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post #61 of 3041
I went to Circuit City during lunch and punched in those settings, and compared the Mitsu to the Sharp, Samsung, and Sony 1080P panels. They had the Sony 1080P demo feed going to all the panels. Colors are nice, BUT, I was disappointed in the detail. There were a number of scenic mountain and grass scenes that were showing, and I could make out individual blades of grass and the individual montain side trees from the Sony and the Sharp. Those same details were missing on the Mitsu.

I tried to like the Mitsu, but compared with the XBR2, its IMHO that the XBR2 has a better overall picture..."clouds" and all.
post #62 of 3041
The Mitsu rep came into my store again today and still felt the blues were a little much on Mitsu. We turned the blues down to 20, turned the color down to 28, and tuned the sharpness to 44.

Either way it's now turning into a science project. We didn't feel that the Sony was superior in detail though, we hey to each his own. I'm shocked that you liked the Sharp.



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Originally Posted by seattlite View Post

I went to Circuit City during lunch and punched in those settings, and compared the Mitsu to the Sharp, Samsung, and Sony 1080P panels. They had the Sony 1080P demo feed going to all the panels. Colors are nice, BUT, I was disappointed in the detail. There were a number of scenic mountain and grass scenes that were showing, and I could make out individual blades of grass and the individual montain side trees from the Sony and the Sharp. Those same details were missing on the Mitsu.

I tried to like the Mitsu, but compared with the XBR2, its IMHO that the XBR2 has a better overall picture..."clouds" and all.
post #63 of 3041
So, are there still no reviews of this TV on any website or in any magazine? It's been out for a little while now. I'm glad to see it getting reviewed well here, as I, too, gave up on Sony after returning 2 XBRs for bad clouding (too bad, they look great in the store!)

Also, it seems from reading here that there is very little, if any, overscan on this set over HDMI/DVI. How about component?
post #64 of 3041
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Originally Posted by paul_04072 View Post

The 46" has a 25% wider color spectrum than the 37" according to the mitsu web site.

Not only the different, wider spectrum backlight. But I believe I read that the panels themselves are sourced from different manufacturers as well.


ron
post #65 of 3041
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

The Mitsu rep came into my store again today and still felt the blues were a little much on Mitsu. We turned the blues down to 20, turned the color down to 28, and tuned the sharpness to 44.

Either way it's now turning into a science project. We didn't feel that the Sony was superior in detail though, we hey to each his own. I'm shocked that you liked the Sharp.

I didn't like the Sharp, but felt that the Sharp had more detail than the Mitsu. Mitsu had better colors and contrast than the Sharp.
post #66 of 3041
I tried the settings at home yesterday posted by lrstevens and they just aren't quite right yet. I'll try to get the settings from the store I bought my LT-46231 from and post. It was absolutely stunning. They even had the TV next to the Sony XBR2 and it topped the Sony in color, clarity, and even contrast. Here's to hoping I can make it to the store and they have the settings written down!
post #67 of 3041
seattlite, any chance you can go into more detail on your impressions?

Circuit City website just made a huge price drop on this set & I'm tempted as hell on pulling the trigger.
The lack of reviews, impressions & owners distrubs me to no end though. There has also been no information on the response time & contrast numbers as well, no other TV maker hides those numbers.
Very strange & unsettling

A TV that is supposed to be on par/better then the other top brands yet there is only 60 posts, while the Sharp & Sony XBR have 4,000+ posts each.
Even the sub-par Samsung 1080p model has a ton more posts then this one.

The JVC 1080p was praised to no end, but when I bought it, I noticed there was this weird ghosting that I never saw on any LCD before & the other owners in the 900 post thread never noticed it.

I returned so many TV's at Circuit City in the past year, I do NOT want to do so again as it is just plain out embarrassing.

Can any owner please post more?
Can anyone test it out with a AVIA or any calibration disk? how is the black levels compared to plasmas & the new Sharp LCD?
How is gaming on this set? ghosting noticeable or more pronounced then other sets?

the lip sync problem in the Circuit City review, has anyone tried to replicate that to confirm if it is indeed a problem?
post #68 of 3041
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

A TV that is supposed to be on par/better then the other top brands yet there is only 60 posts, while the Sharp & Sony XBR have 4,000+ posts each.

I too would like to hear more about this set, but the Sharp and Sony post tally has a lot to do with the QC problems these sets are having.
post #69 of 3041
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I returned so many TV's at Circuit City in the past year, I do NOT want to do so again as it is just plain out embarrassing.

Any hassels returning large TV's to CC? Do you get a full refund for any reason?

I'm tempted to buy a 4631 for my bedroom and run a cable card in it, but if the card fan runs 24/7 that would be a deal breaker.

Is anyone using a cable card yet?
post #70 of 3041
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Originally Posted by eric102 View Post

Any hassels returning large TV's to CC? Do you get a full refund for any reason?

no problems at all, they took my word on the defects & immediately gave my money back. It was easier & faster then at Costco!

That's the problem, I actually feel guilty on Circuit City's generosity, but of course YMMV

I re-read the thread & someone said this set has 1,200:1 contrast ratio?
that seems pretty low, can anyone confirm?
post #71 of 3041
looks like Frys online store is carring the 46231 and the 46131. I will head the store this weekend and take a look. The price is still a bit more than I want to pay and these sets are hard to find and compare to the sony and sharp.
post #72 of 3041
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Originally Posted by newone88 View Post

looks like Frys online store is carring the 46231 and the 46131. I will head the store this weekend and take a look. The price is still a bit more than I want to pay and these sets are hard to find and compare to the sony and sharp.


yeah Circuit City & Fry's are the only big name B&M stores that seem to be carrying it.
Good news is that both are selling it for a decent enough sales price right now.

While I'm at it I might as well ask now

-DOES the TV come with the stand ATTACHED already?
I will be carrying the TV out of the box & if the stand is attached that just adds an extra 15 lbs. very heavy

-Has anyone tried using component to get 1080p? Sharp claims that their set doesn't accept 1080p over component, but someone tried it & it worked!

-Does VGA to DVI cables work or just those little cheap DVI plug-in attachments to VGA cables?
or do you need a converter box for VGA to work with DVI?
post #73 of 3041
I like the LT-46231 as it supports 1080p via VGA and HDMI but has anyone purchased one to see if it can offer 1080p via component? I ask because I have an X360 I want to take advantage of. I'd purchase the Samsung if it wasn't for the overscan crap.
post #74 of 3041
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

no problems at all, they took my word on the defects & immediately gave my money back. It was easier & faster then at Costco!

That's the problem, I actually feel guilty on Circuit City's generosity, but of course YMMV

I re-read the thread & someone said this set has 1,200:1 contrast ratio?
that seems pretty low, can anyone confirm?

As to the contrast ratio it can be confusing. there are two ways to report it -static and dynamic. Most report the dynamic since it is a bigger (must be better) number.
Sony reports static for the bravia's as 1300 and dynamic of 7000.
The Mitsi 1200 is the static figure and would be a bit less than the Sony. Not sure if you can even tell the difference
I'm really torn whether to get one too. Projections are for LCD prices to go lower in 2007 on the big screens but how much and when is the question. BB has a 60 day price protection but CC is still only 30 AFIK
post #75 of 3041
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Originally Posted by newone88 View Post

looks like Frys online store is carring the 46231 and the 46131. I will head the store this weekend and take a look. The price is still a bit more than I want to pay and these sets are hard to find and compare to the sony and sharp.

I'm going to CC today to check it out. Price is still a bit more than I want to pay too. My magic number is $2600 before taxes. Sony had a deep discount over the Black Friday weekend. But the issue of the "clouds" kept me from buying, oh and that stupid glass halo. I would gladly have gotten a bravia V series but those are hard to find in the 46" size
post #76 of 3041
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

seattlite, any chance you can go into more detail on your impressions?

Circuit City website just made a huge price drop on this set & I'm tempted as hell on pulling the trigger.
The lack of reviews, impressions & owners distrubs me to no end though. There has also been no information on the response time & contrast numbers as well, no other TV maker hides those numbers.
Very strange & unsettling

A TV that is supposed to be on par/better then the other top brands yet there is only 60 posts, while the Sharp & Sony XBR have 4,000+ posts each.
Even the sub-par Samsung 1080p model has a ton more posts then this one.

Can any owner please post more?
Can anyone test it out with a AVIA or any calibration disk? how is the black levels compared to plasmas & the new Sharp LCD?
How is gaming on this set? ghosting noticeable or more pronounced then other sets?

the lip sync problem in the Circuit City review, has anyone tried to replicate that to confirm if it is indeed a problem?

I noticed the price drop yesterday also and am headed over today to CC to check it out.
I want to know the response time too. The sony has a relatively poor performance there and the blurring during sports programs has been noted. I would expect something under 6 before I buy. The best are reporting 4ms and it can only get better in 2007 as panels improve. Lack of reports is a problem but I understand this is newly available. also people usually get fired up and post when they have problems. The rest are watching their TV's. Another month should show more reports and with the sale probably even sooner.
I read the CC review that complained about the audio but I think he had it hooked up through some external processing amp to have that mch delay. It could have been a Dish problem to. I doubt it was the sets fault
post #77 of 3041
I went to CC in Nashua, NH last week and watched some football on the LT-46131 and out of all of the 1080p 46" LCDs I've stared at, this one seems to have the least amount of motion blur. Up until I saw this, I had given up hope of finding an LCD set without motion blur and I was fully in the plasma camp. Now with this price drop, I may flip back to LCD.

One thing that bothers me is that out of all the 46" LCDs, this one seems like a power hog, rated at 350 Watts. That's the same power usage as the Pioneer 5070HD plasma!

BTW, does the 46" model suffer the same 3-4 second lag when changing channels? I notice a lag on my SA 8300HD DVR when changing channels between 720p, 1080i and 480i. No lag when going channel to channel without a change in resolution. Is the Mitsu the same?
post #78 of 3041
robertkoors, can you post your new setting? I'm interesting on this set and hope that the calibration can top it over the Sony XBr3.
post #79 of 3041
Quote:
Originally Posted by WLSINWI View Post

As to the contrast ratio it can be confusing. there are two ways to report it -static and dynamic. Most report the dynamic since it is a bigger (must be better) number.
Sony reports static for the bravia's as 1300 and dynamic of 7000.
The Mitsi 1200 is the static figure and would be a bit less than the Sony. Not sure if you can even tell the difference

True, but this set doesn't even mention if it has a Dynamic contrast or not.
The big Dynamic contrast numbers are absolutely great for low quality SD content & really bright & light intensive scenes. As the black crush isn't affect as much & it adds a lot of color to them.
Besides the higher the contrast the better the deeper the black levels can get.

So anyone noticed anything in the menus to indicate a dynamic contrast option?


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Originally Posted by WLSINWI View Post

I noticed the price drop yesterday also and am headed over today to CC to check it out.
I want to know the response time too. The sony has a relatively poor performance there and the blurring during sports programs has been noted. I would expect something under 6 before I buy. The best are reporting 4ms and it can only get better in 2007 as panels improve.

Don't get your hopes too high on response time. I bought a Sharp 37" a few months back because it was the first big screen LCD to have a 6ms response time compared to the average of 8ms. When I got home with it, the difference between 6ms & 8ms was insignificant.
Even the new Sharp's with 4ms, a lot of people are not seeing a big difference if one at all.

I'm just hoping it's not because Mitsu might have a higher response rate then the others & doesn't want to tell anyone.
post #80 of 3041
this is from the 37" but it should apply to the 46" as well

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Originally Posted by icedout297
I went out to CC the other day and bought the Microsoft VGA cable and a random brand VGA / DVI adapter. This was before I read in the manual that the LT37131 doesn't accept 1080p through DVI-A. I hooked everything up and all seemed to be fine. I turned the 360 to 1920x1080 and an image was still being displayed on the Mitsubishi TV. I don't know if this means that it worked or if the TV wasn't actually displaying the 1080 resolution. Is there a way I can find out what resolution the TV is displaying? I couldn't really do it by "eye" because for one, on a 37" TV there is minimal difference between 720p/1080i/1080p and for two, I had component adjusted perfectly to my eyes, while VGA was all washed out and unadjusted etc.
This would be awesome if I was actually displaying 1080p... It looked great for the little bit I played with it.

Now about the HDMI thing... Yeah I assume it will be coming out shortly because of the HD-DVD player. I also tried the HD-DVD player over component and it looks GORGEOUS. The jungle scenes of King Kong look absolutely astonishing on the LT37131. Btw, this TV will not accept 1080p via component, I've already tried.

so MAYBE 1080p over VGA to DVI & no 1080p over component confirmed.

someone also posted a bad review from wired.com:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/g.../20061107.html
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"There are few things I'd kill for, but the LT-37132 might be one of them. CableCard, IEEE 1394, and DVI-I connections were equally compatible with the unit, and I was even able to convert 1080i signals to 1080p without the result looking like it was filmed in 8 mm. The LCD comes with a motorized swivel -- an excellent parlor trick for entertaining friends. But my urge to kill started to rise when I plugged in my Xbox 360. Faster games like Call of Duty 3 produced more visual distortion than a night of binge drinking. And the LCD's muddled performance on darker games like Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent made it difficult to discern Sam Fisher from fishy opponents. This LCD may have an edge as far as peripheral connectivity is concerned, but its lackluster gaming performance will leave you sitting with your rifle in the wind."

that is not consistent with the reviews from the owners thread though.
post #81 of 3041
bad news/good news
some more test were made & this is what the new mits got:

Make____Model____Type ____Deinterlace____3:2____Bandwidth
Mitsubishi____LT37131 37″____LCD____Pass____Fail ____Some
Mitsubishi____LT46131 46″____LCD____Pass____Fail ____Some
post #82 of 3041
who did the test?
post #83 of 3041
Anyone know where I can find this TV in Canada?
post #84 of 3041
Recently got an LT 46231 Mitsu LCD TV.

Had Time Warner come out with a SA PKM600 PowerKEY CableCARD.

The tech attempted to install it, went thru 5 different ones with no luck. No channels above 118 are accessible once they authorize it, meaning nothing more then basic, NO HD, NO Digital Tiers, etc...

Spent 2 hours here trying to figure it out before he gave up.

Anyone else have this problem and have any suggestions?

If it matters this is Time Warner West San Fernando Valley in California.
post #85 of 3041
The tests were run at hdguru.com. They explain each of the tests in further detail on the site. I don't know what to make from the data other than the fact that most tvs didn't not pass with flying colors... I don't know how these tests translate into real world performance....


Make Model Type Deinterlace 3:2 Bandwidth
Mitsubishi LT37131 37″ LCD Pass Fail Some
Mitsubishi LT46131 46″ LCD Pass Fail Some
Mitsubishi WD457 57″ DLP Pass Fail Some
Olevia 227V 27″ LCD Fail Fail NA 720p
Panasonic TH65PX600U 65″ Plasma Pass Pass Some
Samsung 4676S 46″ DLP Fail Fail NA 720p
Samsung LNS4695D 46″ LCD Fail Fail Some
Sharp LC42D62U 42″ LCD Pass Fail Some
Sharp LC46D62 46″ LCD Pass Fail Some
Sony KDL32S2010 32″ LCD Fail Pass NA 768p
Sony KDL40V2500 40″ LCD Fail Fail Some
Sylvania 6637LCT 37″ LCD Fail Fail NA 768p
Sylvania 842THG 42″ Plasma Fail Fail NA 768p
Visio P50HDTV10A 50″ Plasma Pass Pass NA 768p


And just to add, I came across a great deal on the LT46231 the other day and pulled the triger. I should be receiving the set sometime next week . I would've bought the cheaper Sharp, but banding issues scared me off. I can't wait to get my hands on this set.
post #86 of 3041
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

bad news/good news
some more test were made & this is what the new mits got:

Make____Model____Type ____Deinterlace____3:2____Bandwidth
Mitsubishi____LT37131 37″____LCD____Pass____Fail ____Some
Mitsubishi____LT46131 46″____LCD____Pass____Fail ____Some


This is actually very good news. Few LCDs (about 50% of the NEWEST generation) properly deinterlace 1080i signals. This is the most important test, and is why I will not buy a Sony v2500 or Samsung 95d/96d. If an LCD can properly deinterlace, you effectively have 1080p TV channels right now from 1080i sources (about half the HDTV channels).
post #87 of 3041
vcferos, I will post in the next few days. I haven't gotten a chance to get them from my store yet. I've got a "good" picture now, but will have an outstanding one soon.
post #88 of 3041
I just picked up a 46131 tonight from Circuit City. I looked for a long time at the Sharp, Samsung, and Sony 1080p sets next to it and I really couldn't see much of a difference. Considering the price I got for the Mitsubishi and the various gripes I've heard about the Sharps (banding), Samsungs (overscan), and Sonys (clouding), I'm pretty happy. It looks great in my living room so far.

The one gripe I have is that the set is making a loud hissing/squealing noise that seems to correlate with the brightness of the screen. It is pretty bad...first thing the wife noticed and keeps pointing it out...

Should I be hearing any noises from the set? I've never had a big LCD TV before, but I've had plenty of smaller LCD monitors, all of which are perfectly quiet. So I'm concerned. I think it is quieter now than it was an hour or so ago when I first powered it up, but it is still really annoying...
post #89 of 3041
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Originally Posted by eja View Post

set is making a loud hissing/squealing noise

For the love of god, can someone make an LCD without an issue!!!
post #90 of 3041
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Originally Posted by eja View Post


Should I be hearing any noises from the set? I've never had a big LCD TV before, but I've had plenty of smaller LCD monitors, all of which are perfectly quiet. So I'm concerned. I think it is quieter now than it was an hour or so ago when I first powered it up, but it is still really annoying...


depends, lot of TV's have noise from them, some just louder then others

i.e. my JVC 46" LCD does hum when I'm close to it, but sitting far away I can't hear it at all.
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