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post #3301 of 3633
Does anyone know where I can find replacement fasteners for the S5000 grills?
post #3302 of 3633
Does anyone know where I can find replacement fasteners for the S5000 grills?
post #3303 of 3633
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Originally Posted by wbrinker View Post

Does anyone know where I can find replacement fasteners for the S5000 grills?

I had one break off ages ago but luckily I still have 3 of the pegs so the grill still holds. Good luck..

PS: Anyone see any S5000s for sale recently?
post #3304 of 3633
I bought a sub from M&K just before the bankruptcy. It arrived with two broken grill pins. BluTac was my solution.
post #3305 of 3633
Try parts express.
post #3306 of 3633
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Originally Posted by ifor View Post

Try parts express.

How do you remove the grill pin "cup" (sometimes with the broken plastic pin inside) from the front panel of the speaker?
post #3307 of 3633
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

How do you remove the grill pin "cup" (sometimes with the broken plastic pin inside) from the front panel of the speaker?

They are glued in there. Often they come out over time just by removing the grill.
post #3308 of 3633
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Originally Posted by thxman View Post

They are glued in there. Often they come out over time just by removing the grill.

Not mine, especially with the broken pins still inside. There is no traction on them to loosen them up. I think I'll stick (literally!) with BluTac.
post #3309 of 3633
To get the peg out you need to drill a hole into it (smaller than an 1/8") whatever you got. Then get a screw and a screwdriver and turn about 3 full rotations. Next just pull the screw out with pliers.
post #3310 of 3633
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Originally Posted by smitty8000 View Post

To get the peg out you need to drill a hole into it (smaller than an 1/8") whatever you got. Then get a screw and a screwdriver and turn about 3 full rotations. Next just pull the screw out with pliers.

Thanks!
post #3311 of 3633
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Originally Posted by masterslacker View Post

I had one break off ages ago but luckily I still have 3 of the pegs so the grill still holds. Good luck..

PS: Anyone see any S5000s for sale recently?

I've got a pair of S-5000THX that I might consider selling. - Still debating swapping them out and using my Sonus Faber system in their place.
post #3312 of 3633
I am running an almost 14 year old M&K THX 750 set, its been in storage for a few months but I am resetting it up in a new house in a few weeks. My current problem is after switching to a Pioneer VSX-92TXH. I seem to have lost some projection of the center channel and in most movie soundtracks the LR speakers way over power the center and I am loosing dialoge. going by most recomened setups and using the built in mic-based tuner. I still find the center lacking.

any setup recomendations for these speakers?
or should I look in to getting an amp just for the center?

The amps in the Receiver are rated at 130w@8ohms, no real rating on 4ohms, maybe I need to get a whole new Receiver/Amp setup? any suggestions? Really right now everything runs great other than I loose some dialogue tracks in the center channel the way movies are being mixed recently.

these speakers are still the focal point of my setup as I haven't found any newer setups that offer as even sound with such quality at a price worth replacement.
post #3313 of 3633
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Originally Posted by claydo View Post

I am running an almost 14 year old M&K THX 750 set, its been in storage for a few months but I am resetting it up in a new house in a few weeks. My current problem is after switching to a Pioneer VSX-92TXH. I seem to have lost some projection of the center channel and in most movie soundtracks the LR speakers way over power the center and I am loosing dialoge. going by most recomened setups and using the built in mic-based tuner. I still find the center lacking.

any setup recomendations for these speakers?
or should I look in to getting an amp just for the center?

The amps in the Receiver are rated at 130w@8ohms, no real rating on 4ohms, maybe I need to get a whole new Receiver/Amp setup? any suggestions? Really right now everything runs great other than I loose some dialogue tracks in the center channel the way movies are being mixed recently.

these speakers are still the focal point of my setup as I haven't found any newer setups that offer as even sound with such quality at a price worth replacement.

I need to make sure I understand your issue. Is the auto calibration setting for the center similar to the Left and Right?
Also, have you swapped the center with either front speakers just to verify that it is not an issue with the speaker itself?

FYI, I have the same setup and love it too. I haven't exeperienced this issue. I don't have any experience with the Pioneer Elite AVR that you have, but I would think that at it's price point, it would be sufficient. I am using a Sony STR-DA5400ES that seems similar and it has plenty of power for the 750 series.
post #3314 of 3633
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Originally Posted by claydo View Post

I am running an almost 14 year old M&K THX 750 set, its been in storage for a few months but I am resetting it up in a new house in a few weeks. My current problem is after switching to a Pioneer VSX-92TXH. I seem to have lost some projection of the center channel and in most movie soundtracks the LR speakers way over power the center and I am loosing dialoge. going by most recomened setups and using the built in mic-based tuner. I still find the center lacking.

any setup recomendations for these speakers?
or should I look in to getting an amp just for the center?

The amps in the Receiver are rated at 130w@8ohms, no real rating on 4ohms, maybe I need to get a whole new Receiver/Amp setup? any suggestions? Really right now everything runs great other than I loose some dialogue tracks in the center channel the way movies are being mixed recently.

these speakers are still the focal point of my setup as I haven't found any newer setups that offer as even sound with such quality at a price worth replacement.

Your last statement is spot on. You will not find another system like this at this price point. But in order to realize your speakers' full potential, there are some pieces of equipment that should be purchased that alot of people aren't aware that they need. I'm not sure about your room because I'm not there obviously, but it sounds like you could use some acoustical treatments, and in particular, bass traps. That will help immediately with dialogue intelligibility. Some people just don't feel the need for room treatments, or can't afford it, or in my neighbor's case, the wife won't allow it. If you aren't able to get some treatments for your room, don't fret, because you can still get your system to sound great. The next step is getting an analog SPL meter from Radio Shack for $40 or so. I have never seen an autocal program, whether it's Audyssee or Pioneer's, that will set each channel up as accurately as an SPL meter along with your receiver/pre amp's built in test tone. Every company advertises this easy to use autocal program but it just doesn't beat the meter by a long shot. These systems will EQ your speakers according to your room dimensions and blah, blah, blah, but what is more important than EQ'ing 7.1 speakers, is level matching 7.1 speakers accurately. As a matter of fact, I would put the SPL meter ahead of room treatments. The next thing you should purchase is an external amplifier. M&K speakers are ineffecient and notoriously power hungry. I just purchased a 5 channel THX Ultra Certified Rotel power amp with 200 watts per channel @4ohms which is what your front 3 speakers are rated at. I paid $600 shipped. I got it from Audiogon. There are some really killer deals over there all day everyday. So, I guess in order of importance, I would go

1. SPL meter
2. Room treatments
3. Power Amp

The SPL meter is a must have for any home theater setup unless you've got one of those all in one deals from Best Buy or Bose crap. But obviously you have good taste or you wouldn't be posting on this thread. I really think if you want to hear what these speakers can do, you should look into the other 2 suggestions as well, but you can still get great sound and a big wow factor without those. Let us know what you wind up doing!
post #3315 of 3633
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Originally Posted by JVoth View Post

1. SPL meter
2. Room treatments
3. Power Amp


triumphrider74: the settings are similar, and I haven't replaced the swaped anything, but the center channel sounds clear and even if I get closer to it. Looking at more "modern" speaker setups you have HUGE center channels and the LR, are almost more like the rears and just used for staging/imaging. So it seems with they way newer movies are mixed and my speaker setup my center channel was getting lost.


I think JVoth hit a good point, I can't rely on the auto-setup, While it might be good to get going, I need to use a SPL meter and make sure everything text book. Also a power amp has been added to my want list.

The room I will be setting up in is a moddest "den" thats backs up to the garage, 17X14 with two windows, and open on one side to the kitchen. Not the best setup but I'll make it work. I think I could get away with some bass traps, I just need to make sure they look good. Hell this is my first house, I'll be the first to keep it from looking like crap. I did get lucky as it is the only room in the house with carpet.
post #3316 of 3633
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Originally Posted by claydo View Post

triumphrider74: the settings are similar, and I haven't replaced the swaped anything, but the center channel sounds clear and even if I get closer to it. Looking at more "modern" speaker setups you have HUGE center channels and the LR, are almost more like the rears and just used for staging/imaging. So it seems with they way newer movies are mixed and my speaker setup my center channel was getting lost.


I think JVoth hit a good point, I can't rely on the auto-setup, While it might be good to get going, I need to use a SPL meter and make sure everything text book. Also a power amp has been added to my want list.

The room I will be setting up in is a moddest "den" thats backs up to the garage, 17X14 with two windows, and open on one side to the kitchen. Not the best setup but I'll make it work. I think I could get away with some bass traps, I just need to make sure they look good. Hell this is my first house, I'll be the first to keep it from looking like crap. I did get lucky as it is the only room in the house with carpet.

It would be quick and easy to swap the center with either the left or right, just to make sure it's not an issue with the speaker itself. Also, consider the placement of the center. This can definitely affect it's efficiency. In my case, the auto-cal did a surprisingly good job. When checking with the SPL meter there were only minor tweaks.

FYI, there are some decent apps for testing SPL levels if you can't get to Radio Shack easily.

Let us know how it works out.
post #3317 of 3633
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Originally Posted by claydo View Post

triumphrider74: Looking at more "modern" speaker setups you have HUGE center channels and the LR, are almost more like the rears and just used for staging/imaging. So it seems with they way newer movies are mixed and my speaker setup my center channel was getting lost.

You're 750 system is every bit as modern as anyone else's Klipsch, Definitive Technology, or Monitor Audio or any other brand you can think of. Movies have always been mixed so that the center channel reproduces 70 to 80 percent of the movie soundtrack. It's not just the new stuff. Even the early DVD's like Twister and Pulp Fiction were mixed the same way that Transformers was. Obviously Transformers sounds better and has a more dynamic soundtrack but you get the idea. People with bigger rooms need bigger speakers. Your 750 system is more than plenty for your listening area. It may not seem like it right now, but once you get the proper equipment in use, you'll be more than happy.
post #3318 of 3633
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Originally Posted by JVoth View Post

You're 750 system is every bit as modern as anyone else's Klipsch, Definitive Technology, or Monitor Audio or any other brand you can think of. Movies have always been mixed so that the center channel reproduces 70 to 80 percent of the movie soundtrack. It's not just the new stuff. Even the early DVD's like Twister and Pulp Fiction were mixed the same way that Transformers was. Obviously Transformers sounds better and has a more dynamic soundtrack but you get the idea. People with bigger rooms need bigger speakers. Your 750 system is more than plenty for your listening area. It may not seem like it right now, but once you get the proper equipment in use, you'll be more than happy.

This is right on target. I wouldn't trade my 750 system for any "newer" stuff.
post #3319 of 3633
I am still searching for a lead to direct me where I can obtain a white pin/badge for the fabric speaker grills of my M&K Sound (MX-70) subwoofers. I am hoping someone in our thread can help me out... Thanks!
post #3320 of 3633
I think these are extremely hard to find these days. Your best bet would probably be to find a cheap grille or speaker with one on it on ebay. I've made a mental note and will let you know if I ever run across one. Good luck.
post #3321 of 3633
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Originally Posted by bricot View Post

Looking the back of my M&K S1C's and they are set up for bi-wiring. They have Bi-wire Woofer inputs and bi-wire tweeter inputs. It says you can "bi-wire with two amplifiers, you will also run two sets of speaker wires to each speaker, but there will be only one set of wires connected to each amiplifier channel. We recommend against trying this without guidance from your dealer or M&K factory. With two amps, it is critical that the toggle switch located between the terminals is set to BI-WIRE position or amp damage may occur.


Isn't this bi-amping? I was looking at the back of my Pioneer VSX-92TXH and it is set up to be able to bi-amp with the Surround back/B connectors (separate from the Surround connections). You could bi-wire as well, not sure what that really provides since you are connecting both wires to the same speaker output on the back of the reciever. Bi-amping would seem to drive each set of inputs off of a separate amp?


Is there significant benefit for either one of these vs. leaving it hooked up in normal single wire mode?
post #3322 of 3633
Thanks Triumphrider74. I appreciate your reply and assistance!
post #3323 of 3633
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Originally Posted by bricot View Post

Is there significant benefit for either one of these vs. leaving it hooked up in normal single wire mode?
Audioholics has an article on this subject and according to them, there is little to no difference in b-amping speakers. It seems like I remember them saying that you may get an increase by 1 to 2 db's in volume but nothing as far as some immaculate difference in sound quality. If I recall, they said bi-wiring speakers offers absolutely no difference as to a normal connection.
Edited by JVoth - 6/6/12 at 11:53am
post #3324 of 3633
I am selling a pair of M&K LCR 45's if anyone is interested. They are near mint condition. I have the original boxes, manuals, etc. They were used as back surrounds in my 7.2 setup. They sound and look great. Any questions, just let me know.
Thanks,
Jeff
post #3325 of 3633
Looking for a manual and any additional information on the M&K s100 speakers. These were the originals, not the S-100b. The back had two six-position knobs to adjust midrange and treble "character". They sound fantastic and are part of a complete system which includes the s-150THX center and two SS-150THX surrounds as well as an MX-90 sub. I recently paired them up with a new Marantz 6006 and can't get out of the house because i am watching movies all day long. (Yep- retired a while back). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Edited by roivett - 6/7/12 at 2:28pm
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Glad you're enjoying your new Marantz AVR with your vintage M&K Sound speaker setup, roivett. I purchased an SR7005 back on April 1st. I don't have any M&K loudspeakers in my 5.2 setup, but I am proud owner of two MX-70 subs I purchased in 1993. Your 6006 gets an occasional mention in another thread I follow: "The Official Marantz SR7005 Receiver Page!!" Hoping you find the manual you are seeking and best wishes!
post #3327 of 3633
Proud new owner of M&K LCR-750s (left, center, right) and a V-1250 subwoofer. Just hooked them up a few minutes ago and wow. The clarity is amazing over my infinity betas. Just wow.

For the sub, there are a few switches (thx mode, etc.). I have a denon avr-1910. How should I set up the sub before running audyssey?
post #3328 of 3633
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

How should I set up the sub before running audyssey?


The FAQ in the Official Audyssey Thread has the info you need... this link takes you to the correct section:

 

http://new.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51780#user_f3

post #3329 of 3633
I am looking for a budget speaker than can handle 4 ohm LCR-750s. I currently have a Denon AVR-1910 and haven't had any issues thus far, but I do want to be prepared and safe. In the end it might not be worth upgrading my receiver just yet considering I am in a 750 sq ft apartment and I don't push the volume level higher than -10.
Edited by jbrady3324 - 6/14/12 at 12:40pm
post #3330 of 3633
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I am looking for a budget speaker than can handle 4 ohm LCR-750s. I currently have a Denon AVR-1910 and haven't had any issues thus far, but I do want to be prepared and safe. In the end it might not be worth upgrading my receiver just yet considering I am in a 750 sq ft apartment and I don't push the volume level higher than -10.
Normally I get on here and tell people that no receiver will truly allow your M&K's to reach their true potential. For a 750 sq ft. apartment, I would say you should stick with what you have. I don't know what price range you are looking at either. But if you feel you must upgrade, then I will suggest the Marantz SR5005. You can get a b-stock unit at Accessories4less.com for around $500 or so. I am suggesting that particular model not because of a power upgrade, but because it has preouts. With preouts you can then buy yourself a separate amplifier later down the road. I will stick with the fact that these speakers were not meant to be powered by all-in-one receivers. They are power hungry and not exactly efficient. So that being said, I don't think in your situation with a smaller listening area, that a new receiver is going to give you better results as far as sound quality goes. An amplifier will, however. If you are worried about the 4 ohm rating, I ran my 750 system with a Yamaha receiver for several years before I discovered what separates can do, and I never had any issues at all.
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