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post #61 of 548
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Originally Posted by shamus1099 View Post

Dana, Im still a little confused on this. Wouldnt you still have to tell the player what you want it to decode???? (for example: DD+, you cant send that bitstream as the the receiver cant decode or even pass it with this HDMI. Now if its switched to PCM, the player would decode it and pass it via HDMI. And regarding standard DVD DTS/DD I would think you would want it set to bitstream so the receiver can decode it and extract 6.1/7.1. I believe the player can only decode 5.1) Maybe Im not understanding this... could you give us a quick lesson?

Your questions are helpful. Think of it this way. These high-dev players must deal with audio - if they are fully enabled - in the same way they deal with video. They have to decode it all (!) - and then convert it for transport to the 1.1 or better HDMI-enabled AVR as multi-channel linear PCM. In the case of the BD10, it can also convert the LPCM stream with onboard 192kHz/24bit D/A converters for each of its eight analog outputs and pass line level signals to the XR700 eight analog inputs. The AVR then distributes and amplifies the signals, and manages the speaker setup. No decoding needed as long as it can read incoming LPCM or the line level analog incoming signals in the alternative. The XR700 can do both.

To accommodate legacy AVRs, the BD10 can - and other full-featured high-def optical players may - also extract a 5.1 Dolby Digital bitstream for transport via S/PDIF optical or coax digital audio connection for decoding by the receiver. Dolby Labs say the audio quality with this connection could actually be higher than current standard DVD audio players can achieve depending on the source material.

Panasonic is committed to enabling the BD10 player to decode DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD. Dolby Labs indicate that in the future Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus may be transmitted in bitstream to future AVRs for decoding. That's where HDMI 1.3 comes in. And, by the way, that will be possible only if the high-def disc permits it.

All of this is explained much more completely in Dolby Labs paper "Ensuring Compatibility Between Next-Generation High-Definition Disc Players and Your A/V System" here http://www.dolby.com/consumer/techno...HD_avrs_1.html

Dana
post #62 of 548
Thanks Dana. Another question for you.... Do you think this receiver will have any problems driving my L/C/R which are 4ohm??? Surrounds are 8ohm. They will be crossed over at 80. My Yamaha I have now doesnt seem to have a problem and its 100 watts a channel also. Sorry but Im not really familiar with these Digital Receivers. Thanks again.
post #63 of 548
Dana, would it be too much to ask for a pic of the rear end of the XR700?
post #64 of 548
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Originally Posted by SiriuslyCold View Post

Dana, would it be too much to ask for a pic of the rear end of the XR700?

Panasonic has posted a rear view here http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/b...mainparts.html

Dana
post #65 of 548
ah thanks
post #66 of 548
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Originally Posted by shamus1099 View Post

Thanks Dana. Another question for you.... Do you think this receiver will have any problems driving my L/C/R which are 4ohm??? Surrounds are 8ohm. They will be crossed over at 80. My Yamaha I have now doesnt seem to have a problem and its 100 watts a channel also. Sorry but Im not really familiar with these Digital Receivers. Thanks again.

I really don't know. The XR700 specs refer to 6-8 ohm speakers as does the manual.

Dana
post #67 of 548
I was just informed of this thread. Here my was original post before:


"I just bought a Samsung HL-S5687W 1080p TV. I also got myself a PS3. Right now I am using the PS3's HDMI to connect to the TV. I was previously using my computer speakers( Inspire P7800 ). I know these aren't the greatest speakers, but they aren't too bad. Since I've had the new setup, there is no way to connect my speakers and have the 7.1 surround sound work. I also want to have the completly optimcal experience from the PS3. My TV accepts TRUE 1080p in, so that is great. The sound is what I need now.

So, WriteSimply informed me that I will need some type of receiver to take the HDMI from the PS3 and then do a bunch of needed things with my speakers(cut the ends, etc.) and hook it up to the receiver in order to make it work. I was looking at the Panasonic XR-57 i believe it's called... But I was informed that this particular model does NOT keep the 1080p video signal when being sent back to the TV. Therefore, I have been looking at this particular model-- the XR700.

For me, is this the best idea? I know my speakers may blow, but if used carefully, will this be the optimal sound experience that I can get? This receiver has DTS, TrueHD, HDMI 1.3, 7.1 surround, 1080p out.. right? Will this greatly improve sound quality? Will it do anything for my video quality? Will it do anything negative? It's hard trying to absorb all this information, but this seems like the best path for me.

Any information or help is greatly appreciated. I've spent alot of money so far, and this will be another big purchase... and it's hard to decide when I know so little. "

After reading through this thread, I am even more confused. It seemed to be understanded that this reciever does not support HDMI 1.3? I don't want to lose quality coming from the PS3.

Also a general question, someone asked if this receiver has Room EQ.. the answer was no. Does that mean you can't manually set the volume for each speaker? I sit very close to my back speakers and don't want them to be too loud.

I am simply looking for the best setup I can get with my PS3. I believe I have the optimal TV for it, but I am not as knowledged in sound processing. So hopefully someone can aid me in making a good decision. Any help is greatly apprecaited it.

Thanks so much.

Edit-- I understand that this receiver does NOT have HDMI 1.3. From what I've heard, there are none available right now. PS3 has HDMI 1.3, and like I said I don't want to miss out on anything. Any advice is appreciated.
post #68 of 548
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Originally Posted by WeApOn View Post

I understand that this receiver does NOT have HDMI 1.3. From what I've heard, there are none available right now. PS3 has HDMI 1.3, and like I said I don't want to miss out on anything. Any advice is appreciated.

If it were me w/ that equipment and on a budget, I would use the unit you have, pull out the front three speakers, put my cash in getting good front speakers (using the amp in the unit itself as a stopgap), then later upgrade to the receiver that has the HDMI support you want (and strip out the rear speakers in the set and use those with the new receiver for a while), then after that upgrade the rears to the appropriate speakers.
post #69 of 548
Mainly I want my surround sound to work. If the speakers are not sufficient, I will worry about that later. I was told there is no way to get these speakers to work in surround without a receiver.
post #70 of 548
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

I really don't know enough about what the PlayStation 3 outputs for HMDI audio to answer the question fully. Does it decode Dolby Digital Plus into eight channel LPCM? What we do know is that the PS 3 does not decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio so if you want these features of Blu-ray discs in the future, you will need a receiver that has HDMI 1.3 to receive these streams from the PS 3 and decode them. None exists at present.

To keep this discussion on track - it's about the XR700 - the Blu-ray player and the receiver are in partnership. What the player doesn't do, the receiver has to do to produce the ultimate Blu-ray video-audio experience. The PS 3 is not a full-featured Blu-ray disc player - understandably so - so the receiver with which it is mated will have to do more things than the XR700 does. That may be true across the board - we may see an entirely new generation of HDMI 1.3 equipped receivers in the future that will perform more functions than the current generation.

Dana

Dana,
The PS3 does infact decode Dolby TRUE HD, it's marked right on the box as a decoder.
So I would imagine it would pair well with this Panny....

More info on PS3 decoder...here.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd...sc-players.html

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Getting back to our trio of Blu-ray Disc players, my personal favorite was the PlayStation 3. This machine's picture and sound quality were nothing short of stunning, and its HDMI 1.3 connection and built-in Dolby TrueHD decoding give it a layer of future-proofing that the other players currently lack. I also appreciated its multichannel Super Audio CD playback and 60-GB hard disk for storing compressed music files. And even though I don't have much use for the PS3's gaming capabilities, I definitely got a kick out of Resistance: Fall of Man. The PS3's $600 price several hundred less than the others also goes a long way toward making it the Blu-ray Disc player of choice.
post #71 of 548
It is really seeming like a good receiver... Anyone besides Dana pick up one yet???? Impressions, good or bad?
post #72 of 548
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Originally Posted by jedi.night View Post

Dana,
The PS3 does infact decode Dolby TRUE HD, it's marked right on the box as a decoder.
So I would imagine it would pair well with this Panny....

More info on PS3 decoder...here.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd...sc-players.html

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Getting back to our trio of Blu-ray Disc players, my personal favorite was the PlayStation 3. This machine's picture and sound quality were nothing short of stunning, and its HDMI 1.3 connection and built-in Dolby TrueHD decoding give it a layer of future-proofing that the other players currently lack. I also appreciated its multichannel Super Audio CD playback and 60-GB hard disk for storing compressed music files. And even though I don't have much use for the PS3's gaming capabilities, I definitely got a kick out of Resistance: Fall of Man. The PS3's $600 price several hundred less than the others also goes a long way toward making it the Blu-ray Disc player of choice.

Thanks. Yes, I noticed that review late last night. Strange that other reviewers missed it. That apparently leaves DTS-HD Master Audio as the codec it will have to send by bitstream to a future AVR for decoding.

Dana
post #73 of 548
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

Thanks. Yes, I noticed that review late last night. Strange that other reviewers missed it. That apparently leaves DTS-HD Master Audio as the codec it will have to send by bitstream to a future AVR for decoding.

Dana


I believe sony said that they would release a software update in the future for
the PS3 to decode DTS-HD and any other newer audio codecs.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on them to do it though...


This might have been asked already, can't remember and all of the different AVR threads are running together on me, but does this Panny pass HD component through the HDMI outs? In other words, if I was to directly hook up my Xbox360 to the panny via component cables, would it pass the HD signal through the HDMI?
Therefore eliminating one more connection for me to the tV?
post #74 of 548
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Originally Posted by jedi.night View Post

...

This might have been asked already, can't remember and all of the different AVR threads are running together on me, but does this Panny pass HD component through the HDMI outs? In other words, if I was to directly hook up my Xbox360 to the panny via component cables, would it pass the HD signal through the HDMI?
Therefore eliminating one more connection for me to the tV?

No, it won't transcode the HD signal. The XR700 Manul says in a note on page 14 "The input video signal can be sent out through an output terminal of the same type only."

Dana
post #75 of 548
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

No, it won't transcode the HD signal. The XR700 Manul says in a note on page 14 "The input video signal can be sent out through an output terminal of the same type only."

Dana

That actually isn't a deal breaker, since it it also has a component out.
Plus color managment throught the TV would be better on each input rather than adjusting only 1 HDMI for everthing connected to the TV.


So it is also confimed that the Panny does infact handle BASS (LFE) correctly with
LPCM input through HDMI. meaning it doesn't have a 10 db drop like the Yamaha's?
post #76 of 548
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

It does not. Page 16 of the Manual says " The input video signal can be sent out through an output terminal of the same type only."

Dana

Wow that sucks, Deal breaker for me.
post #77 of 548
Panny XR700 results:

This was tested with the Panny BD player via HDMI and I can only assume it would also work with the PS3.
Tips for setting up the Panny BD player....
-Sound set to multi
-All speakers set to large and 0 on delay
-Dolby set to bitstream
-Dolby+ set to PCM
-DTS set to bitstream
-HDMI audio to ON

Bass management CAN be controlled while playing PCM (I can change speaker level on the fly and noticed different bass output when I set speakers from small to large).

You CAN NOT use IIX, EX or ES processing over any multi channel PCM. This includes PCM tracks on BD discs and Dolby/DTS standard DVD tracks that were decoded by the player. (if you send the bitstream from Dolby/DTS you can then process it into a 6.1/7.1 setup).

It DOES NOT appear to suffer the dreaded -10 PCM bug. (I set all speakers to large so I would only get LFE from the sub and switched back between Dolby and PCM. They appeared to be equal. Untill we have some sort of test disc I cant guarantee).

I dont want to comment too much on the sound. I just recently got the Panny BD player so already sound was different(improved greatly) from what I was used to. I havent had it long enough playing through my old receiver(an old mid level Yamaha) to see what is different now. I also have no frame of reference for a "high end" receiver. I can say highs are very crisp(it will take some getting used to but Ive heard this about Digital amps) and bass is deep and tight. Dialog is almost to clean where it sometimes shows flaws in the editing. My front 3 speakers are 4ohms and it appears to be driving them pretty good(crossed over at 80) although I havent watched an entire movie yet.

Im a little dissapointed over not being able to process IIx over 5.1 PCM. Although manual does say it will accept up to 8 channels of PCM... I guess I will have to wait for 7.1 PCM!!! Speaker level trims were limited to 1dec increments instead of .5. Auto setup with Mic was somewhat accurate(It got crossovers right and levels were pretty close, but it set all my front speakers to large... they only go down to about 45) This auto setup is good for average Joes, but nothing beats AVIA with a SPL meter.

All in all Im pretty happy!!!

Couple questions for you guys about it.
-page 22 of Panny BD player. "BD-video function sound" option. Says only when this is set to off along with PCM down conversion will sound be output higher than 48khz. This option seems to turn on and off the sounds that you get on a menu screen while switching settings. Why would this have any effect on PCM down conversion?????

-page 33 of Panny receiver. "Dual program" option. Says allows you to switch dual audio signals in Dolby Digital and DTS formats. Choices: Main, Sub or Both... factory setting- main.

Thanks!
post #78 of 548
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Originally Posted by shamus1099 View Post

Panny XR700 results:

This was tested with the Panny BD player via HDMI...
Tips for setting up the Panny BD player....
-Sound set to multi
-All speakers set to large and 0 on delay
-Dolby set to bitstream
-Dolby+ set to PCM
-DTS set to bitstream
-HDMI audio to ON

...

Nice job!

I'm wondering what effect it has if "the Average Joe" sets the speakers (page 22 of the BD10 Manual) to "Multi-channel" (in order to get multi-channel HDMI) but does nothing with speaker settings on the BD10 because he never intends to use the BD10 to directly connect to speakers.

I understand that the speaker settings you made are intended to neutralize any influence the BD10 might have on the multi-stream being sent over HDMI. But, it appears that the default speaker settings are cranked down to zip so would have no effect on the multi-channel stream. (dB = 0.0; ms = 0.0 etc.) Were speakers set to any size before you adjusted them?

I'm thinking that "Average Joes" across America may be using the multi-stream setting but aren't bothering with any speaker settings (page 23 of the BD10 manual) because they aren't hooking up speakers to the BD10. In that case, is the BD10 multi-channel output compromised in some way?

In any event, it seems that the advice on page 22 of the BD10 manual --

"Speaker
"You can set the unit to output the best possible sound for your
speakers. Select 2 Channel if the speaker settings can be
set on the connected equipment."

is just dead wrong as it defeats the capability of the BD10 to send multi-stream LPCM over HDMI - as I found out! What were they thinking?

Weird.

Dana
post #79 of 548
Its never easy reading these manuals...
post #80 of 548
Can this player take a 7.1 multi-channel pcm over hdmi and fold the two surround backs to one for a 6.1 setup? I searched the manual but could not find an answer. Thanks
post #81 of 548
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Originally Posted by grendyl View Post

Can this player take a 7.1 multi-channel pcm over hdmi and fold the two surround backs to one for a 6.1 setup? I searched the manual but could not find an answer. Thanks

When setting it up, you have the option to choose 1 rear speaker or 2. I have no idea if the engineers thought this far ahead to be able to combine PCM into one rear channel. In my case Im curious with the upcoming movie "The Descent". It is rumored to be 6.1 PCM. Will that rear signal be split for my 7.1 setup? I guess we will find out soon enough.
post #82 of 548
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Originally Posted by shamus1099 View Post

Just found this thread!!! Got a question. I just got this receiver(still waiting for it) and I have the Panny BD player. My question is, when sending 5.1 pcm from a BD disc over HDMI, will the DolbyIIx process it to 7.1 in a 7.1 setup????

Also, what settings are you using on the BD player? Im assuming your sending DTS and DOLBY to the receiver via bitstream???

Hi, seems there is disagreement on this point. drbonbi replied earlier to this saying yes but you indicate that this doesnt work? Can you confirm either way? Thanks
post #83 of 548
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Originally Posted by efjay View Post

Hi, seems there is disagreement on this point. drbonbi replied earlier to this saying yes but you indicate that this doesnt work? Can you confirm either way? Thanks

We figured out he had a setting wrong in his BD player.... You can not add IIx to a 5.1 PCM signal.
post #84 of 548
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Originally Posted by shamus1099 View Post

We figured out he had a setting wrong in his BD player.... You can not add IIx to a 5.1 PCM signal.

Thanks, after reading up on the Dolby site that is a function I would rather it did have. So looks like i'll be skipping this receiver.
post #85 of 548
Any other owners of this???? After spending some time with this I must say I like It. Its driving RBH 661SER for the front speakers and they're 4 ohms. The clarity of this thing is amazing but with the downside of possibly being too bright(In defense though, my speakers have been called "bright" before). As I pointed out earlier, my only real problem is not applying IIX processing to 5.1PCM.(this would only affect people using a 6.1/7.1 setup).
Panasonic, if your listening....
-Lose the tuner and XM radio(If I want this I will buy a seperate player.)
-I need more power(120watts or better!)
-Room correction(can you say Audessy?)
-Dual Sub outs(I want stereo subs!)
-Prcocessing for multi PCM(This is suppose to be a receiver for BD players and you dont offer this?)
-Speaker level increments of .5 not 1.
-Level setting for LFE(not just sub.)
-Pre/pro outs(For those who dont like digital amps, they would gladly use this as a pre/pro.)
-More HDMI inputs(3 or more.... 2 is not enough.)
-More crossover frequeny cutoffs(80 is not low enough... add 2 more choices of 60 and 40.)
-Choice to label my own inputs(I want the option to name my own... not just use the small selection you offer.)
-HDMI upconverting.
-HDMI 1.3 and ability to decode DTS-HD and Dolby TruHD.

Of course I just described the perfect receiver... the only one I know that has most of these options is the $5000 Denon. Make this for under $2000 and you got a winner!
post #86 of 548
Do you think the XR700 could power a pair of Maggie MMG's w/ a sub crossed over at 80? Would trying to add an 8ohm center to the mix be a deal breaker?
post #87 of 548
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Originally Posted by Dermott View Post

Do you think the XR700 could power a pair of Maggie MMG's w/ a sub crossed over at 80? Would trying to add an 8ohm center to the mix be a deal breaker?

Not sure... like I said, mines 4ohms(and also crossed over at 80) and Im cranking it with no problem. There is also a neat little option on this thing. When not using any back speakers or just listening to 2 channel, it takes the unused amps and applys it to the front L/R speakers. And if you are never going to use a 7.1 setup, you can also Bi-amp your fronts.
post #88 of 548
Hi people, new here I bought this receiver a few weeks ago and i am having a problem with the setup.

Here is how i have it connected.

Video: Windows Vista PC via 12' Phillips PXT1000 DVI to HDMI cable to receiver "dvd hdmi port" then a 4"Belkin PureAV HDMI cable to my Westinghouse 37" LVM37W3 LCD.

Audio: 6' Philips PXT Fiber Optic Cable from PC to Optical 1 on the receiver.

I can't get audio out at the same time as the video this way...... When i switch from DVD to DVR on the receiver i can get sound but the video is on the DVD port and optical is on 1... Does anyone have a clue as to why this is?
post #89 of 548
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Originally Posted by DAFTEK View Post

Hi people, new here I bought this receiver a few weeks ago and i am having a problem with the setup.

Here is how i have it connected.

Video: Windows Vista PC via 12' Phillips PXT1000 DVI to HDMI cable to receiver "dvd hdmi port" then a 4"Belkin PureAV HDMI cable to my Westinghouse 37" LVM37W3 LCD.

Audio: 6' Philips PXT Fiber Optic Cable from PC to Optical 1 on the receiver.

I can't get audio out at the same time as the video this way...... When i switch from DVD to DVR on the receiver i can get sound but the video is on the DVD port and optical is on 1... Does anyone have a clue as to why this is?

I ran into the same thing. The XR700 is expecting audio on the HDMI connection if you're using it for video. Note the comment on the bottom of page 7 of the manual:

" The audio signal transmitted through HDMI takes priority when you use both HDMI and digital terminals (-> pages 14 to 17) for connection."

I connected my DVI output directly to my TV. Then the digital audio connection works great!

Dana
post #90 of 548
Yeah, i notice that, i also had to make my connection this way.... But now if i get a blueray dvd my pc would have to go back to DVI. It would be nice to have pc in hdmi and dvd in hmdi but pc audio threw optical
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