give a big thanks to Ken Kreisel (I noticed he has posted in this thread a few times)....

I first read about M&K speakers in Home Cinema Choice magazine (UK) around 1997-1998. I always wanted a set of M&K's after reading the reviews and seeing the high-end installations they were used in. Then, after finding out that M&K's were used to master the fantastic soundtrack on Star Wars: Episode 1, I knew I had to hunt these speakers down...

So, after ten years, I finally found a set of three S-150's and an MX350 about a year ago and have been blown away by their performance ever since.

M&K (and the whole Star Wars thing) has made a direct impact on the course of my life as I have now just started my own home cinema installation business. I'm also off to do the THX Home Theater I course in June (London), and then back to Cedia a few days later.

It's great to know that MKSound has now opened and they will be keeping the legacy alive.

Anyway, enough of that Just wanted to say thanks.

Oh, and I forgot to say thanks to Chris (about the dimensions of the ST-1 bases). I think 13" wide by 15" deep looks about right. btw, does anyone else on here own the ST-1 stands?



OzOnE.

I do

I do too!

I wish I could find a set...does that count?

8-)

Have someone heard the new Inwall speakers from MK ? IW 85, IW 95 and IW 150?

http://www.mksoundsystem.com/mkInWall.htm

I am planing for my new house and have already a MK system and wonder if I can integrate this new speakers with my old 150PK (purchased 04 or 05) for surround purpose?

I have not heard them and I doubt the usual suspects on this thread have either.

Most will probably tell you the new drivers are a mystery and don't mix them with old M&K speakers. This is usually the way of thinking on replacement drivers anyway. They'll probably have a different sound than your PK's, maybe not. You may not notice as much if used as surrounds. I'm not sure how the original M&K inwalls sounded. Never heard them either.

Does anyone know how the original inwalls sounded with powered or passive regular cabinet versions?

I'd personally look for some quality used M&K's from a seller with good rep.

Please, let us know if you decide to incorporate mksound in-walls in your system. I'm sure everyone is interested to know how they sound.

Hello to all! I need some help/advice. I recently received a M&K MX-5000 MkII that was damaged in transit by FedEx. It seems that they dropped the sub on its corner, causing the MDF to crunch the corner. I was bummed out to say the least, but then i noticed a hair-line crack in the front of the cabinet, just above the "vent" hole. I don't think it runs into the closed portion of the cabinet, but I don't know for sure. All but 3 of the Speaker guides that stick out of the face of the sub to hold the cover were sheared off.

So, is there anywhere I can find a place to test and or repair this cabinet? Or, is the sub automatically toast when it has this kind of damage. I need to try and fix this, as I am getting a lot of push back from FedEx, as to the extent of their responsibility of the damage. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

-Gio

WOW! Let me first say how badly I feel your pain. Truely Sucks!

I'd try Deep Surplus to find parts to replace grill pegs. David might be able to help with damage also. He is a cool guy and has a lot of knowledge and parts at his disposal.

As far as the cabinet goes:

can you post pics? Hard to get an idea of damage without seeing it. If inner cabinet isn't damaged it should just be cosmetic.

I'd be very firm with Fed-Ex. You did have insurance? It shouldn't be very hard to prove they dropped it. I'd say the driver was very pushy and wouldn't wait till I had time to inspect upon delivery. This is assuming they didn't leave it on your dooerstep. All the better if they did! There is always something around the corner if you can get your money back and can't live with the damage.

Sorry, but who's David? How can get in touch with him?


Will post pics A.S.A.P. I hope it's just cosmetic.


Oh, they have acknowledged the fact that they damaged it, but now they want to pay what they think is a fair market price: $700! And that's becasue they subscribe to usedprices.com a website to assess values for used items. They say that the MX-5000 was made back in 1994, so it can't be worth anywhere near what it originally sold for with deprecitation. Amazing how they can determine what someone should be paying for an item that is no longer produced.

http://www.deepsurplus.com/Home-Thea...er-Kriesel-M-K
949-643-5004


If the crack goes all the way through, you could seal it with silicone or something but finding everywhere it leaks could be problematic. I'd say it would probably not be worth it but it would depend on the extent of the damage.


It would be fairly easy to prove what that sub is worth on eBay. Just get some closed auctions together to justify the higher price. You should be able to prove it was worth around $1,000 to $1,300. However, I don't think I have seen many of these sold lately.

Mike

Does anybody know if the power supply board on the amp of the S-150PK is the same as the one found on the MPS-2510P?

www.orangecountyspeakerrepair.com will diagnose just about anything. However, nobody is going to be able to fix a crushed corner of mdf. You would have to have a new cabinet built, or if it is not affecting the seal of the cabinet just live with the results of a subwoofers that was packaged with newspapers and peanuts.

I own a Miller & Kreisel (M&K) satellite and subwoofer 1B system. It is a beautiful set with a walnut cabinet, stands etc. Recently the subwoofer just started making a deep vibrational humming sound. I disconnected the subwoofer, and the satellites are fine.

I could not find any authorized repair sites. I called one local repair person recommended by a high end AV store, who told me over the phone, without seeing the subwoofer, that the problem was due to a malfunctioned part of the amplifier. He did not have the part.

The satellites work fine. The system is about 20 years old, but still visually and sonically fine. Is the subwoofer repairable? Has anyone else experienced this? I am in Los Angeles. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what the problem is, and where to get it fixed?

Thank you