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post #3181 of 3633
I recently purchased a used set of LCR-750 MK II's (2 front and center) along with a V851 sub. So now I am totally dissappointed with my surrounds!

Any suggestions from the M&K experienced on what would be a good match? I would love to stay with M&K if I could find them for the right price.

Would the S-85's be a good match with my 750's?

Other suggestions are appreciated as well though.
post #3182 of 3633
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Originally Posted by triumphrider74 View Post

I recently purchased a used set of LCR-750 MK II's (2 front and center) along with a V851 sub. So now I am totally dissappointed with my surrounds!

Any suggestions from the M&K experienced on what would be a good match? I would love to stay with M&K if I could find them for the right price.

Would the S-85's be a good match with my 750's?

Other suggestions are appreciated as well though.

Sounds about right. - In place of a pair of M&K dipole/Tripole speakers, Definitive Technology BP-2X come in at around half the cost and sound pretty amazing ( not to mention a close tibre match to the M&K ).

CSW's Original "THE SURROUND" dipole - is also up to the task, for ridiculously short money on the used market ( this assessment is only on the ORIGINAL MDF version).

I used 85's as surround REAR's with great success, They've been replaced by a pair of S-100B and will go up once get my space re-organized.
post #3183 of 3633
I currently have a 5.1 system that consists of three S-150 THX LCR speakers, two SS-150 Tri-poles, and the MX350 subwoofer. I would like to upgrade to a 9.1 system. I wonder if you can help me with some questions:
  • What speakers should I use for L/R height speakers?
  • Ditto if I go with L/R wide speakers?
  • How about the back surround speakers?
  • Finally, there are no close by dealers. I would appreciate pointers to where to buy the speakers from (PM if you prefer).

Thanks in advance.
post #3184 of 3633
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Originally Posted by YAVman View Post

I currently have a 5.1 system that consists of three S-150 THX LCR speakers, two SS-150 Tri-poles, and the MX350 subwoofer. I would like to upgrade to a 9.1 system. I wonder if you can help me with some questions:
  • What speakers should I use for L/R height speakers?
  • Ditto if I go with L/R wide speakers?
  • How about the back surround speakers?
  • Finally, there are no close by dealers. I would appreciate pointers to where to buy the speakers from (PM if you prefer).

Thanks in advance.

I also have the same system as you.

IMHO the Height/Width speakers do not have to be the same as the front LCR's.

You could use 950 L/R for width speakers and if you want to go inwall, then the IW95 could do height (or even IW150 which are really the same as you front LCR models.). If small size is important then the S550THX model may also do a good job for height and width.

Back Surround speakers - you could use the same as your current side surrounds or go for smaller/cheaper inwall/onwall models. If funds are tight and you want a direct radiator for back surrounds then the S550THX is a direct radiator also.

Go to the MK website and they will be able to list the dealers in your area.

Keep us posted on how you get on.
post #3185 of 3633
Thanks for the quick reply. LCR-950 would be just the right size for the spots in my theater. I will look into the options for the back surround. I suspect that I will not need to go as high as the 150Ts for the back surround. I'll keep you posted.
post #3186 of 3633
Does anyone know for certain if the amps used in M&K subwoofers use equalization? I've often seen it alluded to but there's nothing in the documentation (that I have been able to find).
post #3187 of 3633
I bought a very large MK sub in 1996 and have had it hooked up ever since. I have recently moved and upgraded my equipment again but since it's been so long since I've disconnected that sub, I can't remember where to connect at the back of the sub.

I've searched MK web site, they no long make the Sub so I can't get any hook info on it. The Mk-125

I have two possible plug-ins:

From pre-amp - Left/mono or Right
And then a phase switch + or -
Also some other switches I will figure our later.
Any help is appreciated.
post #3188 of 3633
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Originally Posted by k huntin View Post

I bought a very large MK sub in 1996 and have had it hooked up ever since. I have recently moved and upgraded my equipment again but since it's been so long since I've disconnected that sub, I can't remember where to connect at the back of the sub.

I've searched MK web site, they no long make the Sub so I can't get any hook info on it. The Mk-125

I have two possible plug-ins:

From pre-amp - Left/mono or Right
And then a phase switch + or -
Also some other switches I will figure our later.
Any help is appreciated.

Well, here is a list of the subs they had in 1996.

http://web.archive.org/web/199701250...m/sub_pix.html

Was it the MX-125, the V-125 or the V-125THX?

Here are manuals for the:

V-125 - http://web.archive.org/web/200202031...50_v125thx.pdf

MX-125(THX) and V-125THX - http://web.archive.org/web/200202031...Subwoofers.pdf

I hope this helps.
post #3189 of 3633
recently purchased the S150 front, center speakers. What amp do you recommend powering them with ?
Will those 80w yamaha, denon, onkyo receivers do the job ?
Thanks for the inputs.
post #3190 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Ferdinand77 View Post

recently purchased the S150 front, center speakers. What amp do you recommend powering them with ?
Will those 80w yamaha, denon, onkyo receivers do the job ?
Thanks for the inputs.

Hi

Congrats on the new speakers.

The receivers manufacturers you mention all do nice kit. I have heard S150 speakers on the end of Onkyo and Denon receivers and depending on model they will power the S150's. It did not sound that good though as the S150's do perform much better with a proper/quality amplification.

To really get the best from your investment, a power amp will do a better job as that is all it does and will have more current reserves. Higher end receiver models will also have good power amps within but as receivers will do a lot of other things as well, compromises will will made. 80w is not really that much at all if you want good dynamics and close to reference level spl's at your listening position.

Beware of manufacturer specs when looking at the power outputs. Does it state the power output when ALL channels are driven or only when a single channel is driven? Normally the specs will show higher results with a single channel and mask the fact that there is not much 'grunt' to power all the speakers when the going gets tough.

Have you got any particular models in mind?
post #3191 of 3633
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferdinand77 View Post

recently purchased the S150 front, center speakers. What amp do you recommend powering them with ?
Will those 80w yamaha, denon, onkyo receivers do the job ?
Thanks for the inputs.

I definitely recommend an external power amp, even if it is a lower powered one like the Outlaw 7075. Yes, an 80 watt receiver will do the job, but if you really want to get your full investment from your speakers, then a receiver is not going to get the job done for you. M&K speakers are power hungry.
post #3192 of 3633
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/foru...y&fid=7&page=1

i was digging around about the new kk subs and found this forum. check out the first couple pages. there are several threads about the new subs. Ken seems to be doing well in HK. there are great pics and some videos of Ken dropping knowledge.
post #3193 of 3633
Can anyone help shed some knowledge please....

I am just about to bite the bullet and purchase a used MX-350.. The seller has replaced one
driver with model number S30F77 which as far as I am aware was the driver used on the MX-5000
not MX-350. Are these drivers interchangeable or ever installed in MX350's?
will this potentially have adverse sound quality effects if not?


Thank
post #3194 of 3633
Quote:
Originally Posted by littlescrubs View Post

Can anyone help shed some knowledge please....

I am just about to bite the bullet and purchase a used MX-350.. The seller has replaced one
driver with model number S30F77 which as far as I am aware was the driver used on the MX-5000
not MX-350. Are these drivers interchangeable or ever installed in MX350's?
will this potentially have adverse sound quality effects if not?

Thank

That's a tough one. I personally would be worried about the cabinet not reacting well with the MX-5000 driver. I'm no expert but I think these cabinets are specifically tuned to the drivers.
post #3195 of 3633
Hoping someone can advise.

I have an old M&K V-3B sub that the AMP just died. No light, no nothing. The sub has a DVC (dual voice coil) 12" driver, and 100w power.

I really enjoy this sub and it's sound so I'm wondering what some of you would suggest to get it running again -- or other options.

Here are my options as I see them.

1) Have the amp repaired -- Need to know who could do this? Just a local TV repair/electronics shop?
2) Replace the amp -- need to know with what and how I would deal with the dual voice coils since most of the amps I've seen are for SVC? Also how many watt amp should I get?
3) Junk the driver and amp and use the box for a new driver and amp combo that might be better all around in the long run for a few hundred dollars.

What do you recommend.
post #3196 of 3633
I purchased some LCR-45's on ebay to use as surrounds with my LCR-750/V851 setup. They sound really good and are a much better match than what I was using. This is a temporary setup until I can get some SURR-55's or SURR-550's for rears, then I can use the LCR-45's for 7.1.
One of the LCR-45's was not as loud as the other and when I looked closer the 4" driver housing was cracked at 2 of the screw holes. Could this account for the difference in sound between the two?

Thanks for any opinions offered.
post #3197 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Brunnerboy View Post


At $300+ per stand, it looks like I'll go the DIY route. Besides, it will justify all the tools in the garage!

For another topic, I was looking to get a new receiver for my 150's. Thinking of

1) Onkyo 809
2) integra 50.3
3) ????

If I got the onkyo I could add an Emotiva amp down the line. 100% ht. 3,000 cu ft room.

Any suggestions are appreciated!

Hi Brunnerboy,

I have used a Denon 5803 for seven years and it drives my S-150 x 3 and SS-150 x 2. It has worked flawlessly for me. Plenty of power.

Dave
post #3198 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Drumzerbe View Post


Hi Brunnerboy,

I have used a Denon 5803 for seven years and it drives my S-150 x 3 and SS-150 x 2. It has worked flawlessly for me. Plenty of power.

Dave

Everything works fine until the day you've heard them the way Ken designed. If you can't afford external amps then you will surely think that a receiver is capable of the same performance. But if money was no question would you still want a receiver, or would you be curious? This is in no way intended to be knocking anyone's opinion for everything in this industry is subjective. But an amp will last you 20 years plus and technology will have almost no sonic sound differences. With that in mind, why would you ever want to buy a receiver?
5 years ago consumers wanted hdmi
4 years ago consumers wanted to then upgrade to hdmi 1.3
2 years ago consumers wanted their hdmi equipment to be 3-D compatible.
*This year people only want Kreisel's new products.
And in 3 years everyone is going to want 4000 resolution monitors and compatible hdmi equipment.

My point is why invest your power in a box that will most likely be upgraded 5-7 times more frequently then a power amplifier? The day you switch is the day you never go back. So the question is, when will you choose to afford it?
post #3199 of 3633
I am still on the lookout to get back my set up. My former set up was the following:

M&K MPS 2510p x 3
M&K MPS 2525p x 4
M&K MPS 5410p sub x 1

Tag McLaren AV32R.

Does anyone know where I can locate any of the speakers for sale out on the market? Someone had sent me a PM about a few 2510p's and a 5310 sub, but I did not see it until recently.

I still have my Tag McLaren. So, if the M&K's are not available, does anyone know of a similiar set-up that is powered?
post #3200 of 3633
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Originally Posted by smitty8000 View Post


Everything works fine until the day you've heard them the way Ken designed. If you can't afford external amps then you will surely think that a receiver is capable of the same performance. But if money was no question would you still want a receiver, or would you be curious? This is in no way intended to be knocking anyone's opinion for everything in this industry is subjective. But an amp will last you 20 years plus and technology will have almost no sonic sound differences. With that in mind, why would you ever want to buy a receiver?
5 years ago consumers wanted hdmi
4 years ago consumers wanted to then upgrade to hdmi 1.3
2 years ago consumers wanted their hdmi equipment to be 3-D compatible.
*This year people only want Kreisel's new products.
And in 3 years everyone is going to want 4000 resolution monitors and compatible hdmi equipment.

My point is why invest your power in a box that will most likely be upgraded 5-7 times more frequently then a power amplifier? The day you switch is the day you never go back. So the question is, when will you choose to afford it?

Well said. If you can afford a $1500 receiver then you can afford a $500 receiver with pre outs and a b-stock Outlaw amp. Much better sound quality and a better upgrade path as well.
post #3201 of 3633
Thanks for the feedback! I went with the onkyo 809 and will be used as a processor for the next year.

Looking at getting an Outlaw or Emotiva amp then.
post #3202 of 3633
I have the M&K S-85's up front including the centre speaker. I just love these speakers and they haven't missed a beat since the day I bought them.

I never really give much thought to the subwoofer crossover frequency for these subs and the spec suggests that they roll off between 82-85db (I remember asking M&K back in the day and that's what they told me) even though the spec sheet suggests 85-87.

That being the case; where would you set your crossover frequency for the sub for maximum integration 80/90 or somewhere in between?

Thanks
post #3203 of 3633
Quote:
Originally Posted by samhain1 View Post

I have the M&K S-85's up front including the centre speaker. I just love these speakers and they haven't missed a beat since the day I bought them.

I never really give much thought to the subwoofer crossover frequency for these subs and the spec suggests that they roll off between 82-85db (I remember asking M&K back in the day and that's what they told me) even though the spec sheet suggests 85-87.

That being the case; where would you set your crossover frequency for the sub for maximum integration 80/90 or somewhere in between?

Thanks

Depends, if you're using a HT processor/receiver or just a 2ch system.
Most THX certified surround processor's will set high pass at 80ish and low pass at 80. In that scenario the sub can be set wide open . it's only going to produce sounds at and below the frequency that the pre/pro is sending, everything above 80 or so will be choked and sent to the main L/R speakers..

If it's a 2channel set up.. You'll be dialing in the crossover settings manually to match the mains low end roll off with minimal overlap if possible so you're not doubling frequencies or leaving a huge dip in the cross from Satellite to Subwoofer.
post #3204 of 3633
Thanks I am using a Yamaha Z11 home theatre amplifier and have set it to the thx setting even though they are not thx speakers but it sets to 80hz so that's where it is I just wondered given that they are not running down to 80 or below that the low pass and high pass should sit at 90 and this would give better integration.

Just a thought
post #3205 of 3633
Hello everyone! I'm looking to purchase a pair of SS550 surrounds or the Tripole 55's. Also looking for M&K in walls for surrounds. I have a pair of SS550's for the sides and a pair of LCR 45's as my surround back speakers in a 7.2 system. I would like to get the matching 550's to match or 4 matching in walls. No luck on eBay or audiogon. If anyone has any they would like to sell, please let me know!

Thanks,
Jeff
post #3206 of 3633
I have an opportunity to buy a used V-125. I don't know how old it is. I have a serial of 027005. Would that be of any help to determine its age?
post #3207 of 3633
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Originally Posted by scootchu View Post

I have an opportunity to buy a used V-125. I don't know how old it is. I have a serial of 027005. Would that be of any help to determine its age?

Assuming that the driver looks good and you have opportunity to test it, just get it. I don't really think that age is a factor if it's been cared for properly. Or are you just curious?
post #3208 of 3633
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Originally Posted by JVoth View Post

Hello everyone! I'm looking to purchase a pair of SS550 surrounds or the Tripole 55's. Also looking for M&K in walls for surrounds. I have a pair of SS550's for the sides and a pair of LCR 45's as my surround back speakers in a 7.2 system. I would like to get the matching 550's to match or 4 matching in walls. No luck on eBay or audiogon. If anyone has any they would like to sell, please let me know!

Thanks,
Jeff

Hey, Jeff. You may have seen these, buy I think they would be a timbre match to your SS-550's. They look to be in really nice shape. It's a real challenge finding the exact M&K to fill out a matching system. Good luck!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350521226553...84.m1423.l2649

Russell
post #3209 of 3633
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Originally Posted by triumphrider74 View Post

Assuming that the driver looks good and you have opportunity to test it, just get it. I don't really think that age is a factor if it's been cared for properly. Or are you just curious?

Curious as it could be pretty old and I worry about the plate amp down the road. The seller doesn't know as it was given to him as payment for work he did. I think I can get it for 200, but if it were older I could offer less.
post #3210 of 3633
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Originally Posted by scootchu View Post

Curious as it could be pretty old and I worry about the plate amp down the road. The seller doesn't know as it was given to him as payment for work he did. I think I can get it for 200, but if it were older I could offer less.

You know it's at least as old as 2007. If the woofer says "Discover Deep Bass" it is even older. I have an older V851 and absolutely love it. Offer him $150 and see what he says. That's a very fair price. Have you heard it?
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