Official MK - Miller & Kreisel Thread?!? - Page 104

Nice find, thanks for sharing. She did lie to him. She said that his projector will be the highest resolution available today.

What... wait, why pull his amps for a receiver? Technology has evolved so much that we now have everything in one box? Funny. And they laid the S-150's on thier side. I really feel like they milked him. So sad.

Edit: I guess I should have read all of your comments before watching and posting.

Why in the hell are they setting the S-150's on a shelf without some type of acoustic foam underneath at the very least to isolate the speaker from the shelf...?

Fair comment, I said the same thing when I saw it. Parasound (halo?) amps got yanked from the system? seriously? Hell that's than upgrade from the internal amps in the Integra receiver. If they did their homework they would have just gotten him an updated PRE/PRO kept his amp. - Not a good example of a HIGH TECH makeover but it is , what it is. it's a good example of what NOT to do. Upgrades are fine but only if they are in fact UPGRADES and not downgrades or crossgrades. Anyone know what his old speakers were? I wonder if the people from Parasound have seen this?

Also I wonder if his old gear ended up on ebay or craigslist ?

AR existed post Kloss for several years, they even made a few good models through the years ( I recently acquired a pair of AR302's well past the Kloss era, that I understand were the brainchild of Ken Kantor)

Same with Advent, and Now even ARAGON/ACURUS ( Klipsch killed the original quality that Mondial put into the line, but it looks like Indy Audio Labs is coming out swinging now that they own the name ).

Cambridge Soundworks Post Kloss, had a few solid products designed by Bob Hazelwood ( Newton series product) - although under the continued direction of Creative Labs the company that really had a solid product line is just a shell of it's former self and I don't expect it to survive for much longer as it stands.
Rumor has it , that some of the employees wanted to buy the company back but creative balked. - The original line has great refurb and upgrade potential they just get overlooked since they were considered a "value" speaker brand, but man was that stuff solidly built early on.

If MK Sound maintains the original design and build quality of the original line then the M&K brand will continue to maintain some respect by owners of the original products. It's certainly nowhere close to what CSW has become under creative, nor is it like Energy , Aragon and Acurus under Klipsch.
EPI , JBL and other original brands lost their quality under Harman. From great quality and high performance to plasticky garbage. ( poor EPI 70's , not even close to what they originally were). Hell, KLIPSCH isn't even like KLIPSCH these days.

MK SOUND still isn't a mass market brand. There is more to be concerned about if it ever makes it to Best buy and Walmart. Infinity, Polk, Mirage, Wharfedale, Martin Logan, Definitive Technology and so many others seemed to trade in something for greater market share and higher revenues ( gotta keep those shareholders and venture capitalist happy ).

When you compare the quality of say an Acoustic Energy Aegis One to what was an equally priced JBL or Polk product of the same era, you start to understand why the term "Sell out" is valid. It becomes a margin game and all bets are off in engineering a quality product that speaks to "HIGH FIDELITY". Slap that familar brand logo on any old turd and sell it at a big box store and everyone is happy... well everyone except the hobbyist who remember that brand when....

Some have been able to shake off a little of their crap product days ( NAD comes to mind.. not quite sure Nakamichi ever pulled up after their foray into the world of the BIG BOX - I remember being saddened seeing crappy receivers by them at Circuit city or whoever it was they sold to back in the day) Sony did it to themselves when they watered down their ES line of amplifiers and receivers. ( they followed in the footsteps of GM who released the subcompact CIMMARON as a CADILLAC.. Epic Fail! and the late model ES series gear follows suit)

Back to MK Sound and M&K looks like they have a NEW USA distributor , and they appear to be developing new product, and they are NOT in best buy at this time. so that says a little something. - I'm a fan of the Classic M&K gear and if the new company releases some products that I'm interested in ( something like the S1c's for example) I'd be willing to pull out my wallet in support.

Hi All MK Owners,

I am thinking of getting the MK Gears,ie. The S150,S150T and MX350. However currently I have the Paradigm Sub 1 which I aint sure if switching to MX350 is actually a good move or should I just keep the Sub 1?

Stick with the sub 1.

Hi MKtheater,

If Sub 1 is better then would switching from my existing Paradigm Studio 100,CC690 and adp590 v5 series to the MK Sound S150 n S150T yield the improved definition I am looking for in term of image depth and width? My Paradigms are currently all front bi amp and powered by Rotels RB1582 whereas I am thinking of using Anthem P5 and D2v to drive the MK gears. The reason why the switch is due to considerably size of the Paradigms especially the fronts and the units of amps required to drive them as well. I thought a wall hanging MK looks cool and free up more floor space but certainly I don't mind the subs though.

Where should I be heading then?

Got the 2.0 mounts. I attached to my center channel and tightened the clamp pretty hard to get a feel....much easier to tighten on the floor with no wall to deal with. I then would pick up the speaker from the mount only to simulate how it would be on the wall. Each time the speaker would slowly begin to tile down. I took off the ball and I could see the indentations in it from the "teeth" of the clamp. How tight do you have to go? I'm thinking of spraying some "stick'em" on the ball to make it tacky and hope that will help hold it in place. Thoughts?

My friend has a paradigm system but I can't remember the model and he was blown away by my M&K S -5000's. My speakers were playing 18 DBS louder and cleaner. What are your goals for said system besides size?

Mine had teeth marks and was pretty tight.

Hi MKtheater,

My ultimate aim is to have a high resolution system to unveil layers of music and movie info. Not sure if the MK S150 system can do so or gotta go for the 2510p instead?

At least that gives me confidence that it will hold. Still might spray some "stick'um" on the ball to help. Seems like a real pain to tighten down once on the wall. Not much room to maneuver.

New guy here popping in to hopefully get an answer on my speakers. I have the original Satellite-1/Volkswoofer from 1981. Replaced the sub surround once and they are still going strong; you get what you pay for
Is it a wise investment to add S-85's to the rear and an S-85c or just start fresh since I am dealing with 30+ year old speakers?
Old ones are 8 ohm and the new are 4 ohm so there's an engineering no-no already.
TIA

should it stay or should it go is really up to whatever YOUR ears ( and your wallet) tell you. I'd keep it simple and the cost low whatever I did, maybe have the crossover's re-capped to breath some new life into your Vintage M&K, ( some cabinet and Grill TLC if needed) it's certainly more cost effective than buying "new" ( or even newer used).

I'd take that route, see what the outcome is and move forward from there. Now if I just had a windfall of cash... and had the "itch" to try something different then I'd go second hand M&K shopping. Maybe just do a bit of BUY and SELL , this way your vintage set continues on in the after life of your ownership and you'll pay it forward for a newer set of S-85, 125, S-100B/150THX or whatever you end up with.

Hello all,

I just picked up 3 LCR-55s for my front 3. I have always love MK sound and have just got back into them after a long spell with Klipsch. I am very impressed with the sound of these little speakers; they are transparent and CLEAR. Anyway, my question is about the center. As it is identical to the other two, should I place it on its side or upright? Thanks!

Either orientation is fine on most M&K speakers through the S-100B - some models including Those labeled "THX" generally have a limited dispersion pattern and hence it's advised to use them in the orientation noted by the manufacturer. The 55, s-85, S125 etc can all operate vertically or horizontally as a center speaker. The primary difference in speakers labeled as "CENTER" channel is magnetic shielding and the orientation of the binding post plate. generally speaking there are few differences between a "center" speaker and it's Left and right counter part. Marketing may suggest otherwise though.

Thank you!

At the moment i have the new s150 mkII using a Lexicon gx-7 amp . I am thinking of replace Them wit the powerred version 2150p. What Will the benefits bee? If Any at All?

The powered version is ideal for mixing studios where space is an issue, like having to find room for multi-channel amplifiers. I remember someone comparing the powered version of the M&K Pro monitors and the (M&K S-150's) non-powered monitors and they were very close in sound quality! I would personally go for the s150 mkII over the powered versions simply because you can customize the characteristics of the sound by using different multi-channel amplifiers, using a Parasound Halo amplifier (A52) gives you all of the extra detail!

Spot on! I was going to suggest the same. There are certainly some instances where powered monitors in a hometheater application is ideal, but the flexibility of tailoring the system by changing amplification is lost. Like using a team of NAD 2200PE amps in bridged mono. 1 stereo amp per speaker. overkill? maybe, but it's like having an eager dogsled team driving the system. Those amps are so underrated it's silly. but whatever you choose to power the S-150 MKII , you'll have the flexibility later to change things up later if desired.

Yes i now. But som Said the using active filter, a costumiced AMP for that specific driver , Will give som advantegded regards dynamic and the way it deliver it.
Any comment on that?

Edit:

I dont Think that the parasound AMP Will add somthing , that my Lexicon AMP can't .

I'm not going to take sides and tell you what you should do. They are both great options. I will say space concerns is not the reason pro studio's use powered monitors. It is nice to have the flexibility to swap out amps with passive speakers. However, IMO a good engineered amp will be just as good as the next. Minimal change in SQ when swaping out a parasound for a bryston. Insert your favorite amps. You get the idea.

articles you might find interesting:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...rs-1-2003.html

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...s-12-2002.html

I will tell you why I decided to get the S-150PK's and you can take from it what you will.

I wanted the speakers to be designed and tuned by M&K using the amps that I would be using. I figured that, if I bought just the speakers without the amps and then I bought a different amp, it wouldn't be the right brand, wattage, harder to calibrate, etc. It would have been tuned by M&K using a different amp than I was using. By having the amp built onto the speaker, I didn't have to shop for the right brand, etc. One less decision to make. Plus, I could run balanced XLRs, vs. speaker wires.

The down side? I have more amps that could fail on me. I now have 6 amps (5 S-150PK's & the sub amp) vs. one or 2 amps running everything. I already had one amp fail after M&K went out of business and, even though MK Sound didn't even bother to reply, I e-mail Ken and he hooked me up with the amp manufacture. It was taken care of free of charge (I paid shipping to and from).

The other down side is that the amps make the speakers a lot heavier, but once they are mounted, that's not a big deal.

Oh, and you have to have power outlets everywhere a speaker is mounted. That's a real pain.

Over all, I'm really happy because I don't have to buy a separate amp or a receiver with an amp built it. I went with an Integra pre-amp with XLR outputs and I'm done.

Yep, that all makes perfect sense too. - At the end of the Day, it's an M&K System. what's not to like

hi all,

i just wanted to let everyone know that i posted on audiogon today my beloved m&k set up.

includes:

-5 x S-5000thx
-SS-500thx
-S-90

was used with my integra dhc 80.1 for a 9.2 set up.

cheers

Looking for a pair of LCR 55's, SS 550's, or Tripole 55's. I have LCR 45's using as back surrounds and would like to upgrade to match my SS 550's. If someone would like to trade for my LCR 45's plus cash, then I will do that as well. I have original boxes and manual. PM me if anyone has any they are willing to sell. I've tried eBay and Audiogon. In fact I just bought a good pair of LCR 55's and they were completely crushed by Fedex. I was disappointed to say the least.

I have S-150's with 2 SS-150 surrounds, I'll be adding 2 more SS-150's very soon. I'm looking to get a new 7.1 receiver... any suggestions?

Get separates. You Need power so start at 400 watts at 4 ohms load

Which would be the recommended separates for that type of system?