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post #211 of 548
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Originally Posted by cal87 View Post

I have this combo, and it sounds fine to me. The guys at Orb suggested that you should not trust the auto-setup feature. I don't have the testing equipment to verify.


Which Orb setup are you using, a full home theater setup or just stereo?

I'm also wondering how or if the XR700 can do base management when receiving input from the analog connections. I have high end sound cards in my home theater PCs with high fidelity analog ouput that I'd like to connect to this receiver.
post #212 of 548
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Originally Posted by SlackerX View Post

Which Orb setup are you using, a full home theater setup or just stereo?

I have a 5.1 all Mod2 setup.
post #213 of 548
I don't see it as a bad review....this review was taken from an Australian website Smarthouse who gave it 3.5 out of 5. If you are after a receiver that the Mrs. can use and doesn't need a 500page manual to work, then this receiver does the job. It also small and has a great clear sound. Personally, i don't see a HDMI upscaling feature or OSD that important.....simple HDMI pass through is good enough. The receiver got rated lower for these reasons and the fact it doesn't have all the additional bells and whistles other receivers have.
post #214 of 548
How does the sound of this digital amplifier compare to the offerings of Yamaha in the $500 range? Use will be about 70% HT and 30% music. Thanks!
post #215 of 548
Good question. I use this receiver usually for CD's - i listen to classical music so clarity of sound is what i look for in an amp, not bass response. Obviously i use it for DVD's....as the review says, the bass response is tight and very dry. I recommend you try the receiver out for yourself - see if its what you want.

Something to note, the new line of receivers with HDMI 1.3 inputs have been announced by both onyo, denon, and sony. Maybe you should look into those receivers which would seem to be more 'future proof' than this receiver. BTW, i am no audiofile - i really don't know the difference between HDMI 1.3 or 1.2 etc.
post #216 of 548
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Originally Posted by John P Carroll View Post

Did you ever get a response to this question?

All - just finding this thread tonight - glad y'all are here. I've got a panny plasma and the panny BD player, and would like to use the 700 as my AVR. But ONLY if I can connect my Scientific Atlanta 8300HD TSB/DVR as the "second" HDMI input to the 700.

PS - SAY...I just noticed the 700 is not listed (for purchase...) on the panny site !
What's up with this? Do they still make and sell this one?

A1:
No, I never received an answer. So I just bought it anyway believing that it would work properly and it does!

A2:
Panasonic's site is so out of date it isn't even funny.
post #217 of 548
Can someone please recomend a good subwoofer to use with this receiver? I'm looking for something with mid-range performance/price. Thank you in advance.
post #218 of 548
I'm running a 4.1 setup without a center channel. When the XR700 receives an HDMI PCM 5.1 or 7.1 signal can it redirect the center channel signal to the front speakers? I tried before with a JVC HDMI receiver and it did not do so or mention it in the manual. Also does this have a fan that continuously runs?
post #219 of 548
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Originally Posted by dutch17vt View Post

Can someone please recomend a good subwoofer to use with this receiver? I'm looking for something with mid-range performance/price. Thank you in advance.


Any active subwoofer will work, which one to choose depends only on your taste. I use a Klipsch KSW-10 and it sound good but not great. I am thinking of building myself one. But maybe you should listen to a few and make up for yourself what you think is important to your taste. If you like an boomy bass or maybe a tight dry base, you should then look for some woofers who's known for that perticulairy sound...

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Originally Posted by razel View Post

I'm running a 4.1 setup without a center channel. When the XR700 receives an HDMI PCM 5.1 or 7.1 signal can it redirect the center channel signal to the front speakers? I tried before with a JVC HDMI receiver and it did not do so or mention it in the manual. Also does this have a fan that continuously runs?

Yes it will redirect the center channel to the fronts, jsut setup the receiver to have no center speaker. And no, there is not a fan so it sertenly not running continuously.
post #220 of 548
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Originally Posted by Ejorne View Post

Yes it will redirect the center channel to the fronts, jsut setup the receiver to have no center speaker. And no, there is not a fan so it sertenly not running continuously.

Wow, thanks for the quick reply, I think the XR700 is the perfect receiver that will finally replace my aging, beloved current 6 year old Yamaha. I'm joining this club!
post #221 of 548
I'm using the optional Panasonic wireless unit with this system, and am hearing excessive "hissing" from the two rear surround speakers. Is there an adjustment that will remedy this somewhat? I used the auto speaker setup initially.

Thanks
post #222 of 548
Can't help you with that one. The XR700 that i picked up, here in Australia, doesn't seem to have that feature were you are able to hook up those wireless speakers.
post #223 of 548
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Originally Posted by dutch17vt View Post

I'm using the optional Panasonic wireless unit with this system, and am hearing excessive "hissing" from the two rear surround speakers. Is there an adjustment that will remedy this somewhat? I used the auto speaker setup initially.

Thanks

What kind of wireless transport is beeing used for this system? I know that most (of the somewhat cheap) wireless headphones also has a irritating hiss. Maybe it is the same hiss produced by the radiofrequentie or something?
post #224 of 548
I am considering purchasing this receiver next week. It will be powering five Dynaudio 4ohm speakers. Anyone with problems with 4ohm speakers? Also, I am assuming there are no PS3 compatibility problems since this receiver is advertised as a bluray receiver? PS3 and cable box will be my only sources. I really can't wait to hear uncompressed multichannel lpcm. TIA.
post #225 of 548
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Originally Posted by Neoguri View Post

I am considering purchasing this receiver next week. It will be powering five Dynaudio 4ohm speakers. Anyone with problems with 4ohm speakers? Also, I am assuming there are no PS3 compatibility problems since this receiver is advertised as a bluray receiver? PS3 and cable box will be my only sources. I really can't wait to hear uncompressed multichannel lpcm. TIA.

The XR700 load impedance is 6 to 8 ohms. (Page 52 of the Owner's Manual.) I'm not sure how that relates to 4 ohm speakers.

Dana
post #226 of 548
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Originally Posted by Neoguri View Post

I am considering purchasing this receiver next week. It will be powering five Dynaudio 4ohm speakers. Anyone with problems with 4ohm speakers? Also, I am assuming there are no PS3 compatibility problems since this receiver is advertised as a bluray receiver? PS3 and cable box will be my only sources. I really can't wait to hear uncompressed multichannel lpcm. TIA.

Dynaudio speakers' impedence not only dip low but also are not very efficient 86db or less. I am afraid that the Panny might find it difficult to drive these (with their low power and no-feedback design). Please buy from a place where you can return them after some experimentation with little financial loss.
post #227 of 548
OUT OF THE BOX: Just upgraded for features from my beloved Yamaha HTR-5460 to the XR700. Looking to find the right receiver (PCM HDMI, PCM center channel redirect, HDMI passthrough when off, no fan). Taking it out of the box, it's so lightweight you can hold it with one hand, making feel so cheap, however I knew it is a digital amp which doesn't need such massive heatsinks. Still this amp is incredibly lightweight reminicent of the cheap all-in-one sub $100 HTIBs.

SETUP & 1ST IMPRESSIONS: Regardless, hooked it up 4.1, ran the auto setup, which got distances and levels right. I further tweaked the setting myself and immediately played upsampled CD at 176.4k from a PS3 on optical out to directly compare with my Yamaha. It was running triple amp mode to mains and I already hear an improvement of treble detail, but lacking any mid range.

This is the difference I often hear between analog and digital amps. The most analog sounding digital amp I heard was a 2006 JVC mid level digital amp which sounded like my traditional Yamaha. I also have tried an analog 2001 NAD HT receiver and preferred it's beefy full sound. I also have listened to two mid and high end Alpine car audio amplifers. One analog one digital. In all cases I appreciate the detail from the digital amps, but prefer the sound of traditional amps.

The XR700 sounded so sterlie and has so much treble detail and extension it sounded like I had little to no mid-range. I even doubled checked my bass settings. I am unsure if 1) I used to the sound from my analog Yamaha and prefer it. 2) XR700 is revealing just how digital, digital sources really are. 3) XR700 needs a break-in. Again I still prefer the analog sound and surprizingly the JVC digital amp.

USABILITY: There is no on-screen display. It doesn't provide much detail on digital inputs. Remote is usable, not learning and feels cheap. It runs cool. Has HDMI passthrough when off and has no fans.

4 HOUR verdict: I'm glad I bought this on sale. It's an improvement of detail and I certainly can hear the slightest difference of sound between single-amp and triple-amp. However, the sound is something I have to get used to.

Will return after a week or two for an updated comprehensive review with more diverse source material like Blu-ray PCM over HDMI.
post #228 of 548
Nice report.
If you have the possibility you might try to use it with biamplification. I
found the overall sound to be much better and you can change the balance
between high and low.
I used one with a pair of B&W 704 and HD-E1 HD-DVD player.
Thierry
post #229 of 548
SoftwireEngineer - IIRC, dynaudio's maintain a rather stable impedance which supposedly makes it easier on receivers/amps? I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff. I only go by what I read on this forum. I am currently running four dynaudio's with my Marantz sr4500 which I'm pretty sure is not rated for 4ohm usage either. I have no problems with getting it louder than I can stand. I am not sure what you mean about no-feedback design, but I thought that these Panny receivers were rather powerful? I do appreciate your advice and will consider purchasing it somewhere that I can return it easily.
post #230 of 548
Well, I had mainly the XR55 or 57 in my mind when I mentioned this. I am told the XR700 sounds a little bit more powerful. It is quite possible the Panny might be able to handle the Dyns. But it is my impression (based on extensive reading forums like audioasylum.comm, soundstage.com, 6moons.com) that Dynaudio speakers need very powerful amplification. Also, not sure whether they are biampable, if yes, biamplification will surely add some more benefits.
With my high-efficiency speakers biamped with my XR55 I am very happy. I also use balanced power conditioners, powercords and a modified Squeezebox to feed its digital input. I feel the Panny's are a real audiophile bargain, if matched up well with speakers. I am some people are using it with very high-efficiency horn speakers (costing kilobucks) and elaborate audiophile setups.


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Originally Posted by Neoguri View Post

SoftwireEngineer - IIRC, dynaudio's maintain a rather stable impedance which supposedly makes it easier on receivers/amps? I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff. I only go by what I read on this forum. I am currently running four dynaudio's with my Marantz sr4500 which I'm pretty sure is not rated for 4ohm usage either. I have no problems with getting it louder than I can stand. I am not sure what you mean about no-feedback design, but I thought that these Panny receivers were rather powerful? I do appreciate your advice and will consider purchasing it somewhere that I can return it easily.
post #231 of 548
My friend has also this sa-xr700 and connected two pair of Jamo BX200 in serial.

Those Jamo speakers:
sensitivity of 89db 1w/1m
8 ohm
90W IEC power
250W music power
350W max power.

So each front channel (left and right) has a load of approx. 16 Ohm.

The sa-xr700 handles it well. It can play loud without distortion. Also on low volume level it sounds rich and powefull. (but, he actually put down the bass-setting on the receiver to minus 4 because the bass was sometimes a bit to heavy. But that's what the old Jamo speakers are known off...)

I also have this sa-xr700 and i have connected a set of Klipsch F3 Bi-wired. My receiver has much lesser load to handle. Those F3's are very sensitive at 95dB and are also bi-amped... This sounds also very good.

So i think this sa-xr can easaly drive the most speakers...
post #232 of 548
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Originally Posted by SoftwireEngineer View Post

Well, I had mainly the XR55 or 57 in my mind when I mentioned this. I am told the XR700 sounds a little bit more powerful. It is quite possible the Panny might be able to handle the Dyns. But it is my impression (based on extensive reading forums like audioasylum.comm, soundstage.com, 6moons.com) that Dynaudio speakers need very powerful amplification. Also, not sure whether they are biampable, if yes, biamplification will surely add some more benefits.
With my high-efficiency speakers biamped with my XR55 I am very happy. I also use balanced power conditioners, powercords and a modified Squeezebox to feed its digital input. I feel the Panny's are a real audiophile bargain, if matched up well with speakers. I am some people are using it with very high-efficiency horn speakers (costing kilobucks) and elaborate audiophile setups.

Dynaudio's are not biampable. I do have the lowest line of Dynaudio's (Audience 42's) which I believe do not need nearly as much power as it's higher priced brethren. I am going to give it a shot this week. Will report back with results.
post #233 of 548
Update after living with the XR700 one week and using it extensively but casually as I normally would listening to tons of music watching TV and movies.

I did get used to the very digital sound and the wonderful treble extension. That extension psycho-de-emphased the mid-range for me. It isn't missing it. Mid range was always there, I just was paying more attention to treble I didn't hear before.

Or perhaps it's the XR700 revealing the nature of my speakers or my speakers revealing the nature of the XR700 or the XR700 and my speakers are just a combination produces that sound. Regardless it's VERY, VERY detailed and is characteristic of that digtal amp crispiness.

Unfortunately it's going back. It doesn't support >96k 5.1 or 7.1 PCM over HDMI and to get the same loudness as before, the volume has to be at -10db, despite running dual amp mode to the mains in my 4.1 setup. I spent money and expect a worthwhile upgrade which unfortunately isn't true in my case.

This isn't to say the XR700 is bad or just ok. I do recommend it. It's HDMI passthrough when off and having no FANS is something ALL receivers SHOULD have. It's just not worth the cost of 'upgrading' my previous amplifier. Here's to hoping for a better XR707. I'd like to see more digital inputs and a learning remote. See you guys in the XR707 thread.
post #234 of 548
Hello,
I have one with a pair of B&W 704 for about a month now and I still don't know
wheter I like it or hate it.
The trebble is obvioulsy plenty there, it sound clean, very clean ... maybe too much.
Old setup was a HK Signature 2.0 and eAR ICEPOWER based amplifier.
Thierry
post #235 of 548
any news on when the xr707 will be coming out?
post #236 of 548
I just picked up an xr700 , had an xr57 . ( 57 had no PCM bass management )

love the sound - somehow it just sounds better than the 57 , (? )

however,
everytime , a different audio signal is transmitted
) ex. Dolby Pro Logic on DVD menus then Dolby Digital for the movie )
the xr700 makes very loud clicking noises -
so, at the start of each DVD I get up to 3 clicks as it switches between formats ( I had an older Yamaha that did this , by the way )

is this normal for the xr700 ??
or do i have a defect ?
post #237 of 548
That's normal.
Depending of your configuration (dual amp etc) it switch amplifiers from stereo to
multichannel.
In a DVD menu sound is often PCM stereo and then dolby digital so it changes several
times.
Thierry
post #238 of 548
My xr55 does it too, though not my xr45, most annoying when watching hdtv and the commercials are in two channel (then again it is an audio alert the the commercials have ended, even when i have them on mute.

Someone mentioned an xr707 - don't know if this was a joke, given the total lack of innovation in the digital receiver space I would suspect it was, but if someone has heard something, please spill the beans.

Frankly, I'd prefer a true xr45 successor (all the quality, less bells and whistles than the 70/700) but I'd just like a sign that digital receivers weren't thrown into some kind of marketing dead end, as I cannot go back to analog after having gotten so used to the uncolored, pure sound of digital.
post #239 of 548
IIRC there was a pic of the XR707 at CES (search this forum)

hmm Germany must love the XR series, they are up to a XR59 with 2xHDMI in
post #240 of 548
"I cannot go back to analog after having gotten so used to the uncolored, pure sound of digital."


I agree-

I sold my Harman Kardon , bought an xr57 , thought i wanted HK back so i bought another one , then i missed the Panasonic digital flavor , returned the HK and xr57 and bought the xr700 - its been a busy week for sure

just curious , anyone using Aperion brand speakers - I just ordered some as I'm in the process of selling my Klipsch - how do they rate with the digital receivers ?
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