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post #61 of 892
a couple of questions;

1) i like the punchy DLP picture but also the film like look of the Ruby and Pearl along with their better black levels and color satuation. from an overall PQ perspective, would a Crystalio II with a Ruby or Pearl get me best of both designs better than a Marantz 11S1? the approx cost will be in the same ballpark for either the Pearl/Ruby--Crystalio II.....or......the Marantz VP-11S1 (i have a Marantz S3 now and don't see rainbows).

will the combo give me most of the 'sharp picture' of the DLP with the benefits of the SXRD? will the combo improve the supposed 'dullness' of either Sony?

my room is painted a dark brown and the projector would be mounted approx 12' from the (110"--120" diag HP) screen with very good to almost total light control.

2) i'm interested in the 2:35-1 Constant Height Image direction. will the Crystalio II give me any advantages to impliment that direction when used with a Ruby or Pearl? i don't understand the requirements of this issue to figure it out for myself.

sorry if these questions are a bit OT but i could not find an appropriate place to ask them.
post #62 of 892
Startup time for my 3300 is ~15 seconds with the latest firmware.
post #63 of 892
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So is mine. Right at 15 seconds which in my opinion is not bad at all.
post #64 of 892
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Mike L, As I stated in my review the crystalio II allows me to have that punchy look with my SXRD ruby. I can make the picture razor sharp. I really do feel like I am watching a DLP pj at times. Especially when I am watching sports in HD! The helmets, the grass the team colors are all rendered with great detail. I am loving those cheerleader close-ups!
post #65 of 892
Mike,
No processor will give you the advantages of each projection technology and put it all in the one of your choice. A Ruby will never be as sharp as the Marantz.

Art
post #66 of 892
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No, but it can make it damn close...
post #67 of 892
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

No, but it can make it damn close...

At without any rainbows!
post #68 of 892
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Exactly. I loved my DLP pjs (mainly Optoma H79) but my wife suffered (severely) from RBE. I even took her to an eye doc. She could barely make it thru one movie it was so bad. So I was sad when I took down the Optoma and decided to try a ruby. You know, the ruby has been great (since May) and I have been happy. My wife has been extremely happy even scheduling her own girlfriend movie nights! Now, after adding a crystalio II it is bringing back that DLP look. Now I am not by any means saying it completely changes your pj but I am saying it adds a "kick" to the picture. The same kind you get from a DLP. Seeing is believing!
post #69 of 892
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Tyrg, the crystalio II would be a great addition to any home theater set up. Go for it!


I'm very close to pulling the trigger on one of these.

Mike Lavigne go me interested
post #70 of 892
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Originally Posted by mike lavigne View Post

a couple of questions;
sorry if these questions are a bit OT but i could not find an appropriate place to ask them.

The 2.35 constant height forum is a good resource ...but I too am looking for user reports on this scaler and constant height users.
post #71 of 892
all

Not rich like you guys who all own Ruby's and not planning to jump into 1080p this year, anyone see value of upgrading to Crystalio II for me ? I already have a Crystalio I which has been doing fine for me. But Faroudja hazedness on high def is starting to get to me a bit ... hope to hear from someone using just a 720p lcd projector

thanks !
post #72 of 892
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I personally would not. The crystalio II really shines doing 1080i to 1080p. You can get very good results with VP20, VP30 or a Lumagen HDQ (for doing 720p) and save some funds which you can use in the future for a 1080p pj. The HDQ atleast will do 1080i deinterlacing for when you are ready. Also it does great 1080i to 720p conversion... For the money and a 720p pj it would be my first pick...
post #73 of 892
When will they fix it though and provide proper 1080p24sf output????
post #74 of 892
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I personally would not. The crystalio II really shines doing 1080i to 1080p. You can get very good results with VP20, VP30 or a Lumagen HDQ (for doing 720p) and save some funds which you can use in the future for a 1080p pj. The HDQ atleast will do 1080i deinterlacing for when you are ready. Also it does great 1080i to 720p conversion... For the money and a 720p pj it would be my first pick...

Actually, I don't think that's true.
Sure they will do a good job of upscaling to 720, but converting 1080i to 720p is a different kettle of fish. I run a CRT projector at 720 and 768p and find Crystalio II to be a fine improvement over C1 in all regards. Here in the UK, our major sources of broadcast HD are all 1080i so I think this is an important factor.
Having said that - I realise that CII is a lot of money. In the end I wasn't ready to jump to 1080 displays yet, not because of funds but because I want to see the 2nd generation machines - CII has given me a nice improvement in the meantime.
post #75 of 892
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I know what the CII is capable of but if we are being practical then I would get a CII after I got a 1080p display. It does do a great job with cross conversion to 720p but for the money the other VPs I suggested do very good as well. Did you not read the review of the Lumagen HDQ in WSR? Grg even says it does a great job doing it. I thought it did a great job with my Optoma H79. If you can get a HDQ for 1500 why not instead of pay 4500 for a CII? I have had all these newer VPs and have played with them both on my ruby and my 720p Optoma. So actually I know it is true...
post #76 of 892
I absolutely agree with the value statement - my intention wasn't to try and pursuade someone to pay for a VP ahead of getting a good display.

However, I did want to point out that 1080i to 720p is HD deinterlacing whichever way you look at it - and it's just as important that it's done correctly as 1080i-p
i.e. you are going to see distracting artifacts if it's done poorly.

But as you say - the balancing of money throughout the system is definitely important.
post #77 of 892
FWIW, until this past saturday, my CII was driving a 720p projector (though with 768 lines native) and an older 720p LCD panel (also with 768 lines).

The CII did wonders for all sources, SD and HD alike, when scaling for these two output devices.

I now have a 52" 1080p LCD panel at the front of the room. I think the performance gains the CII brings are about equal in both cases - I have a larger LCD now than previously, but it's smaller than the projectors image. At the same viewing distance, I still prefer the 720p projected image over the LCD - at 10 to 15 feet, you'd be hard pushed to say the projector had fewer pixels (though once I have enough pennies, I will be aiming for a 1080p projector, of course).

(FWIW, the room is not light controlled, ergo the LCD is the daytime viewing device).

Chris,
post #78 of 892
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Exactly. I do agree with you on the importance of 1080i to 720p. It's just that in his post he stated "rich guys like you" so I figured being more cost effectve was his goal. That is the reason why I suggested the other route. Trust me, I know what the CII is capable of. It can be the backbone in anyone's set up. But for a 720p display there are alternative routes that can be done which are more cost effective.
post #79 of 892
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Originally Posted by Tryg View Post

The 2.35 constant height forum is a good resource ...but I too am looking for user reports on this scaler and constant height users.

Tryg,

please let me know when you get this figured out as it looks like the way to go for me. i rarely watch any 4:3 or SD programing in my HT anyway and might as well get all the lines of resolution i deserve.

i see a Pearl, Crystalio II, high power screen, and 2:35-1 lens in my very near future.
post #80 of 892
thanks to all for the feedback to my questions; the Crystalio II with a Pearl looks like the way to go for me. this will allow me to justify upgrading the Pearl next year when the 'Diamond' or other next gen DLP 3-chip 1080p machines are out......as the Pearl should not depreciate much in total dollars.

and i want very good 1080p right now.

if i go the Marantz VP-11S1 route the penalty of upgrading will be prohibitive. i don't see any of the current reasonably priced (under $20k) FP to be my long-term solution. my expectation is that a year from now there will be many fewer compromises in under $20k FP's.

also, the Crystalio II will allow me to avoid upgrading my Lexicon MC-12 to HDMI switching (or another like processor that would do that)......which alone almost pays for it.
post #81 of 892
I bought the Lumagen for my Ruby and think I probably should have have got the Crystalio II instead. Hopefully AVS will let me exchange it.

The only thing that gives me pause is this thread over on the pixelmagic support forums:

HDMI <-> HDMI audio drop outs

The vp50 has similarly reported audio issues as well. People speak highly of the Crystalio II here, but how many are using it for HDMI audio switching?
post #82 of 892
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Originally Posted by rabident View Post

I bought the Lumagen for my Ruby and think I probably should have have got the Crystalio II instead. Hopefully AVS will let me exchange it.

The only thing that gives me pause is this thread over on the pixelmagic support forums:

HDMI <-> HDMI audio drop outs

The vp50 has similarly reported audio issues as well. People speak highly of the Crystalio II here, but how many are using it for HDMI audio switching?

HDMI appears to be a mess for EVERYONE. I think it speaks well of PMS that when they couldn't reproduce the bug, they inserted code into the firmware to gather more information on what is happening in an effort to understand the problem and fix it. I don't know of any cases where DVDO or Calibre did something similar to gather more information to make a serious effort to fix a user problem!
post #83 of 892
All,
I own a VP50. I'm feeding the VP50 with sat signals via a Humax box. The box has 3 res. 1080i, 720p, 576p (all via HDMI or COMP) if I'm using the lowest for non HDTV channels so 576p for 576i signals the signal to my 1080p pio (5000EX) is not so good. This is because the VP50 can not (yet) do a prep from the p signals.

If I switch to 1080i the signal becames better. Although not to bad I hardly notice any difference with or without the VP50.

DVD PQ is OK but again without the VP50 not much (hardley no) difference. Same for gameplay via PS and XBOX. Res out from VP50 always on 1080P BTW (screen set to Dot by Dot) everything connected via HDMI or COMP.

Could the CII do a better job for the signals ?
Perhaps i can switch from the VP50 to the CII.
Hope for some helpfull comments on this.
post #84 of 892
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I have done many comparisons both with resolutions and sources. In short the answer is yes, the CII will do a better job. That is the reason I picked it over the VP50. My xbox 360 looks too good!
post #85 of 892
What would a CII do for me? Pany 50"8uk plasma, DirecTv H10-250.
post #86 of 892
I went to the Crystalio II forum and there seems to be a lot of operational issues with this product (hanging up, not switching consistantly between input, having to re-boot, etc). Are these just a few customers having problems or is this product not quite ready for prime time?
post #87 of 892
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It would obviously make your set up more flexible with all the options a CII offers. Not to mention it would provide the best picture Q for your Panny. I have a HD TIVo (10-250) as well and have not mentioned yet how nice the CII makes the guide look. Logos look very sharp. The guide is the cleanest I have ever seen it! I never realized there were blue then teal colors in the guide. That is another way I could SEE a difference between VPs. The DirecTV guides on both the HD TIVO (10-250) and the HR20 HD DVR are very sharp and colorful...
post #88 of 892
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audioguy, I noticed that there are a few members over there (PMS forum) that are having compatibilty issues with their equipment. I use a wide variety of components and still have not had a single issue. On Saturday I ran the CII for 12 hours straight. On Sunday it went for another 10 hours. It has not overheated, audio dropped, or signal dropped once. Many of the issues being talked about over there are from the same consumers. I am not saying you would without a doubt not experience an issue (especially since HDMI can be so unpredictable) but I would say the later manufactured units are definitely running more efficient...
post #89 of 892
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I have done many comparisons both with resolutions and sources. In short the answer is yes, the CII will do a better job. That is the reason I picked it over the VP50. My xbox 360 looks too good!


Ok thanks for your response. So the CII also does (re)processing of p-resolutions?
post #90 of 892
It doesn't have that DVDO feature if that's what you mean - i.e. the ability to pull apart a badly deinterlaced image.
But it can accept properly progressive inputs (e.g. 1080p, 1080sf24, etc) over the HDMI inputs.
It can also accept progressive PC inputs over DVI-HDMI too - which is useful.
This is something that the last generation of VPs couldn't do.
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